Cliff Bleszinski Labels Notch a "Pouty Kid" - Updated

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Kajin:
Really Cliff? Really? You're calling Notch petty? And you're... not, somehow? Remember that epic little fit you had when Microsoft did a 180 on the always online requirements? Was that not petty?

God, Cliff is such an insufferable douche bag. Every time he speaks I end up hating him more and more.

Agreed. I had no feelings one way or another toward "Cliffy B" for a long while. Then he goes and retires from development and becomes a loyal knight on social media for whatever thing he personally likes and every time he opens his mouth I think, "Why should I, or anyone else, give a toss about anything you have to say?!"

Just shut up Cliff. It's Notch's game; he can do what he wants with it. He's not the brat because he doesn't want any business dealings with Facebook; you're the brat for judging him because he doesn't want to do what YOU think he should do. He's not the kid who "takes his ball and goes home;" you're the kid who goes and talks trash about him around the school because he, exercising his rightful choice in the matter, didn't want to play the ball game the way that YOU thought it should be played.

Add to this, everything that Notch has ever said has registered to me as, "Huh, well doesn't he sound like a cool, all-around nice guy."

My opinions on both of these guys have further gravitated toward their respective directions.

Ronack:
Problem: Cliffy B isn't a smart man of the industry. He's a pretty face who needs to spew company PR like a good little boy, because he's about as good a man to listen to as Michael Pachter.

What company is he spewing PR for.

llamastorm.games:
I completely agree
The only person Notch is hurting here is his customers, all the people who wanted to play Minecraft on the Rift.
I fully understand his personal misgivings and he is perfectly entitled to them but he also runs a company which makes and produces an exceptionally popular game played by millions, their opinion should be all that matters really in such a situation. I mean if after the acquisition Facebook/OR announced their plan to take over the world by harvesting all the worlds children in som
How many more times does Notch have to do something before everyone realises he's an immense douchebag...

Or those potential customers could just download the mod, which Notch thoughtfully pointed out on twitter.

If you're not aware, there's a mod that does it: https://t.co/qD9bCeyaeD- Markus Persson (@notch) March 25, 2014

[script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"][/script]

Just because Notch is cancelling official support (which he is entitled to do, being the creator and owner of Minecraft) doesn't leave all those potential customers in the lurch.

It just means he won't be making any money off any future Oculus/Minecraft combo.

EDIT: Stupid twitter embedding.

You know, Bleszinski's opinion might've held a bit more weight with neutrals if he wasn't about to make money hand over fist from Facebook's acquisition of Oculus (which admittedly, he...admitted to). Calling Notch a "pouty kid" also has a tint of irony to it, considering how parts of that post read.

Thing is, I don't necessarily disagree with him either, I'd say Notch was reactionary at best when he pulled Minecraft almost immediately. At least maybe sit down with people, talk it over with them first.

Back to Bleszinski however, "Cliffy" has had a special talent for sounding like an asshole recently (particularly when he decides to be being contrary for contrary's sake), and it's both sad and disappointing to see.

I care not, one way or the other... I don't care at all about Cliff B, and Notch can do what he wants with his money, it is, after all, his...

Other people who may be "pouty kids" according to CliffyB:
1. Mahatma Gandhi - he should just have accepted that the British Empire ultimately gave India access to the resources it needed.
2. Winston Churchill - he should just have accept that the Greater German Reich gave Poland access to the resources it needed.
3. Martin Luther King - he should just have accepted that racism gave Black People access to the resources they needed.
4. Holocaust Survivors - they should just accept that being genocided gives them access to the resources they needed.
5. Literally everyone who's done something CliffyB wouldn't - they should just accept that believing in the same stuff as CliffyB gives them access to the resources they need.

Not that I think that Zuckerberg has pulled a Hitler here. Just saying that name calling in this situation is completely uncalled for.

Also, totally the sort of thing a pouty kid does. Just throwing that out there.

(sidenote - for fun, see what "Zuckerberg" wants to correct to in Firefox's UK dictionary ^^ I feel as though that's a coincidence, but I want to believe it isn't.)

SonOfVoorhees:
Why should anyone have to make a game for Oculus? So what if Minecraft is cancelled, its the developers right to do that with his property and im sure he has his reasons. He probably didnt mind doing so as it was an indie/gamer invested machine and he wanted to help them. Now its been bought by FB he feels he doesn't want to support it now they have all that backing. Cliffy B needs to get over himself, sorry but the GoW series are not classic titles and he is no Bioware or P Moleneux.

If he wouldn't have minded it, he would have already made that port a year ago instead of still dragging his feet about

He was one of the first developers to receive a Rift devkit, Oculus has practically showered him with attention, yet even his game's modders working for free were more supportive of the Rift than himself.

Now suddenly he expects everyone to believe that his official port was right around the corner after all, and he just made some huge principled stand by "cancelling" it. (that is, not bothering to add it after all).

Its always nice when the pot calls the kettle black.

rasputin0009:
I kinda agree with Cliffy. Rather than considering the options or waiting to see what Facebook was about to do with it, Notch pulled the plug on the Minecraft adaptation. It does seem pretty childish. If the Oculus somehow becomes a success with gamers, then Notch will be kicking his own ass. Being all extreme about things isn't the best way to do business.

How and why would Notch be kicking himself? He doesn't like Facebook. He doesn't like how Facebook operates. Generally speaking, he just doesn't care to do business with them. And his financial standing is more than good enough to allow him to pick and choose what sort of entities he does business with on moral or personal grounds.

So why should Notch be kicking himself if OR is a success under Facebook's guidance? He saw something he didn't like and backed out of it. Why is this such a big deal?

May be hypocritical and annoying at times but I have to agree with Cliffy B. I don't like the idea of Facebook owning OR but at least wait a bit and see exactly what is going to happen. The way he reacted and pulling Minecraft just because he doesn't like Facebook is petty and bratty. Notch isn't my favorite person but definitely lost even more respect points.

Spushkin:
I didn't know Notch was generally disliked by the gaming community. Can someone tell me why?

I'm scratching my head at this as well. Basically the tone of many of these posts are "picking the lesser of two evils." What exactly did Notch do to earn the ire of so many people? Seemed he could do no wrong back when Minecraft was first taking off. Then again, I kind of stopped paying attention to Notch/Mojang related news for a few years now. I'm not saying Notch was saint material (very few people are), I'm just curious about this seemingly drastic shift in opinion.

As for Cliffy B., he had already made his point with his initial statement. Badmouthing Notch was uncalled for and will only result in unnecessary animosity all around.

Brian Tams:
Its always nice when the pot calls the kettle black.

Seriously. This sentiment could come from almost anybody else, but from CliffyB it's just hilarious.

Kajin:

rasputin0009:
I kinda agree with Cliffy. Rather than considering the options or waiting to see what Facebook was about to do with it, Notch pulled the plug on the Minecraft adaptation. It does seem pretty childish. If the Oculus somehow becomes a success with gamers, then Notch will be kicking his own ass. Being all extreme about things isn't the best way to do business.

How and why would Notch be kicking himself? He doesn't like Facebook. He doesn't like how Facebook operates. Generally speaking, he just doesn't care to do business with them. And his financial standing is more than good enough to allow him to pick and choose what sort of entities he does business with on moral or personal grounds.

So why should Notch be kicking himself if OR is a success under Facebook's guidance? He saw something he didn't like and backed out of it. Why is this such a big deal?

He'd kick himself because he'd be missing out on a large user base. Minecraft is almost on every platform under the sun so I'm assuming Notch wants as many people to play Minecraft in as many ways possible. It's not like Sony, Microsoft, Google, and Apple have the prettiest histories, either. And if the Oculus Rift becomes a major success under Facebook, it'd be ridiculous not to port the game to it. If Notch was well informed about the situation, it makes sense to act on moral or personal grounds, but he wasn't. Simply not enough time has passed since the deal was announced, and I'm betting neither Oculus or Facebook know for sure what to do with it yet.

Sometimes I wonder if he's serious or just a god tier troll...

DugMachine:
May be hypocritical and annoying at times but I have to agree with Cliffy B. I don't like the idea of Facebook owning OR but at least wait a bit and see exactly what is going to happen. The way he reacted and pulling Minecraft just because he doesn't like Facebook is petty and bratty. Notch isn't my favorite person but definitely lost even more respect points.

I don't get why people see this as a problem. If you don't like someone and dealing with them isn't the least bit necessary, then why would you deal with them? Notch doesn't like Facebook. He doesn't enjoy the notion of having to do business dealings with Facebook. And he has no obligation to deal with Facebook at all.

It's not childish to refuse to do business with an individual or corporate entity that you personally find unsavory.

"Notch, your cancelling Minecraft makes you look like a pouty kid who is taking his ball and going home," he wrote. "It's a bratty and petty move and it saddens me greatly."

What are they married or something?

rasputin0009:

Kajin:

rasputin0009:
I kinda agree with Cliffy. Rather than considering the options or waiting to see what Facebook was about to do with it, Notch pulled the plug on the Minecraft adaptation. It does seem pretty childish. If the Oculus somehow becomes a success with gamers, then Notch will be kicking his own ass. Being all extreme about things isn't the best way to do business.

How and why would Notch be kicking himself? He doesn't like Facebook. He doesn't like how Facebook operates. Generally speaking, he just doesn't care to do business with them. And his financial standing is more than good enough to allow him to pick and choose what sort of entities he does business with on moral or personal grounds.

So why should Notch be kicking himself if OR is a success under Facebook's guidance? He saw something he didn't like and backed out of it. Why is this such a big deal?

He'd kick himself because he'd be missing out on a large user base. Minecraft is almost on every platform under the sun so I'm assuming Notch wants as many people to play Minecraft in as many ways possible. It's not like Sony, Microsoft, Google, and Apple have the prettiest histories, either. And if the Oculus Rift becomes a major success under Facebook, it'd be ridiculous not to port the game to it. If Notch was well informed about the situation, it makes sense to act on moral or personal grounds, but he wasn't. Simply not enough time has passed since the deal was announced, and I'm betting neither Oculus or Facebook know for sure what to do with it yet.

Not everyone is motivated purely by profit margins. Notch wants Minecraft to be on as many platforms as possible but if he decides that one platform or another isn't fit to have his game on it then that is his choice. He owns Minecraft. He owns Mojang. It's his say on what happens with his game and he has every right to refuse signing his name on to something he doesn't agree with. If he doesn't agree with Facebook's acquisition of OR, then that's his opinion and he is well within his right to express that opinion by not doing business with them.

Kajin:

DugMachine:
May be hypocritical and annoying at times but I have to agree with Cliffy B. I don't like the idea of Facebook owning OR but at least wait a bit and see exactly what is going to happen. The way he reacted and pulling Minecraft just because he doesn't like Facebook is petty and bratty. Notch isn't my favorite person but definitely lost even more respect points.

I don't get why people see this as a problem. If you don't like someone and dealing with them isn't the least bit necessary, then why would you deal with them? Notch doesn't like Facebook. He doesn't enjoy the notion of having to do business dealings with Facebook. And he has no obligation to deal with Facebook at all.

It's not childish to refuse to do business with an individual or corporate entity that you personally find unsavory.

I would be more understanding if after more details on the future of OR were released but as it stands things seem to be running like normal but now with big daddy Facebook backing them up with their huge wallet. Why hurt your consumers who desperately wanted Minecraft on OR because you have personal beef with them? I don't know, maybe Notch knows stuff we don't about the whole deal. He certainly has every right to cancel the deal don't get me wrong. It just seems a bit premature to me is all.

Besides the irony of CliffyB resorting to name calling mere moments after accusing Notch of being childish, there's the irony (or hypocrisy, if you will) that Cliffy has routinely acted in or spoken in the same manner as Notch is now, throughout his game-design career.

This is nothing more than a man attempting to sling mud and not get his hands dirty.

My advice? Just continue to ignore him; even if you think he has a point.

Am I the only person who doesn't think its petty or bratty for Notch choosing not to do business with a company that he doesn't want to? I mean its almost like he is the founder of Mojang and created Minecraft or something and was well within his rights to choose who he does business with.

Also Cliffy should just go away now, just because he created UT doesn't make him overlord of gaming.

Ah Cliffy, the washed-up burnout who struggles to remain relevant and thus jumps on every news story he can in order to offer insight that isn't insight at all.

Until Facebook announces what limitations and restrictions they will be placing on the Rift, why would anyone continue to waste money on developing software for it? It's just good business to immediately stop all associated work when a dependent technology suddenly changes ownership. Anything else is just being irresponsible to your stakeholders.

Kajin:

Not everyone is motivated purely by profit margins. Notch wants Minecraft to be on as many platforms as possible but if he decides that one platform or another isn't fit to have his game on it then that is his choice. He owns Minecraft. He owns Mojang. It's his say on what happens with his game and he has every right to refuse signing his name on to something he doesn't agree with. If he doesn't agree with Facebook's acquisition of OR, then that's his opinion and he is well within his right to express that opinion by not doing business with them.

Ya, of course it's his choice. Not sure why you're arguing that. Although, I am sure that anybody can criticize Notch's choices. Again, he acted way too quickly to know what was actually going to happen with the Oculus Rift. Similar to what Cliffy stated, "a pouty kid" would do. He might have even disappointed internal team members at Mojang with his decision.

DugMachine:
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I would be more understanding if after more details on the future of OR were released but as it stands things seem to be running like normal but now with big daddy Facebook backing them up with their huge wallet. Why hurt your consumers who desperately wanted Minecraft on OR because you have personal beef with them? I don't know, maybe Notch knows stuff we don't about the whole deal. He certainly has every right to cancel the deal don't get me wrong. It just seems a bit premature to me is all.

I don't think it's premature at all. This isn't about whether or not Occulus Rift is going to be a success. It's already proven itself to be a pretty big one. This is about not wanting to have dealings with someone or something you don't like. Notch doesn't want to deal with Facebook. He doesn't like Facebook or any of its corporate policies, and he's backing out of having Minecraft on Occulus Rift because he doesn't approve of Facebook's business practices.

Sure, some people are gonna have to do without playing Minecraft using the Occulus Rift, but that's just how things work in real life. They can just go back to playing Minecraft on every other piece of electronic in existence. Or uninstall it and refuse to put any money into another Mojang product ever again because, like Notch, they too can put their business where their mouth is and not deal with Notch for making a decision they didn't personally agree with.

Meh, I'm on Notch's side here.

If I donated a big chunk of change to a Better Quality Food initiative and it got bought out by Monsanto, I'd be pissed as well. You're damn right I'd take my ball and go home.

Cliff made some valid points. It's a shame his reputation for making valid points has a long history of being shot.

Notch is overreacting. It is pendantic of him to back out of support just because he doesn't like the latest investor. And yes, Facebook is an "investor" even though it invested enough to buy a controlling share of the company.

The truth is that the Occulus rift's pockets just got deeper and we just took nearly all the steps needed to make sure this actually happens.

All of Oculus Rift's promises have been kept. They've been working on improvement after improvement and have spurred all kinds of competition and interest in this area. They could not have done any better of a job. Yes, Facebook is a creepy company full of data mining that makes us squeemish. But that doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have to give a stool sample to log into your rift.

Let's just wait and see what facebook puts out and we'll know if it was a good or bad thing. I genuinely hope it ends up being a good thing and that facebook's contributions end up being nice optional consumer friendly options.

For example, I like the idea of using the rift to view live sporting events as if I'm in the stadium. That's not a bad idea and that's Facebook's idea.

So chill and wait. It isn't like EA got the game, then you'd know it'd be always on and require an Origin account or some crap.

I'm sure Notch cares as much about these statements from Cliffy as I currently do. Can't these silly people just focus on making entertainment products instead of this mud-flinging bullshit?

Also, Notch can do whatever the fuck he wants with his products. Even if it comes to bite him in the ass later on.

I didn't know about the Minecraft thing, but it does seem like Notch is overreacting just a little there and it seems like quite a knee-jerk reaction and indeed fairly petty.
But having Cliffy B of all people call you out... and then in that fashion too, is just as childish.

MonkeyPunch:
I didn't know about the Minecraft thing, but it does seem like Notch is overreacting just a little there and it seems like quite a knee-jerk reaction and indeed fairly petty.
But having Cliffy B of all people call you out... and then in that fashion too, is just as childish.

I'd say it's fairly shameful to have a guy like Cliffy aptly call you out. He did so in a childish fashion but he isn't wrong. A big kid did come to play and Notch did respond by taking his ball home.

Facebook is a company that just invested $2billion into the Rift. That's astoundingly good for us to get a great Oculus Rift at the end of the day. Pockets that deep will compete with anything the bigger companies have been working on putting out unless Sony really steps up their game (and even then, it'll likely be married to a console).

Neronium:
I find it funny that Cliff is the one saying that given how often he used to whine about "the internet pirating my games" all the time...only for the 360 versions to be pirated like crazy.

Don't forget the tantrum he threw when GoW3 got an 8 from a reviewer.

I think Cliff raises some good points for a business standpoint. It's true that Facebook could be a great thing for the Rift. But sadly, the name calling puts a sour note on everything he said. "I think Notch is making a bad decision," would have been enough, but no. While Notch may look like a bratty kid, Cliff now looks like stuck-up kid who thinks he's better than everyone and has to let them know it.

Hahaha. Cliffy B complaining about someone being a pouty kid is dripping with hypocrisy, given all the times he's whined about review scores or the secondhand market.

Remember kids. The rules say to judge a statement by its content...except for Cliff Bleszinski.

I don't feel any shame in agreeing with him here. I doubt Facebook really cares about Minecraft, so the only people losing here are people who wanted official support like he had promised.

Cliff Bleszinski is one of the least likeable 'gaming personalities' there has ever been. He's just such a punchable twat.

Great mudsliging from the pretty boy PR speaker who whined about "pirated" games on the 360,

Look I love minecraft and contrary to some other games I do like notch, I understand hes not perfect, but I completely understand and think he made the right move by cancelling minecraft, his game his decision and I think he has every right to cancel minecraft for OR

Look im not gonna pretend notch or minecraft is perfect but I think he, along with any other developer or gamer cancelling anything to do with the OR has every right to do so

You can agree or disagree with Cliffy ive stated my opinion, to me though this is just PR speak from the pretty boy of the industry

You can remain excited and interested in the OR, but don't go around calling other gamers and developers "whiny babies" when they see the direction the OR COULD (emphasis on COULD) go, also if the OR does turn out to be amazing, I guarantee developers like Notch will return to it, but for now any developer or gamer that has pre-ordered or kickstarted an OR has every right to feel a little bit betrayed right now

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