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No Xenomorphs in Prometheus 2

The Deacon

Director Ridley Scott has admitted there will be no Xenomorphs in the Prometheus sequel.

Prometheus has quite the reputation with Alien fans, namely in the disappointment with how the movie turned out (compared to what it should have been). Some cite the issues began when the original script started as a direct Alien prequel, instead of the spin-off it eventually became. Director Ridley Scott won't allow the same mistakes to be made with Prometheus 2.

In a recent interview Scott discussed how development is underway for the film, even though he's currently focused on other projects. "Right now, as we speak, it's being written. I've had 15 drafts evolving."

The ending scene of Prometheus (spoiler warning) had what looked like a subspecies of a Xenomorph gruesomely tearing apart its Engineer host. The creature, known as the Deacon, turned out not to be a Xenomorph, but its presence still gave fans hope that Xenomorphs would play a prominent role in future sequels. Scott has now confirmed that will not be the case.

"The beast is done. Cooked..." "I got lucky meeting Giger all those years ago. It's very hard to repeat that. I just happen to be the one who forced it through because they said it's obscene. They didn't want to do it and I said, 'I want to do it, it's fantastic'. But after four, I think it wears out a little bit. There's only so much snarling you can do. I think you've got to come back with something more interesting. And I think we've found the next step. I thought the Engineers were quite a good start."

There is currently no release date set for Prometheus 2, but it's speculated it will be sometime in 2016.

Source: Polygon

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Ravenous Alien's fans will of course want more xenomorphs. I sort of agree with Ridley on this though. They've had a lot of movies already, and Prometheus scraped on their origins a bit, but it built the foundation for another story, one that I'm much more interested in seeing than another one where xenomorphs are the principal threat.

Prometheus would've been better as either a straight prequel or its own thing. Splitting the difference was IMO part of the problem with it; they apparently kept a lot of stuff that made some sense in the original script and made no sense in the final.

Hopefully any sequels work more on standing on their own. Actually, it would be nice if they stood at all. Seriously, get some people to check the script and ask "Does this make sense?"

well if they want to shoot themselves in the ass be my guest. i haven't really paid much attention to the movies after aliens and they seem to be wanting to create an alien movie without the aliens. ok then what ever floats your boat.

to quote someone i know who worked on the first movie "they should of kept the original draft instead of the fucked up train wreck it became"

Jesus, let it die. Just let it go, already, and put it out its misery.

This couldn't be a more perfect metaphor for the ALIEN series as a whole.

Scott, I don't think you have the slightest idea how horror works. You're a clown. We don't need to know more about the engineers. The scariest thing about horror is what we don't know. There's supposed to be an element of mystery to the whole thing. If you remove the mystery, you remove the horror. Alien wasn't scary because there was a big bad alien. It was scary because it captured just how weak and feeble the human race was. It really made you feel weak and small in the vastness of the universe. The alien ship, the dead pilot, the mysterious eggs, the whole thing set up the idea that there were larger forces at work. Even the evil nature of Weyland-Yutani, a mysterious super company that you never really see, helped to create a sense of helplessness. There's also weird religious nature to the Aliens, since they were originally found in a pyramid with carvings describing their life cycle. What purpose do they serve? How are they connected to the engineers? We don't know, and we don't need to know. Horror lends itself least to sequalitis. Prequels are even worse.

The other great element to the original film was the psycho-sexual nature of the design. That disapeared after the first movie, though, and probably went over Camerons head. James Cameron removed the horror and intellect. Joss Whedon butchered the heart and story. Now Scott is hollowing out whatever was left. The original film should have been left well enough alone.

kaizen2468:
Ravenous Alien's fans will of course want more xenomorphs. I sort of agree with Ridley on this though. They've had a lot of movies already, and Prometheus scraped on their origins a bit, but it built the foundation for another story, one that I'm much more interested in seeing than another one where xenomorphs are the principal threat.

I went into seeing the movie with the clear expectation that it was not related to the aliens franchise, but could have some loose ties as a distant prequel of sorts and found the movie quite good in an intriguing way. It definitely is not your typical movie, nor is it even really a complete story of any sense in itself, and came off more as a setting of a stage.

From what I gathered by what he was saying, I think this was more or less what he was going for. And that is why I really enjoy his films... Nevertheless, I'm really looking forward to what R. Scott has to show us next.

I always kind of guessed the deacon(s) would be the primary antagonists next time. Some of the murals in the temple portray the deacons standing up and walking around bipedally, like a human/engineer would, which hints at increased intelligence over the standard xenomorph (which makes sense considering the theories that the deacon was the "pure" form of what would later be mass-produced into the xenomorph). So maybe we'll be seeing what amount to hyper-intelligent sentient xenomorphs, which would be an interesting twist on the classic formula.

Or maybe I'm just talking out my ass. Actually, I'm DEFINITELY talking out my ass.

Fox12:
Jesus, let it die. Just let it go, already, and put it out its misery.

Scott, I don't think you have the slightest idea how horror works.

I'm not sure if Prometheus was ever intended to be an outright horror film.

But as mentioned by others, the biggest problem was the god awful script. Not a single memorable character in that whole movie. In the original Alien film I remember all the characters well because they were all nicely fleshed out as real humans. Prometheus just created entities which had no depth. It was clear from very early on who was meant to die first. They practically had 'I WILL DIE' written on their heads. Poor character development indeed.

Li Mu:
Not a single memorable character in that whole movie. In the original Alien film I remember all the characters well because they were all nicely fleshed out as real humans. Prometheus just created entities which had no depth. It was clear from very early on who was meant to die first. They practically had 'I WILL DIE' written on their heads. Poor character development indeed.

Michael Fassbender pretty much carried the entire cast on his shoulders, IMHO. David was perhaps the only character worth remembering.

as long it fills up the plotholes, im happy. never the less, the first movie was still a solid sci-fi movie which i still like to watch.

Speaking of Aliens, For those who don't know Cam and Alex of Loading Ready Run Fan maybe a kind of Riff-tracks like thing for Prometheus. http://loadingreadyrun.com/lrrcasts/archive/correct/date/desc/_

When, oh when, will we see Alien Vs Predator Vs Terminator????

I know I'm setting myself up for crucifiction but...I liked Alien 3 and Colonial Marines, and consider Aliens to be on par with the original Alien.

Before the nails go into my palms, I will say that I didn't like Prometheus though, and don't consider it a good film. That said, I don't see it as being a horror film. I didn't see anything wrong with the xenomorph at the end in of itself, but I won't miss them in Paradise (actual name of the second movie).

Think of it this way - Alien is a horror film, about encountering and surviving the unknown, and indeed, part of the reason why the xenomorph is so terrifying is that it is indeed an unknown, a being that's for all intents and purposes, alien. Prometheus is, in theory, a story of discovery, of understanding the unknown. Hopefully the second film can express them competently.

Now if you excuse me, I have a cross to carry. 0_0

I liked the first one a lot, i wished i went just a bit more in depth (There's some really cool themes in there, but it could be explored a bit more.). I think it's an interesting look at religion and i like how low key it is with a lot or the dialouge, especially Daviid and Weylands part in the story. Usually most Hollywood movies would explain everything through dialouge, but here it's more through subtle lines and characters actions. It isn't without it's flaws though, could use more depth and maybe a little less action. And i really don't like that they had to show the alien in the end, it was pure fan service.

I hope they go more in depth wih the religious aspects in the sequel, it could be cool to see how it changes people now that they have met God. With that said, i have a feeling that it was meant as a stand alone movie, not sure if the symbolic ending of the first movie would benefit from a sequel. Only time will tell i guess.

Verlander:
When, oh when, will we see Alien Vs Predator Vs Terminator????

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I'm really not sure how well that would transition to film. Going by the attempts at AvP... I'm guessing poorly. AvPvT was an... odd... series.

Granted, I think I'm one of like maybe four people worldwide that actually kinda liked Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem. I fully acknowledge that it's a pretty shitty movie, and yet I still had fun. Guilty pleasure, I guess.

Tuesday Night Fever:

Verlander:
When, oh when, will we see Alien Vs Predator Vs Terminator????

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I'm really not sure how well that would transition to film. Going by the attempts at AvP... I'm guessing poorly. AvPvT was an... odd... series.

Granted, I think I'm one of like maybe four people worldwide that actually kinda liked Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem. I fully acknowledge that it's a pretty shitty movie, and yet I still had fun. Guilty pleasure, I guess.

Film's set in Earth's future. A small handful of Predators are being hunted down by the Terminators, and are lagging a little. Meanwhile a Skynet mining device unearths Alien eggs, although the facehuggers can't attach. The Predators chance upon a human hidden settlement, and violently clear them out. The Terminators appear to get the upper hand, but the surviving humans fall into the den of Alien eggs...

Or something like that. It'd be a popcorn thriller if nothing else

"The beast is done. Cooked..." "I got lucky meeting Giger all those years ago. It's very hard to repeat that. I just happen to be the one who forced it through because they said it's obscene. They didn't want to do it and I said, 'I want to do it, it's fantastic'. But after four, I think it wears out a little bit. There's only so much snarling you can do.

Right here is why I'm a bit apprehensive about Alien: Isolation. At this point the Alien is as iconic as Dracula, the monster of Frankenstein, and the Wolfman. It's overexposed. We know all its tricks and exactly what it looks like -- any dark mystery it might've once had has completely evaporated, leaving only a space bug.

Fox12:
We don't need to know more about the engineers. The scariest thing about horror is what we don't know. There's supposed to be an element of mystery to the whole thing. If you remove the mystery, you remove the horror. Alien wasn't scary because there was a big bad alien. It was scary because it captured just how weak and feeble the human race was. It really made you feel weak and small in the vastness of the universe. The alien ship, the dead pilot, the mysterious eggs, the whole thing set up the idea that there were larger forces at work. Even the evil nature of Weyland-Yutani, a mysterious super company that you never really see, helped to create a sense of helplessness. There's also weird religious nature to the Aliens, since they were originally found in a pyramid with carvings describing their life cycle. What purpose do they serve? How are they connected to the engineers? We don't know, and we don't need to know. Horror lends itself least to sequalitis. Prequels are even worse.

Yeah, pretty much. Even if Prometheus was well written and stuctured and was all around a great movie, it would've still been a failure. It's the same as making a prequel to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre that reveals the mystery behind Leatherface. Now matter how good it is it's exposing something that should be left in the dark.

Now I still kinda like Prometheus just for it visuals alone. Seriously, it's the best looking movie I've seen... probably since Blade Runner. But it was pretty much doomed right from the start.

What Prometheus 2 needs is not "No Xenomorphs", it's "No Damon Lindelof". Also, no Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, J.J. Abrams, Michael Bay or any of those losers.

kaizen2468:
Ravenous Alien's fans will of course want more xenomorphs.

As a ravenous Alien fan I couldn't disagree more. The less xenomorphs are associated with the abysmal Prometheus the better.

OT: I went to see Prometheus with fairly high hopes, but was then treated to an absolute turd of a film. Surprised it's getting a sequel, but on the plus side it's already guaranteed to be better than the original.

So...

Does this mean Mr. Scott is still planning to merge the Alien and Blade Runner story-verses? Because he seemed absolutely adamant about the idea a few years ago.

I swear, he makes me think of George Lucas. He lost whatever creative touch he had, he's confused as to what he wants to do, and his end goal seems primarily to be to ruin every franchise he was a part of.

Guh. I sincerely hope Prometheus 2 turns out better than the first. Beyond the incredible set design and cinematography, that film was a train wreck, so hopefully this means the sequel has nowhere to go but up in quality.

Li Mu:

Fox12:
Jesus, let it die. Just let it go, already, and put it out its misery.

Scott, I don't think you have the slightest idea how horror works.

I'm not sure if Prometheus was ever intended to be an outright horror film.

But as mentioned by others, the biggest problem was the god awful script. Not a single memorable character in that whole movie. In the original Alien film I remember all the characters well because they were all nicely fleshed out as real humans. Prometheus just created entities which had no depth. It was clear from very early on who was meant to die first. They practically had 'I WILL DIE' written on their heads. Poor character development indeed.

I dunno, given the way the trailers for Prometheus were built up, it was definitely working that "creepy horror in space" vibe.

And yeah, the story itself, and the structure they used to tell it were terrible. No amount of xenomorphs can save a terrible script and terrible directing.

This is good news, I feel.

While not the pinnacle of Hollywood achievement, I liked the first one. But the Deacon at the end made little to no sense. Removing that element from the sequel might help.

It is a spin off series after all. These aren't alien movies.

I have a better idea for Prometheus 2 than no xenomorphs - just don't have Prometheus 2. Seeing at the absolute butchering that Prometheus experienced through its development, I doubt that they coud put out a sincere effort that doesn't get ruined ever further.

I have never watched prometheus due to not having the right opportuntity...but seeing all this hate, i shall now download and see with thine own ears and eyes! (Perhaps tongue too, if i get any hungrier)
To be honest, the xenomorphs have been milked dry (now theres a thought), i would welcome something fresh and unknown. Also i could only count the first, alien as a horror. Though still not scary. Maybe tense? Wouldnt that be a thriller? I dont know. Anyway, film time!

Happyninja42:
I dunno, given the way the trailers for Prometheus were built up, it was definitely working that "creepy horror in space" vibe.

And yeah, the story itself, and the structure they used to tell it were terrible. No amount of xenomorphs can save a terrible script and terrible directing.

Well I thought even in the trailers the film didn't really have a horror movie aesthetic (though the aesthetic was creepy) and looked as it was going to be too action oriented with it's set pieces (exploding/falling engineer ship and the like) to be a horror film. To be fair though, I followed production a bit before the trailers and knew before I saw them that it wasn't going a horror film, so my viewing of the trailers was probably a bit biased.

As for the film itself, I liked it, there are very few attempts at hard alien based sci-fi in film, I liked the ideas that it played with and I liked that it didn't really reach any conclusions on any of them. I also wasn't really expecting any Xenomorphs to appear in the second film to begin with, so I'm not bothered by this.

Yes because the big problem with Prometheus was the Xenomorph at the end. That was the problem. Not the contrived plot, the ridiculous tropes tha laughably stupid characters and the I'm not sure I'd even call it, plot. Nope the problem with prometheus was the xenomorph.

Brilliant Ridley.

...So, instead, you're moving forward on the strength of the "Prometheus" brand...? Good luck with that.

To be fair, there were bits and pieces of Prometheus that had promise. And if you got a cast of humans that didn't immediately start acting like horror movie victims when faced with a crisis, that continued acting like competent scientists instead, it would be a good start.

But most of what we saw of the Engineers was as sub-par (and definitely sub-Xenomorph) movie monsters. Frankenstein monsters, to be more specific. The most interesting thing one of them did was to black goo himself at the beginning. Give them some motivation- preferably without spelling it out in bald exposition- and maybe they'll be on to something.

Grumman:
What Prometheus 2 needs is not "No Xenomorphs", it's "No Damon Lindelof". Also, no Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, J.J. Abrams, Michael Bay or any of those losers.

This. Damon Lindelof's fan service to JJ and JJ's awful "mystery box" (a mystery wrapped in a box clearly labelled "mystery" wrapped in another box that clearly says "mystery" - the point is the boxes, not actually solving the mystery- see Lost) is what killed Prometheus. Lindelof has done this repeatedly throughout his career, and I recommend checking out Kevin Smith's interview with DL on Comic Book Men to find out how he writes. It's very sloppy and self-indulgent. For example, Prometheus starts with what is essentially a scene setting up the Engineers as deity-like figures, sacrificing themselves so Earth can prosper. Then later, when humans wake one up, it tries to kill them because... black goo, or something. I shouldn't need a wiki to figure out what's going on in a supposedly self-contained story. And "the Engineers are a good step?" You mean those things that have no personality or really any distinguishing characteristics? Good golly, Ridley Scott has truly gone the way of classic rock bands. It's just sad at this point.

Who knows, maybe I'm just mad because I watched this thing TWICE to try and figure out what's going on before I realized there isn't really anything there.

And what is Scott talking about when he says there was no xeno in Prometheus? What exactly was that thing at the end? Sure looked like a phallic alien to me, and I'm pretty sure that's what makes Giger so distinctive, yes? It's already been established (and I checked the link up there to the Deacon - another religious reference, wth) that xenomorphs have different characteristics based on what species they come out of. I'm thinking of the Predator-Xeno here. The Deacon is an Engineer-Xeno. So actually, yeah, it is a xenoMORPH. And if it's not gonna be in the next movie, WHY WAS IT IN THE FIRST MOVIE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

I guess we're admitting it was shoe-horned in for fans of the original Alien. Cool. I hope it was worth it, because I'm refusing to see Prometheus 2 because of that. I give sci-fi movies a lot of latitude; Prometheus was poorly done, as has been stated here, so I rather had hope for a sequel. Kinda seems to me Scott still doesn't get it.

Honestly I didn't have too much of a problem with Prometheus except for the fact it felt like not much happened with it.

So, to compare and contrast...

Is it better for Ridley Scott to not understand the reason the original worked, and the latest didn't, and to just keep making new films?

Or is it better for George Lucas to not understand the reason the original worked, and the latest didn't, and to permanently alter the originals?

Ridley Scott is still the lesser of two evils, but my love affair with the Alien series begins and ends with the first two and no more.

Yes H.Rs design is one of the most beautiful creature designs ever and the thing that popped out of the Engineer is a CG mess of blandness but, it's still a Xenomorph.

Chalk me up as another one who doesn't quite get the hating on Prometheus. No, it wasn't exactly a great film; it was extremely average. But it wasn't the crime against humanity that some people seem to paint it as. It was ok, I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone but I wouldn't tell anyone interested not to see it.

Personally I think the film was just very dry. The script was relatively dull and most of the actors seemed to just phone it in. About the only people who actually seemed to try to put in some effort to their roles were Idris Elba and Michael Fassbender. With the former not having that much major screen time and the latter, as someone above put it, basically carrying the film.

While they are at it why not just scrap the engineers and everything else and just start all over from scratch. Not only was it a halfhearted link to the Alien series but it was just plain terrible standing just on it's own. These were the worst scientists ever in fiction, there are so many plot holes and idiotic moments, and the whole faith aspect was nonsense. Really it didn't do anything right...well maybe look pretty if that's really all you care about.

I think a lot of people just read the title and not the article with so many people calling the "Deacon" a xenomorph, it isn't, it never was, similar birth method but totally different species.

Semantics I know, but it could mean that while there's no xeno's, there could be more of these "Deacons".

Callate:
...And if you got a cast of humans that didn't immediately start acting like horror movie victims when faced with a crisis, that continued acting like competent scientists instead, it would be a good start.
...

That's what I disliked the most about the movie: supposed top scientists acting like the dumbest thing in the known universe.
And why the heroine decided, after all that crap, to go after the Engineers to get her answer?
Couldn't she just... I don't know... go back to earth with a super high-tech space ship, full of starmaps and crypted knowledge? Instead of... let me remember... looking after a specie she knows nothing about, which has probably gone extinct or evolved to an extreme degree for the last billion years at best?

And for what answer?
The robot already gave it at the beginning. They created us because they could. What's the point to look further than that.
No wonder the engineer goes on a rampage after meeting those "finest" humans. Their sheer stupidity must have forced him to kill them all in an act of infinite kindness. Or incredible shame.

If this second movie follows the end of the first, I cannot see why and how they hope to make something better. Shit makes shit, not gold. All we're asking is a good starship troopers with inventive xenomorphs and some lessons about darwinism. Get cameron out of his sub, and put him to work!

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