Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term

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Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term

'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

Alex Kibkalo, the ex-Microsoft employee who pled guilty on charges of leaking Microsoft's trade secrets to a French blogger, has been sentenced to 3 months in prison. Judge John C. Coughenour also ordered Kibkalo to pay a $100 fine, but that fine was waived as the court deemed it unlikely that Kibkalo would be able to pay it. The prosecution had recommended Kibkalo pay $22,500 in restitution to Microsoft, but the Judge didn't agree.

Kibkalo, a security and IT architecture specialist of more than 10 years standing, passed on pre-release source code for the version of Windows 8 used by ARM devices, as well as Microsoft's Activation Server Software Development Kit. According to a letter from Kibkalo to the Judge, he describes this action as "a wrong decision," and says "I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties." Though he doesn't explicitly say so, Kibkalo seems to imply that the wrong decision wasn't malicious but simple naiveté; he describes himself as an enthusiastic blogger and communicator, often talking to all kinds of people about any number of things.

As a result of this case, Microsoft has changed its policy about email communications. In order to find out more about Kibkalo it examined the contents of his French contact's Hotmail account, an action that it justified under its terms of service, saying that the "exceptional circumstances" warranted the search. Microsoft counsel John Frank also claimed there is no procedure for this sort of thing; Microsoft owns Hotmail, so it was effectively searching its own servers, and courts don't have any means of authorizing a company to search its own records.

Whether or not the terms of service did in fact justify the search, Microsoft caught a lot of criticism for looking at a user's personal email account without obtaining a court order. Its new policies, instituted after the Kibkalo case, call for it first to determine whether or not a court order would be warranted if one was applicable, and then to submit the evidence to an outside attorney who is a former federal judge. If that outside attorney agrees that there is a case to answer, and the evidence would justify a court order, the search will be conducted.

Source: Seattle Times

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Karloff:
Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term
Judge John C. Coughenour also ordered Kibkalo to pay a $100 fine, but that fine was waived as the court deemed it unlikely that Kibkalo would be able to pay it.>

Is that a typo or a joke that I don't get?

Whether or not the terms of service did in fact justify the search, Microsoft caught a lot of criticism for looking at a user's personal email account without obtaining a court order. Its new policies, instituted after the Kibkalo case, call for it first to determine whether or not a court order would be warranted if one was applicable, and then to submit the evidence to an outside attorney who is a former federal judge. If that outside attorney agrees that there is a case to answer, and the evidence would justify a court order, the search will be conducted.

Pretty sure there should be a certain expectation of privacy involved there. If I were keeping things in a storage locker and I appeared to be meeting my end of the agreement with them, it wouldn't be legal for them to search it, so it shouldn't be legal for a company like Microsoft to read my private emails without getting a court order first.

And if I understand these new terms correctly then they're also rather troubling. If they think they have a case where a court order would be appropriate they'll go to someone who isn't actually a judge any more, give them the evidence, and if he says it's cool they'll take a peek without actually going to the courts to get a court order? What the fuck? And should people just trust the judgement of this person Microsoft is likely paying directly for his services?

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Karloff:
Windows 8 Leak Earns Ex-Microsoft Employee 3 Month Jail Term
Judge John C. Coughenour also ordered Kibkalo to pay a $100 fine, but that fine was waived as the court deemed it unlikely that Kibkalo would be able to pay it.>

Is that a typo or a joke that I don't get?

Nope. Looks as though Kibkalo's broke. If his letter is to be believed, this mistake cost him pretty much everything he had, including two jobs.

What was the trade secret he leaked; Windows 8 is useful as a chocolate coffee pot?

In other words: If you're still stupid enough to use Hotmail; Stop. Stop right now.

Wait, so their new policy is to do the search, but someone else is doing it and totally not them so it's completely okay, and then if that person tells them they will find what they're looking for they ask a judge if they can do the search?

Ok, as a side note before I make my silly comment: They just dug through his personal email just because they own the email service? That is, like, 50 shades of scummy right there. Like, I'm utterly disgusted by how casually they just broke employee privacy for their own end. I'd *hate* to be an employee there, and would likely leave once this story hit. That, and instantly change my email provider (well, I use Gmail, but I think "brand loyalty" comes into play when you work for a big brand.)

Onto the topic of leaking Windows 8 information, I think Microsoft can flip right off. Like, I get privacy is a thing, and you want to make sure no one else does it, but jeez, this guy lost his job AND all his money, and you are still throwing him in jail? Freakin' ludicrous. He really doesn't deserve that for leaking, if it has to do with Windows 8, junk software information.

Lord forbid you jail the ONE guy actually excited about your stuff. No wonder everyone else hates Windows 8, then don't want jail time for it.

Chaos James:
Ok, as a side note before I make my silly comment: They just dug through his personal email just because they own the email service? That is, like, 50 shades of scummy right there. Like, I'm utterly disgusted by how casually they just broke employee privacy for their own end. I'd *hate* to be an employee there, and would likely leave once this story hit. That, and instantly change my email provider (well, I use Gmail, but I think "brand loyalty" comes into play when you work for a big brand.)

Nope. They searched the email of the French blogger. Good try, though.

OT: Can't even pay the $100 fine? Christ, I wish the guy luck in his recovery attempts. :(

Karloff:

'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.

Deathfish15:

Karloff:

'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.

Eh, I wouldn't jump to the "bad person" conclusion so quickly. If the blogger was pressing for "more info" (and many would), and the guy hadn't been trained correctly (also common), it's fully possible that he didn't think it would be an issue. People have done dumber things because no one told them not to.

That said, leaking code does put a damper on things.

lacktheknack:

Deathfish15:

Karloff:

'I got my lesson not to discuss my work projects with external parties,' Alex Kibkalo tells the judge.

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.

Eh, I wouldn't jump to the "bad person" conclusion so quickly. If the blogger was pressing for "more info" (and many would), and the guy hadn't been trained correctly (also common), it's fully possible that he didn't think it would be an issue. People have done dumber things because no one told them not to.

That said, leaking code does put a damper on things.

A "security and IT architecture specialist of more than 10 years standing" doesn't just pass long the SOURCE CODE to Windows without knowing that it's WRONG.

NLS:

lacktheknack:

Deathfish15:

What a load of bollocks! He didn't just 'discuss' it, he passed on the actual code/materials. It's theft of corporate property, as well as can be considered corporate espionage for leaking of major company secrets. This guy is a good case of BAD EMPLOYEE and just BAD PERSON in general. He should have gotten more than 3 months of jail for this theft.

Eh, I wouldn't jump to the "bad person" conclusion so quickly. If the blogger was pressing for "more info" (and many would), and the guy hadn't been trained correctly (also common), it's fully possible that he didn't think it would be an issue. People have done dumber things because no one told them not to.

That said, leaking code does put a damper on things.

A "security and IT architecture specialist of more than 10 years standing" doesn't just pass long the SOURCE CODE to Windows without knowing that it's WRONG.

Touche. He definitely should have known better after being a specialist for that long.

I find it funny that the courts waive a $100 fine because the person can't afford to pay it, meanwhile there are all those dirty music piraters (housewives and students, etc.) who get Million dollar fines and those DON'T get waived...what?...because they CAN afford to pay them? Yeah, right!

Edit: The guy's mistake was, first...getting caught, and second...not being rich. If he were rich he could have got himself a lawyer smart enough to claim "Affluenza" and got him off with just a warning and some rehab time. Rich people don't serve jail time.

Good luck getting rehired buddy. That sort of thing isn't going to look good to potential employers. Bad judgement as well as violating policy.

Like it even matters if he leaks Windows 8 shit or not.

I had the displeasure of using it over the weekend for the first time and it was a piece of trash. Bless the souls of any software company dumb enough to actually steal and use any of that info.

008Zulu:
What was the trade secret he leaked; Windows 8 is useful as a chocolate coffee pot?

Dragonbums:
Like it even matters if he leaks Windows 8 shit or not.

I had the displeasure of using it over the weekend for the first time and it was a piece of trash. Bless the souls of any software company dumb enough to actually steal and use any of that info.

So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid? And that this in some way makes it justifiable to leak secrets about it? What an exceptional train of logic right there.... :o)

The problem with Windows 8 is all about intuition. The system is not intuitive, which makes it difficult for newbies (like, for example, my mom) to learn and use. While that is certainly a problem, and not one that should be ignored, that doesn't mean it's all bad. It's still faster than Windows 7 in many aspects, and if you're a power user and have some patience in learning your way around the system, there's many benefits to reap.

Been using Windows 8 (now 8.1) for a year and 3 months now, and I'm not going back to Windows 7 anytime soon. Windows 8 has improved my workflow in many ways. Yes it took some time, but being patient actually benefits you in the end. Also, the latest updates to Windows 8.1 has brought several improvements that once again makes the system more intuitive.

That said, i feel that Microsoft is losing the battle to Apple on this one. I'm an avid anti-Apple person, but their latest showings at WWDC impressed me, particularly the improvements to iOS 8. Microsoft and Google better up their game soon.

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Is that a typo or a joke that I don't get?

I would interpret that as the cost of this case has likely bankrupted the developer in question.

Lose your job, lose your insurance, lose your house because you lost your job, incur a mortgage sized debt in legal fees but have no job and no assets to pay them off with.

Suddenly finding a hundred dollars may as well be finding half a million.

lacktheknack:
Nope. They searched the email of the French blogger. Good try, though.

OT: Can't even pay the $100 fine? Christ, I wish the guy luck in his recovery attempts. :(

Well, that's what I get for posting when I'm tired and unable to read clearly, XD.

Still 49 shades of scummy just reading the emails of some person on the net. I still don't think the ends justified the means without proper channels.

But we can nick the mix-up to "always be clear in what you read, especially when going on to call companies mean things."

Athinira:

So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?

Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.

And that this in some way makes it justifiable to leak secrets about it?

I never said he was justified in leaking any Microsoft secrets. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said it would mean fuck all because Windows 8 is the most hated software since the Vista.

Dragonbums:
Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.

I remember the first time i tried Windows 8 was when it was in beta. Compared to the Windows 7 beta, which won me over instantly from Vista, the Windows 8 beta disgusted me so quickly that i swiched back a few days later.

The system had a rocky start, we agree. Windows 8.1 has improved much though. I happen to be IT-administrator of an institution. We had a lot of problems with our users learning Windows 8. However, after we upgraded to Windows 8.1 with the latest update (Windows 8.1 update 1), support cases have dropped almost 25% (and the last 75% aren't even all Windows-related).

Edit: still it's a terrible thing to be spending time and company money on, but at least Microsoft is moving in the right direction.

Dragonbums:
I never said he was justified in leaking any Microsoft secrets. Don't put words in my mouth.

I said it would mean fuck all because Windows 8 is the most hated software since the Vista.

What you said still implies that the crime is irrelevant, just because the system is hated.

To give an analogy, if we were discussing an entirely different subject (like, say, a rape case), what you said in your first paragraph would basically be the equivalent to saying "So what if he raped some drug-addict?". You might not have said that it's okay, but i still don't imagine that sentence would have made your very popular.

"So... what are you in for?"

"I murdered ten guys with a nailgun."

"Cool. I told a blogger about windows 8."

Athinira:

I remember the first time i tried Windows 8 was when it was in beta. Compared to the Windows 7 beta, which won me over instantly from Vista, the Windows 8 beta disgusted me so quickly that i swiched back a few days later.

The system had a rocky start, we agree. Windows 8.1 has improved much though. I happen to be IT-administrator of an institution. We had a lot of problems with our users learning Windows 8. However, after we upgraded to Windows 8.1 with the latest update (Windows 8.1 update 1), support cases have dropped almost 25% (and the last 75% aren't even all Windows-related).

Edit: still it's a terrible thing to be spending time and company money on, but at least Microsoft is moving in the right direction.

The damage has already been done. I'm not getting Windows 8. I'm skipping it. First impressions mean everything. And for a good chunk of the consumer base people who use Windows 8 still hates it, and those who didn't upgrade aren't buying it. It got to a point where Hewlett Packard re advertised new laptops and computers with Windows 7.

Dragonbums:

What you said still implies that the crime is irrelevant, just because the system is hated.

Apathy is not the same as supporting the crime. I'm not rooting for the guy. I personally think he was an idiot to be in that position for 10 years and not know not to give out codes to anyone for anything. However I don't care. Because again Windows 8 was a mistake storm.

To give an analogy, if we were discussing an entirely different subject (like, say, a rape case), what you said in your first paragraph would basically be the equivalent to saying "So what if he raped some drug-addict?". You might not have said that it's okay, but i still don't imagine that sentence would have made your very popular.

Ah yes. Let's compare software code to something emotionally and mentally destroying as rape.

3 months of prison? Too harsh. As people here have said, he's already lost everything.

Athinira:
=if you're a power user and have some patience in learning your way around the system, there's many benefits to reap.

Been using Windows 8 (now 8.1) for a year and 3 months now, and I'm not going back to Windows 7 anytime soon. Windows 8 has improved my workflow in many ways. Yes it took some time, but being patient actually benefits you in the end.

Actually, I'm curious now, what benefits specifically have you found? A lot of people, besides the Metro UI and slightly faster startup speed, have noticed no difference between 8 and 7.

Athinira:
So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?

No, I understand it, better than most in fact. I spend a good deal of my time teaching others how to use it. See, here's why it fails as a desktop operating system; It's not designed for desktop operating systems. Since it's release, Microsoft have had to go back and essentially rebuild the desktop version so it can be used as a desktop version. That's why it's a failure.

Genocidicles:
"So... what are you in for?"

"I murdered ten guys with a nailgun."

"Cool. I told a blogger about windows 8."

Let's be fair, he won't be in prison with rapists and murderers. He won't be going, as a certain movie dubbed it, 'federal pound me in the ass prison'. He'll be in minimum security, and is more likely to suffer from boredom and ennui than violence. Which isn't to say it is justified or not over sentancing, the guy will never work in his industry again and especially with prison on his record likely never a decent job period.

How. Just how did he ever think he could get away with giving out god-damn source code. As someone who works in the industry, it just boggles my mind how he thought this would be anything else but a horrible idea.

Dragonbums:

Athinira:

So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?

Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.

Seriously? It took you 5 minutes to figure out how to click 2 buttons? I think that's more on you than Microsoft dude. As for the control panel, all you have to do is open the start menu and type "control panel", alternatively you can also pin it directly to the start menu so it's exactly 2 click away at any moment just like with windows 7.

Oh, come on. Windows 8 is shit. A man shouldn't be punished for THAT. Wait 'till it happens to a money-making product.

Dragonbums:
The damage has already been done. I'm not getting Windows 8. I'm skipping it. First impressions mean everything.

If first impressions meant everything, then i wouldn't be using Windows 8 right now.

First impressions only mean everything to people who easily rejects change, people who have little patience, or people who are narrow-minded.

Fortunately for me, i have plenty of patience and a willingness to try new things. That's why i ended up adopting it after i discovered the usefulness of all the advantages. If Windows 8 had only continued to give me trouble, then i would eventually have abandoned it anyway.

Dragonbums:
Apathy is not the same as supporting the crime. I'm not rooting for the guy. I personally think he was an idiot to be in that position for 10 years and not know not to give out codes to anyone for anything. However I don't care. Because again Windows 8 was a mistake storm.

It's still not what you said.

Dragonbums:
Ah yes. Let's compare software code to something emotionally and mentally destroying as rape.

Except i didn't compare the two. I only compared the principle of the meaning of your words, which is the entire point of making an analogy.

I could have easily picked plenty of other subjects and use it to make an analogy. I selected this one because it was rather effective way to demonstrate my point.

Arnoxthe1:
Actually, I'm curious now, what benefits specifically have you found? A lot of people, besides the Metro UI and slightly faster startup speed, have noticed no difference between 8 and 7.

As mentioned in the disclaimer in what you quoted, 'If you are a power user' applies here ;-)

Anyway, there's a lot of administrative advantages for those of us who works in IT (although they are far from as useful as the advantages we saw in the move from Vista or XP to Windows 7).

For me as a personal user, the new start menu (especially in 8.1) is actually a huge advantage. People spew a lot of hate against it, but when you think about it, the new Start Menu is actually customizable to your own preference, where the Windows 7 start menu typically just ended up being loaded with a million random folders. It gives easy access to your needed software and only displays what you want it to display. Also, from an administrative (work-related) point of view, i can actually set up the start menu and then lock it down, so it only contains the software the user of the machine needs.

This is by far superior to the Win 7 start menu in terms of launching software, and it's also superior to the desktop launching scheme, since that either requires you to minimize all windows, or use the Win-D shortcut (which is still an inferior solution since launching a piece of software from the desktop still ). Also desktops tends to get cluttered easily with all sorts of random files and stuff.

For users of screens with really DPI (like 4k screens, or small Full HD screens), Windows 8 also introduced scaling of the user interface, where Windows 7 only offered scaling of text.
Then there's touchscreen-devices, which doesn't need to be tablets these days. A lot of laptops are starting to support this, and it's actually a great experience with Windows 8.

Then there's multi-monitor support. A few small benefits in Windows 8 there, like multi-monitor taskbars (personally not a feature i use, but it's still there). There's also some inherent advantages if you use USB 3.0. I've had a lot of issues with Win7 devices and USB 3.0 drivers, especially for performance-critical applications like audio-managing. Windows 8 just works out of the box on that one. Storage Spaces, which works similar to the linux feature LVM (Logical Volume Manager) allows you to move away from the traditional Disk-Partition scheme, which is a great advantage, especially in desktop PC's who usually have the capability to contain many hard drives or solid state disks.

Also some disadvantages obviously, but to me they are rather minor. Most importantly though, Windows 8.1 actually runs very smooth, which is an advantage on older computer hardware. We actually had 60 PC's at my workplace that we were considering throwing out due to speed issues (processors were fine, but RAM was sparse and hard drives were slow). Tested them with Windows 8.1, and they ran much much better, so we reimaged them all and shipped them out into use.

Olas:

Dragonbums:

Athinira:

So because you two doesn't understand the system, the system is stupid?

Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.

Seriously? It took you 5 minutes to figure out how to click 2 buttons? I think that's more on you than Microsoft dude. As for the control panel, all you have to do is open the start menu and type "control panel", alternatively you can also pin it directly to the start menu so it's exactly 2 click away at any moment just like with windows 7.

Two clicks? If I remember correctly I had to drag my mouse at the corner of the screen and wait for the window to pop up. Especially frustrating when it came to accessing the control panel. Honestly I'm not putting up with that shit. Desktop mode should of been default for all laptops and desktop computers. Fisher Price UI should be left for tablets, and that weird magnetic laptop,tablet hybrid thing they had on display at one of their stores.

Athinira:

Arnoxthe1:
Actually, I'm curious now, what benefits specifically have you found? A lot of people, besides the Metro UI and slightly faster startup speed, have noticed no difference between 8 and 7.

As mentioned in the disclaimer in what you quoted, 'If you are a power user' applies here ;-)

Anyway, there's a lot of administrative advantages for those of us who works in IT (although they are far from as useful as the advantages we saw in the move from Vista or XP to Windows 7).

For me as a personal user, the new start menu (especially in 8.1) is actually a huge advantage. People spew a lot of hate against it, but when you think about it, the new Start Menu is actually customizable to your own preference, where the Windows 7 start menu typically just ended up being loaded with a million random folders. It gives easy access to your needed software and only displays what you want it to display. Also, from an administrative (work-related) point of view, i can actually set up the start menu and then lock it down, so it only contains the software the user of the machine needs.

This is by far superior to the Win 7 start menu in terms of launching software, and it's also superior to the desktop launching scheme, since that either requires you to minimize all windows, or use the Win-D shortcut (which is still an inferior solution since launching a piece of software from the desktop still ). Also desktops tends to get cluttered easily with all sorts of random files and stuff.

For users of screens with really DPI (like 4k screens, or small Full HD screens), Windows 8 also introduced scaling of the user interface, where Windows 7 only offered scaling of text.
Then there's touchscreen-devices, which doesn't need to be tablets these days. A lot of laptops are starting to support this, and it's actually a great experience with Windows 8.

Then there's multi-monitor support. A few small benefits in Windows 8 there, like multi-monitor taskbars (personally not a feature i use, but it's still there). There's also some inherent advantages if you use USB 3.0. I've had a lot of issues with Win7 devices and USB 3.0 drivers, especially for performance-critical applications like audio-managing. Windows 8 just works out of the box on that one. Storage Spaces, which works similar to the linux feature LVM (Logical Volume Manager) allows you to move away from the traditional Disk-Partition scheme, which is a great advantage, especially in desktop PC's who usually have the capability to contain many hard drives or solid state disks.

Also some disadvantages obviously, but to me they are rather minor. Most importantly though, Windows 8.1 actually runs very smooth, which is an advantage on older computer hardware. We actually had 60 PC's at my workplace that we were considering throwing out due to speed issues (processors were fine, but RAM was sparse and hard drives were slow). Tested them with Windows 8.1, and they ran much much better, so we reimaged them all and shipped them out into use.

I see. Well, I'm actually glad it's good for something and Microsoft didn't screw it up as much as I thought. My laptop came with both Windows 7 and 8.1 so I could switch any time if I wanted. It may not be worth the trouble though at this point.

Also nice to listen to a different, well thought-out point of view on this as well.

Dragonbums:

Olas:

Dragonbums:

Um yeah. You are making a UI interface for the public consumer market. I'm not computer stupid in the least, but it took me 5 minutes to get the hang of switching between desktop mode and...whatever the fuck Windows 8 is infamous for. Even more time to find the control panel for my computer.

Seriously? It took you 5 minutes to figure out how to click 2 buttons? I think that's more on you than Microsoft dude. As for the control panel, all you have to do is open the start menu and type "control panel", alternatively you can also pin it directly to the start menu so it's exactly 2 click away at any moment just like with windows 7.

Two clicks? If I remember correctly I had to drag my mouse at the corner of the screen and wait for the window to pop up.

Like how you had to drag the mouse all the way down to start button and click on it in windows 7?

Also: Windows 8.1 has a start button now that is functionally identical to the one in windows 7.

Especially frustrating when it came to accessing the control panel.

Right clicking on the start button in Windows 8 brings up this menu

Like I said though, you can access it through the start screen too.

Honestly I'm not putting up with that shit. Desktop mode should of been default for all laptops and desktop computers. Fisher Price UI should be left for tablets, and that weird magnetic laptop,tablet hybrid thing they had on display at one of their stores.

Windows 8 has the same desktop UI as windows 7. Unless you're talking about the windows not being semi-transparent. I personally couldn't care less about whether my windows look like they're made of actual glass or not, but I acknowledge that it's just preference.

Olas:

Especially frustrating when it came to accessing the control panel.

Right clicking on the start button in Windows 8 brings up this menu

Like I said though, you can access it through the start screen too.

Sure, but how do you find this stuff out? Why would anyone think to do that? I just found out six months ago that you can hit the Windows key in Windows 7, type whatever you want to find and it'll make a list. I'm not computer-illiterate either; I've had experience with software design and the hardware innards.

The problem with Windows 8 - and, frankly, with all previous versions of Windows and probably OS's in general, but we've had time to get used to their eccentricities - is that none of these shortcuts are obvious or intuitive. Windows doesn't go, "Hey! You've dug up the Control Panel three times today. Here's a faster way!" or watched you individually minimize every single window on the desktop and said "Windows-M does that instantly!" It'd be nice if these little features would draw attention to themselves if you're obviously in need of them.

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