YouTube Claims GTA IV Sirens Are Infringing on Jazz Song

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YouTube Claims GTA IV Sirens Are Infringing on Jazz Song

Ever listen to the song "St. Thomas" while cruising around Liberty City? Remember how it sounded exactly like being chased by a horde of police cars? No?

Well, here's a new one for the whole YouTube content ID debacle. According to the video hosting service, if you post a clip containing the police sirens from GTA IV, you're actually guilty of copyright infringement against the jazz group Sonny Rollins Quartet. YouTube user Taltigolt, in talking with Kotaku earlier this week, reported that a video he posted of him going on a police chase through Liberty City was flagged for containing the Sonny Rollins song "St. Thomas" at the 6:32 mark. Problem is, if you go to that part in the video, which can be seen here, all you hear is the wailing of police sirens. And no matter what your thoughts on jazz might be, that's definitely no Sonny Rollins song. Taltigolt provided a screencap to Kotaku of the content ID claim against him, which can be seen at right.

GTA IV fans might remember that "St. Thomas" is actually a song on the game's jazz station, but the fact remains it doesn't show up anywhere in Taltigolt's video. Taltigolt did admit to Kotaku that he acknowledged the copyright claim to YouTube without first checking his video to verify the allegation. It's been a rough week for YouTube users, as the company's recently revamped content policies have seen them cracking down on numerous videos. Some artists have even found themselves accused of stealing their own material. Earlier today, one game developer even founded the non-profit WhoLetsPlay to give content creators the knowledge to avoid and fight infringement claims.

Source: Kotaku

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Youtube.
Fix.
This.
Shit.
Like really police sirens cause this to happen, there isn't an excuse for how terrible this system is.

And let's not forget: Youtube == Google

So much for not being evil...

I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened more often, to be frank.

Can't we just switch to MyVideo? It's basically YouTube without bots but porn.

Yeah you tube claimed a song I made myself belonged to someone else as well, it's bullshit

Regarding the content-scouring robot system:

Yes, no need to point out the irony of using a Youtube video to criticize Youtube, thanks.

This is hilarious - and not in a good way

I wish that google/youtube would make a statement regarding this, because this is beyond ridiculous!

Everything is proceeding as intended over at YouTube. Business as usual, carry on please.

webkilla:
This is hilarious - and not in a good way

I wish that google/youtube would make a statement regarding this, because this is beyond ridiculous!

They actually have, and pretty much their word on all of this was "tough shit, deal with it. It's not like you'll go anywhere else, because we have a monopoly."
Which sadly is true. There are many other video hosting sites, but none are near the size of YouTube. Twitch is the closest right now, and until something changes and YouTube gets an actual competitor then we'll be screwed because in Google's mind, why should they care about fixing things? They have a monopoly over pretty much the entire internet, and don't have to change anything no matter how f*cked up it gets.

Surprised a video me and my friends made hasn't been hit by this

Like seriously? Police Sirens? Next up, dogs woofing gets hit because of who let the dogs out -.-

Keep digging that grave YouTube. Just keep digging...

I know this is obviously terrible for all the content creators, but I can't help but get some satisfaction at seeing YouTube fuck itself up more every day.

I'm hoping with all my might that a suitable replacement will come up and finally give YouTube a little competition.

Everytime Youtube is in the media lately:

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Fucking seriously? Fix this fucking shit already, it's broken to hell. God damn..

Neronium:

webkilla:
This is hilarious - and not in a good way

I wish that google/youtube would make a statement regarding this, because this is beyond ridiculous!

They actually have, and pretty much their word on all of this was "tough shit, deal with it. It's not like you'll go anywhere else, because we have a monopoly."
Which sadly is true. There are many other video hosting sites, but none are near the size of YouTube. Twitch is the closest right now, and until something changes and YouTube gets an actual competitor then we'll be screwed because in Google's mind, why should they care about fixing things? They have a monopoly over pretty much the entire internet, and don't have to change anything no matter how f*cked up it gets.

For now. Their monopoly stands... for now.

Captcha: Foreboding.

I think we need to have a daylong boycott or mass email on Youtube. Google may or may not have become the uncaring big boss like Microsoft and other overly large corps. But they better listen unless viewers and uploaders start migrating to other sites. I already know of a couple reviewers that only post short videos linking their reviews (of 10 years old or more movies no less!) to other services like Vimeo or Blip. Youtube will not stay high and mighty if they keep this up. Their competitors will find more revenue to slowly increase their bandwidth to support Youtube's former market share as Youtube hemorrhages more users.

Neronium:

webkilla:
This is hilarious - and not in a good way

I wish that google/youtube would make a statement regarding this, because this is beyond ridiculous!

They actually have, and pretty much their word on all of this was "tough shit, deal with it. It's not like you'll go anywhere else, because we have a monopoly."
Which sadly is true. There are many other video hosting sites, but none are near the size of YouTube. Twitch is the closest right now, and until something changes and YouTube gets an actual competitor then we'll be screwed because in Google's mind, why should they care about fixing things? They have a monopoly over pretty much the entire internet, and don't have to change anything no matter how f*cked up it gets.

Ok - I'm honestly a tad surprised at that...

I guess I'll have to wait untill someone dishes out the dosh for a lawyer (or maybe even if one of the game publisher like EA got involed) and sues for some kind of... I dunno - misuse of the DMCA? I mean, its clear that in a lot of these cases there is NO legal grounds for pulling these copyright strikes.

You'd think it should be illegal to wrongfully censor things?

Heck, I'd be mildy amused but also reasonably pleased if some US prosecuter sent a stern letter or something to Google/Youtube saying "Do copyright correctly, or... something something - probably fines" I dunno - but I find it grotesque that someone as big as google, as big as youtube, are allowed to seemingly knowingly incorrectly apply copyright.

Ok, one thing is that people can upload copyrighted material to youtube - their previous system, before this tightening of the algorythms, seemed quite good at swatting those if an owner found it and then cried foul. (or if trolls wanted to spam the report system to shut down vids they dont like)

But this... this seems excessive - and as Moviebob pointed out, then its hurting one of the biggest segments of traffic generators that youtube has these days, the lets players (I base this mainly on pewdiepie being the most sub'd channel...)

So it just doesn't make sense. Youtube/google's priorite should be to enable content makers to generate views so google can sell ads - adhering to copyright laws is a secondary priority that, I'm guessing, to them is more annoying than useful, since it prevents a lot of content that'd otherwise generate a lot of traffic for their ads.

What I want to see is someone lighting an effigy in front of YouTube's offices in protest of just how horribly they're handling everything. After calling news stations so they can get word out of what's going on.

People won't move away from a monopoly fast enough. Not enough people REALLY know about it. The general public will continue using it. The only way to stop them at this point is through horrible press through the mass media.

Neronium:

webkilla:
This is hilarious - and not in a good way

I wish that google/youtube would make a statement regarding this, because this is beyond ridiculous!

They actually have, and pretty much their word on all of this was "tough shit, deal with it. It's not like you'll go anywhere else, because we have a monopoly."
Which sadly is true. There are many other video hosting sites, but none are near the size of YouTube. Twitch is the closest right now, and until something changes and YouTube gets an actual competitor then we'll be screwed because in Google's mind, why should they care about fixing things? They have a monopoly over pretty much the entire internet, and don't have to change anything no matter how f*cked up it gets.

Yes, I seem to recall them saying something about muting the music to prevent music copyright claims. Oh, right... looks like even that won't protect you XD

i still say this is google trying to get ready to comply with the new trans pacific partnership agreement thats due to come in soon.

either way dont complain too loudly about google. they own a military robot division now and know where you live..

I shut down my youtube account back when WMG went ballistic on every youtube video around. I'm glad I never went back.

Emails in tha' place where I liiiive!

Dear Strongbad,

Can you copyright police sirens because they happen to sound like music?

Yours,
FalloutJack

Whoa. You like, wanna be careful there, man, fallin out of things all the time.

Anyway, Flapjack, the thing is that you can totally make music from sirens, but you can't make sirens from music. We tried that once around here and all it caused was like...a dance party.

Not to say that dance parties are uncool, but it kinda' defeated the purpose of the siren. Anyway, you can't claim sirens are music if nobody's tried to MAKE THEM so, so it's kinda' dumb when the lawyers come out and the one making the claim comes off as made of stupid.

Good, more pressure on youtube.
They deserve everything they get right now.

Hairless Mammoth:
Google may or may not have become the uncaring big boss like Microsoft and other overly large corps...

They are now definitely worse. Remember what happened when Google+ failed to catch on? They shoved it down everyone's throat through YouTube anyway.

They have turned into this monstrosity that don't care about customer feedback and steamrolls through everything because they can. At least MS removed the DRM on the XBOne.

Next time, they'll flag videos with Stephen Hawking for copyright infringement against Daft Punk..

ok this is beyond a joke at this point, how long does everyone think this will last? there has to be some sort of backlash coming, I mean one slightly more effective than a stick figure with a tank in the comments

Hairless Mammoth:
I think we need to have a daylong boycott or mass email on Youtube.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Your own suggestion contains the very reason it won't work. Only a day? How about not using it in the first place?

Callate:
Yes, no need to point out the irony of using a Youtube video to criticize Youtube, thanks

Yeah, I think I do need to point out the irony of that, especially in light of that protest video against Google+, also posted YouTube. Are people really this stupid?

Raiyan 1.0:
They are now definitely worse. Remember what happened when Google+ failed to catch on? They shoved it down everyone's throat through YouTube anyway.

The most hilarious part of the video is where she sings "we just want our website back." Sorry missy, it was never your website in the first place, Google owns it outright. I'm not sure what makes people think they have any stake in this.

They made the net wide to avoid people who speed the song up by 1% and avoid the detection bot, they made it so wide the sirens are turning into songs now. All we need now is to autotune the bot and we will be doomed.

Also its utimately ironic how many people here are angry at youtube and keeps advertising it by posting videos from it. If you really didnt like youtube - you wouldnt be doing this. In fact what you would be doing is linking to other video hosting sites.

Aardvaarkman:

The most hilarious part of the video is where she sings "we just want our website back." Sorry missy, it was never your website in the first place, Google owns it outright. I'm not sure what makes people think they have any stake in this.

That is the problem of culture clashing with ownership. Once a thing becomes ingraned in culture it starts belonging to that culture, even if technical ownership is still somewhere else. This technical ownership on things like Mickey Mouse has caused A LOT of trouble, including the latest, worst edition of copyright law.

Aardvaarkman:
Yeah, I think I do need to point out the irony of that, especially in light of that protest video against Google+, also posted YouTube. Are people really this stupid?

So what exactly do you think you're saying?

Because you disagree with part of a company's policies in one area, you're obligated to forsake using anything else that company provides in communications about that disagreement?

Even if that tool the company provides might be the most effective means of communicating with other people who might disagree with that policy? Even when it's the most obvious way of communicating with other people who are inherently likely to be affected by that policy?

You might be able to make a case for hypocritical, or futile. But that would involve actually making a case. "Stupid", aside from being inaccurate, is the kind of word that's likely to get you reported to the moderators.

I threw out a pithy twelve second Youtube video in response to the unfolding situation on Youtube, and stated that I was aware of the irony of using a Youtube video in criticizing Youtube. The way in which you've chosen to harp on that suggests less that you're harboring a superior and high-minded view of the situation than that you haven't really thought your position through but wanted to dish out some ill-considered scorn.

Or to put it another way: No, people really aren't "this stupid", because you haven't made any real case for anyone else's stupidity.

Looks like youtube's new content ID system is giving everyone a case of the blues. And then copyrighting the blues.

Edit: Actually, I think I have the perfect metaphor for this. And ironically, it didn't trip the sensors.

Bwahahahaha! Imagine someone shoots something funny with his cellphone and in the background someone wants to know what this or that song is called and hums it into shazam.
Cellphone mic picks it up and later the resulting video gets flagged.
Yeah, just avoid *any* pop culture and find something else to occupy your time.
I know, there's not much else which we all can enjoy then popular culture.
But imagine if we found something...

Captcha: i can fix it...
well, captcha will save us all, apparently...

Aardvaarkman:

Yeah, I think I do need to point out the irony of that, especially in light of that protest video against Google+, also posted YouTube. Are people really this stupid?

Well first off. Why post protests on what Google is doing with Youtube on Youtube?

Because the people who care about +Youtube most likely are Youtube users? Because the people who understands how the policies and changes affects us are the ones using Youtube? Using an iPhone 5S (or whatever the newest one is called) to rant about Apple and how they suck is stupid since there are lots of other ways to address the users and the company alike. Youtube users are on Youtube, using any other video service than Youtube means you'll likely miss the opportunity to address your target audience. Did you honestly think it through before calling this stupid?

Now if we are to go into the ridiculous comparisons here. If you don't like an upcoming bill that your government is proposing should you be protesting it within your own country or move before you're allowed to protest it? Why keep paying taxes and use your country's services if you disagree with a new law? It's clearly stupid!

Zachary Amaranth:
I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened more often, to be frank.

Basically this.

Just like Youtube's automatic captioning, which has been hit-and-miss for quite a while now.
Anything that Youtube tries to automate will always result in problems.

I can now die with full knowledge that I'm not missing out on something good.

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