"Conversations" Are Happening About Dredd Sequel, Says Karl Urban

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Smilomaniac:
...I did not expect these reactions.

Are we talking about the same Dredd..? The shopping mall mega building where all violence is kept PG13 and the story is basically about bullet-time pills and a junkie drug lord?

I had to go watch the Stallone version afterwards to ease the pain.

Yup, that's the one. Except it was rated R because of the violence, not PG13, so I've no clue where you got that from. To each his own, but this incarnation of Dredd beat the pants off of most action flicks released in the last decade and a half. It's unfortunate more people only came to like it after it had bombed.

OT: As for the release of a sequel, I don't know that I'm game. Obviously, I loved it and I really don't mind saying its one of my very favorite action flicks, but do we need to create a sequel to everything that's good? I'd give it a good chance of course, but are we not more often disappointed by such sequels than entertained? It seems we tend to rage against crappy sequels and wish they'd never happened, but when anything good ever comes out, we demand a sequel. Dredd's story was tight, giving us just exactly what we needed to see of Mega City 1 and a slice of daily life of its inhabitants. I can't help but be pessimistic and think that a sequel would screw that up.

As a 2000AD reader, I can assure you Dredd correctly shows the hell hole that is Dredd's world and what it takes to keep a lid on it. Perhaps it could have more weird sci-fi in it or portray the purposelessness of people's lives but there's only so much that can be put into one film. I hope the sequel will be created and expand far beyond one city block.

I see mention of a Judge Dredd film starring Stallone but I assure you no such film exists. Any references or images are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

I made the mistake of not seeing Dredd in theaters, mostly due to time and extra cash on hand. After seeing the movie on DVD, I truly regret not supporting it from the start. Dredd was everything action film junkies and comic geeks wanted; a hard R-rated action movie with a much more faithful adaptation of Judge Dredd done perfectly by Karl Urban. While some people like to point out its "minor" relation to The Raid: Redemption, Dredd is its own beast that goes for the throat and does not let go.

I got the Blu-Ray to show my support and I intend on getting the "sequel" comic book Dredd: Underbelly as well. If any comic book film from 2012 deserves a sequel (aside from The Avengers, of course), its Dredd.

Smilomaniac:
...I did not expect these reactions.

Are we talking about the same Dredd..? The shopping mall mega building where all violence is kept PG13 and the story is basically about bullet-time pills and a junkie drug lord?

I had to go watch the Stallone version afterwards to ease the pain.

Son, not to call you ignorant, but have you seen the damn movie at all?! Allow me to post some NSFW evidence for you...

Pretty sure that footage will earn any film a hard R-rating and you're talking to someone who has watched a lot of hard R-rated action movies growing up.

Good news! I re-watched Dredd just the other night. It's a great little flick. I hope they manage to maintain the simplicity of Dredd in the next film

Smilomaniac:
...I did not expect these reactions.

Are we talking about the same Dredd..? The shopping mall mega building where all violence is kept PG13 and the story is basically about bullet-time pills and a junkie drug lord?

I had to go watch the Stallone version afterwards to ease the pain.

As other have pointed out it sounds like you haven't really watched Dredd at all.
Judge Dredd was the PG15 film.
- Judge Dredd handgun safety: Little electric shock. Blue lights. Whoop.
- Dredd handgun safety: Literally and visibly blows a dudes hand clear off his arm.
So... yeah. [edit - see video in post above]

I mean to each his own, but I much prefer Dredd to Stallone's Judge Dredd and this is why:

Judge Dredd feels so "Hollywoody" to me. The cast... the acting. Both pretty damn bad in my opinion. Starting the movie with an over-acted, run-on-the-mill comedy character a la Jar Jar Binks... totally misses the Mega City vibe and the Judge Dredd character.

It also somehow reminds me of Batman & Robin in many ways. Plasticky looking costumes with a slight campy edge too it. (Dredd in that massive plastic looking armour wearing nothing but a Lycra suit underneath? Massive plastic codpiece included.)
Also similarly to Batman & Robin, Judge Dredd feels way too cartoony -(Wait! I know what you're thinking about to say - comic and all...) more than the comics ever were. Judge Dredd comics were always more gritty than the other comparable publications to me and the Judge Dredd movie did not reflect that at all. In fact it went the opposite way.

Please, for the love of god, PLEASE let this happen.

It's funny that this story came up today - I just rewatched the movie and ordered some more of the comics...

Smilomaniac:
...I did not expect these reactions.

Are we talking about the same Dredd..? The shopping mall mega building where all violence is kept PG13 and the story is basically about bullet-time pills and a junkie drug lord?

I had to go watch the Stallone version afterwards to ease the pain.

I don't know if there was a different American cut or something, but Dredd had an 18 certificate in the UK. The fact that, due to it being a British/South African production as opposed to a Hollywood one, they didn't make everything PG-13 was a huge part of why fans of the comics liked it.

Plus John Wagner, the writer who actually created Judge Dredd, has said that he thought it was a great film adaptation and has given it his seal of approval (unlike the 1995 version).

Also, and there's nothing wrong with this at all, but I take it you're not a fan of the comics if you liked the Stallone version?

I would SO love to see this happen. Especially if Garland's ideas of a trilogy could be possible and the chance to see the Dark Judges. Because when we get the Dark Judges we get the page that made my teenage years so much more bearable:
http://comicimpact.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/fear.jpg

newwiseman:
Biggest problem with Dredd was it came out the week after The Raid: Redemption, an all around too similar and better film. I really liked the new Dredd but compared to Raid it was a let down.

You're absolutely right. I loved Dredd and I saw it first. I still love Dredd. Then recently I went on a trip and saw Raid, and it had martial arts. I love Martial Arts. Dredd was nearly a frame by frame rip off, even to the SAW/Chaingun scene. Of course I love the Character of Dredd, so it made me still give it a pass. But I was disappointed when I realized it.

Eri:
I love Dredd. With that said, It amuses me that so many people like him and yet as soon as an article about police comes up or police being "rough", everyone starts saying fuck the police.

Well, the difference of Dredd is that you see he's hunting down killers and people who are actually breaking the law. He literally doesn't notice you if you're not doing some sort of infraction. That IS the type of cop we all want.

We don't want cops like this, this, and officals like this.

Am I the only one who thought the whole thing in a cramped building made it suck?

Skeleon:
Even a judge, jury and executioner in one like Dredd is less monstrous than that, which is something to consider. It's kind of funnny in a way, that the idea of the vigilantee-cop-gone-rogue-for-vengeance is so prevalent in media; not just games. I guess it says something about society at large that such ideas are...

Thing is, that's true to the comics, Dredd very rarely executes anyone (killed during arrest happens a lot more often, but that's understandable), and most often puts down perps with non-lethal wounding shots.

Eri:
I love Dredd. With that said, It amuses me that so many people like him and yet as soon as an article about police comes up or police being "rough", everyone starts saying fuck the police.

Apart from the good old observation that the forum isn't a hive mind, so getting different viewpoints form different user should be expected, is it really so strange that people like things in their fiction that they don't like in real life? Just because someone likes Batman, doesn't mean they approve of vigilante justice. You can enjoy Starship Troopers without endorsing a fascist, militaristic government. Plus of course, Dredd is at heart a satire, so what's amusing about people enjoying it and not approving of irl police brutality/excessive force?

Edited to fix quotes.

ObsidianJones:

You're absolutely right. I loved Dredd and I saw it first. I still love Dredd. Then recently I went on a trip and saw Raid, and it had martial arts. I love Martial Arts. Dredd was nearly a frame by frame rip off, even to the SAW/Chaingun scene. Of course I love the Character of Dredd, so it made me still give it a pass. But I was disappointed when I realized it.

Disappointed in what? The 2 film are similar either by coincidence or it's the Raid that's ripping off Dredd, seeing as Dredd started filming a month before The Raid went into pre-production. While I haven't seen The Raid, given the time frames around the movies, it is impossible for Dredd to be ripping off the Raid, unless Alex Garland has a time machine.

Megalodon:
Apart from the good old observation that the forum isn't a hive mind, so getting different viewpoints form different user should be expected, is it really so strange that people like things in their fiction that they don't like in real life? Just because someone likes Batman, doesn't mean they approve of vigilante justice. You can enjoy Starship Troopers without endorsing a fascist, militaristic government. Plus of course, Dredd is at heart a satire, so what's amusing about people enjoying it and not approving of irl police brutality/excessive force?

Are you sure you even meant to quote me? I wasn't complaining about Judge Dredd. I said that I find it funny that the Judge Dredd game was closer to how a policeman should act than a lot of other games featuring cops-gone-rogue. The Judge Dredd game punished you if you killed everybody, you were actually supposed to arrest folks. But compare that to, say, the Dead To Rights games, where the protagonist slaughters hundreds of enemies instead of trying to arrest people.

Megalodon:

ObsidianJones:

You're absolutely right. I loved Dredd and I saw it first. I still love Dredd. Then recently I went on a trip and saw Raid, and it had martial arts. I love Martial Arts. Dredd was nearly a frame by frame rip off, even to the SAW/Chaingun scene. Of course I love the Character of Dredd, so it made me still give it a pass. But I was disappointed when I realized it.

Disappointed in what? The 2 film are similar either by coincidence or it's the Raid that's ripping off Dredd, seeing as Dredd started filming a month before The Raid went into pre-production. While I haven't seen The Raid, given the time frames around the movies, it is impossible for Dredd to be ripping off the Raid, unless Alex Garland has a time machine.

Valid Question. I'm not sure if you're into martial arts as much as I am (I practice, study, and just try to absorb as much of it as I can), but I knew that the The Raid Redemption was just it's English name. Its Indonesian name is 'Serbuan Maut'. I knew it was a movie that was release a long time prior. Well, a year. Here, I'll give you the google info

The Raid
2011 Film
7.6/10-IMDb
85%-Rotten Tomatoes
73%-Metacritic
The Raid: Redemption is a 2011 Indonesian martial arts action film written and directed by Gareth Evans and starring Iko Uwais. This is the second collaboration of Evans and Uwais after their first action film, Merantau, released in 2009. Wikipedia
Release date: March 23, 2012 (USA)

Dredd, however, came out in 2012

Dredd
2012 Film
7/10-IMDb
78%-Rotten Tomatoes
59%-Metacritic
Dredd is a 2012 science fiction action film directed by Pete Travis and written and produced by Alex Garland. It is based on the 2000 AD comic strip Judge Dredd and its eponymous character created by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra. Wikipedia
Release date: September 21, 2012 (USA)

So, yeah. that's why I'm disappointed.

Skeleon:

Megalodon:
Apart from the good old observation that the forum isn't a hive mind, so getting different viewpoints form different user should be expected, is it really so strange that people like things in their fiction that they don't like in real life? Just because someone likes Batman, doesn't mean they approve of vigilante justice. You can enjoy Starship Troopers without endorsing a fascist, militaristic government. Plus of course, Dredd is at heart a satire, so what's amusing about people enjoying it and not approving of irl police brutality/excessive force?

Are you sure you even meant to quote me? I wasn't complaining about Judge Dredd. I said that I find it funny that the Judge Dredd game was closer to how a policeman should act than a lot of other games featuring cops-gone-rogue. The Judge Dredd game punished you if you killed everybody, you were actually supposed to arrest folks. But compare that to, say, the Dead To Rights games, where the protagonist slaughters hundreds of enemies instead of trying to arrest people.

I did mean to quote you, but I also messed up the quoting. I like that the Dredd game did that, because it is true to the comics (and is a trait that is often lost oyside the comics thanks to the old Judge, Jury, Executioner tag line.) The bit you quote here was directed at Eri, because I found it strange that they being amused by supposed hypocrisy that doesn't make any sense to me.

ObsidianJones:

Megalodon:

ObsidianJones:

You're absolutely right. I loved Dredd and I saw it first. I still love Dredd. Then recently I went on a trip and saw Raid, and it had martial arts. I love Martial Arts. Dredd was nearly a frame by frame rip off, even to the SAW/Chaingun scene. Of course I love the Character of Dredd, so it made me still give it a pass. But I was disappointed when I realized it.

Disappointed in what? The 2 film are similar either by coincidence or it's the Raid that's ripping off Dredd, seeing as Dredd started filming a month before The Raid went into pre-production. While I haven't seen The Raid, given the time frames around the movies, it is impossible for Dredd to be ripping off the Raid, unless Alex Garland has a time machine.

Valid Question. I'm not sure if you're into martial arts as much as I am (I practice, study, and just try to absorb as much of it as I can), but I knew that the The Raid Redemption was just it's English name. Its Indonesian name is 'Serbuan Maut'. I knew it was a movie that was release a long time prior. Well, a year. Here, I'll give you the google info

The Raid
2011 Film
7.6/10-IMDb
85%-Rotten Tomatoes
73%-Metacritic
The Raid: Redemption is a 2011 Indonesian martial arts action film written and directed by Gareth Evans and starring Iko Uwais. This is the second collaboration of Evans and Uwais after their first action film, Merantau, released in 2009. Wikipedia
Release date: March 23, 2012 (USA)

Dredd, however, came out in 2012

Yes Dredd came out after The Raid. However Dredd started pre production in August 2010, with filming starting in November 2
2012 Film
7/10-IMDb
78%-Rotten Tomatoes
59%-Metacritic
Dredd is a 2012 science fiction action film directed by Pete Travis and written and produced by Alex Garland. It is based on the 2000 AD comic strip Judge Dredd and its eponymous character created by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra. Wikipedia
Release date: September 21, 2012 (USA)

So, yeah. that's why I'm disappointed.

Yes Dredd came out after The Raid. However Dredd started pre production in August 2010, with filming starting in November of that year. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd#Production

Whereas The Raid started filming in March 2011, following a four month pre production. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raid:_Redemption#Production
Now I don't know if there was a gap between pre production and filming. But given these dates I find it highly implausible that Dredd is ripping off The Raid. The known dates simply don't add up to that conclusion.

ObsidianJones:

The Raid
2011 Film
7.6/10-IMDb
85%-Rotten Tomatoes
73%-Metacritic
The Raid: Redemption is a 2011 Indonesian martial arts action film written and directed by Gareth Evans and starring Iko Uwais. This is the second collaboration of Evans and Uwais after their first action film, Merantau, released in 2009. Wikipedia
Release date: March 23, 2012 (USA)

Dredd, however, came out in 2012

Dredd
2012 Film
7/10-IMDb
78%-Rotten Tomatoes
59%-Metacritic
Dredd is a 2012 science fiction action film directed by Pete Travis and written and produced by Alex Garland. It is based on the 2000 AD comic strip Judge Dredd and its eponymous character created by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra. Wikipedia
Release date: September 21, 2012 (USA)

So, yeah. that's why I'm disappointed.

Just wanted to point out that those Metacritic scores do not represent people's opinion of the movie. The User Score rating of each movie is 8.2, meaning people in general enjoyed each movie about equally. Why anyone would go by the Critic Reviews over the User Score is beyond me.

Locke_Cole:

Just wanted to point out that those Metacritic scores do not represent people's opinion of the movie. The User Score rating of each movie is 8.2, meaning people in general enjoyed each movie about equally. Why anyone would go by the Critic Reviews over the User Score is beyond me.

The jist of why I was posting that was to show the time reference of when both movies shipped. I have no idea why you're talking about reivews.

Megalodon:

Yes Dredd came out after The Raid. However Dredd started pre production in August 2010, with filming starting in November of that year. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dredd#Production

Whereas The Raid started filming in March 2011, following a four month pre production. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raid:_Redemption#Production
Now I don't know if there was a gap between pre production and filming. But given these dates I find it highly implausible that Dredd is ripping off The Raid. The known dates simply don't add up to that conclusion.

Have movies, games, and the like paused to add new content into their finish product? Yeah. It happens all the time. Can I say with certainty that the crew of Dredd did that? No. I can't. I can say that the first time the Raid was ever Shown was in Canada at the Toronto Film Festival On September 8th, 2011. I'm not sure when Dredd stopped production.

Now, to be absolutely fair, both parties say that it's not feasible for the other to have ripped each other off. I do acknowledge that.

But.

You say you didn't see Raid. That's fine. I saw both. And as I stated, I loved Both. Loved. Both. This youtube isn't the greatest at pointing out the similarities. For example, his 'boss' similarity is patently wrong as all it has is people bloodied and on their knees. The Bosses take care of those guys in different ways. But I don't really have time to go hunting for a better one. I suggest you watch Raid. And still love Dredd. As I said, a great movie. I just don't believe in coincidences. Especially in coincidences to this degree. I do believe in politics and spin. So I'm being a pessimist at this one.

ObsidianJones:

Have movies, games, and the like paused to add new content into their finish product? Yeah. It happens all the time... I just don't believe in coincidences. Especially in coincidences to this degree. I do believe in politics and spin. So I'm being a pessimist at this one.

So you're suggesting the Dredd guys "paused" to completely remake the film after they saw The Raid? Seriously, think it through. Plus Dredd was famously low-budget, there's no way they could have afforded extensive re-shoots. Hell, that's the whole reason they went with the small, contained tower block setting in the first place.

I don't tend to trust coincidences either, but this is one. Saying you "don't believe in them" is silly, they do happen from time to time.

Also, can I just ask why you're so set on the idea that it was Dredd that ripped off The Raid and not the other way around? Not that either happened, I'm just curious why, given the dates and everything, you'd come to that conclusion.

Eamar:
So you're suggesting the Dredd guys "paused" to completely remake the film after they saw The Raid? Seriously, think it through. Plus Dredd was famously low-budget, there's no way they could have afforded extensive re-shoots. Hell, that's the whole reason they went with the small, contained tower block setting in the first place.

I don't tend to trust coincidences either, but this is one. Saying you "don't believe in them" is silly, they do happen from time to time.

Also, can I just ask why you're so set on the idea that it was Dredd that ripped off The Raid and not the other way around? Not that either happened, I'm just curious why, given the dates and everything, you'd come to that conclusion.

I was debating whether to respond to this due to perceived tone. Again, perceived. I can be wrong. Although I only use phrases such as 'think it through' in a not so flattering manner. However, the need to make my feelings clear won out. I state this as if I do come off as rude, forgive me in advance. I will look this over and edit it and hopefully it will just come out as factual.

To answer your last question first... yeah, I absolutely think that could be a possibility. I heard rumors of the Raid years ago long before I heard of Dredd. That's it. I've been with Gareth Evans and Iko Uwais since Merantau, so I was uber psyched about the Raid.

I'm suggesting politics and double speak. I gave an idea of what could happen, as fantastical as it is. I can be also fantastically wrong. However, I can not see something that is so much alike near shot for shot (at least 70% in my eyes) and say 'Oh, Coincidence'. Very easily could have the Raid ripped off Dredd. I love both movies, but nothing about the experience sits right with me. Therefore, I welcome a Dredd sequel so I can love it without any second thoughts.

ObsidianJones:

I was debating whether to respond to this due to perceived tone.

Absolutely no negativity was meant, apologies if it came across that way. It was meant to be a kind of light-hearted disagreement, but yeah, tone is difficult on the internet without spamming emoticons :P (see what I did there?)

To answer your last question first... yeah, I absolutely think that could be a possibility. I heard rumors of the Raid years ago long before I heard of Dredd. That's it. I've been with Gareth Evans and Iko Uwais since Merantau, so I was uber psyched about the Raid.

Ok, fair enough. To be fair though, a film of a big franchise like Judge Dredd doesn't exactly happen overnight either. Work started on the script in 2006, and it was announced in 2008. I can't find the corresponding dates for The Raid, but I doubt it was much earlier than that.

However, I can not see something that is so much alike near shot for shot (at least 70% in my eyes) and say 'Oh, Coincidence'.

I once started working on a story and got really into it, only to turn on the radio a couple of weeks later and hear a radio drama that was so similar to my story it was genuinely spooky and I had no real choice but to scrap the whole thing. I also once wrote a piece of music where part of the melody, completely unbeknownst to me, was unbelievably similar to a song my friend knew, but which I had never heard. My views on creative coincidence changed as a result of those experiences, though I acknowledge it's difficult to accept unless you've been in that situation. My theory on how such a thing is possible revolves around the different creators drawing from the same pool of tropes and influences (and yes, that goes all the way down to things like shot composition, dialogue and musical chord progressions).

I welcome a Dredd sequel so I can love it without any second thoughts.

Here at least we can agree :)

Dude, Karl, Eomer, mate - conversations are happening about sequels for everything.

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