Robert Downey Jr. To Be In Cap 3, MCU To Get CRAZY

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Robert Downey Jr. To Be In Cap 3, MCU To Get CRAZY

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The Iron Man star is going to be Captain America's antagonist this time out. Yep, it's Civil War time.

Marvel's famous thriftiness may be coming to an end, as the company appears to have shelled out the necessary money to secure Robert Downey, Jr.'s services in the Marvel Cinematic Universe for a bit longer than anticipated. If this pans out, it's huge, earth-shattering news for the 2016 moviescape, and it likely has Warner Bros. looking for Depends right about now.

The news earlier today that Marvel is planning a new Civil War storyline in its line of comics? Yeah, that wasn't a coincidence. Variety is reporting that the Iron Man star is set to receive a $40 million payout to costar in Captain America 3 and what's more, it's bigger than a mere one-off. According to Variety, all of this came together after an internal fight over RDJ's desire for a role meatier than a cameo in Cap 3. That Marvel opted to pay out is interesting, particularly with the recent Jack Kirby settlement in mind. It would appear the studio is beginning to feel a bit more confident about the company finances.

Reportedly, the plan is for Cap 3 to feature some version of the Marvel Civil War as the two end up on opposite sides of the superhero registration act that requires all super-persons to get licensed by the Government, or face arrest. In the film, as in the comic story, Captain America is against it, seeing it as a violation of inherent civil rights, while Tony Stark is decidedly pro. This puts them on opposite sides of the law and essentially makes them enemies, somewhat. Further, the idea is that RDJ's new place within in the MCU could extend to future films as well. Steve Rogers supposedly goes underground along with other, as-yet unnamed superheroes by the end of Cap 3.

Note that this comes less than two weeks after a flurry of Marvel rumors suggested gigantic plans for the next 5 years. Supposedly, Marvel has been nervously eyeing the end of both Chris Evans and Robert Downey, Jr.'s contracts and is seeking a way to extend them, at least long enough for new popular characters that can ably replace Iron Man and Captain America once they're gone. One rumor held the plan might be to split Avengers 3 into two films, though that's technically illegal. However, Badass Digest ran with a rumor that the plan was to stretch things out by having an almost entirely new team of Avengers in Avengers 3, with the final appearance of the original avengers together as a group to be saved for either Avengers 4, or an even bigger crossover event involving all aspects of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

To be clear, even bigger is on the level of Secret War or The Infinity Gauntlet.

Today's news would seem to confirm that Badass Digest is correct, though with a twist. As Chris Evans has been fairly adamant about wanting to largely retire from acting once is stint playing Captain America is up, it looks like Captain America will be absent from Avengers 3 so he can be saved for a later, bigger appearance. Meanwhile, Marvel has paid the willing Robert Downey, Jr. to stick around a bit longer. Badass Digest's Devin Faraci confirms he's been sitting on today's news for a couple of weeks, adding that Cap 3 will be called either "Civil War" or "Fallen Son." We'll just quote the rest:

More than that, Marvel is looking at Cap 3 as Avengers 2.5. It's going to be another ensemble picture, and it could feature Cap's new team from the end of Age of Ultron. Last I heard (and they haven't shot this scene yet, so it could change) that team is Falcon, War Machine, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Black Widow, as well as probably The Vision (although I have been told Black Widow will not be much of a presence in Cap 3). And once again the events of a Captain America movie will reshape the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Remember when I told you Cap wouldn't be in Avengers 3? This is why. At the end of Cap 3 the Marvel Cinematic Universe will be in a tough, dark place, with the heroes scattered and defeated. That will continue through Avengers 3, and it will leave the world open to the threat of Thanos in either Avengers 4 or the big universe-wide team-up movie, whichever comes first.

How closely will Captain America 3 tie in with Avengers 3? I've been told that the Russo Brothers are in talks to direct Avengers 3 and possibly 4. Sources tell me that they're the favorites of Marvel right now and that they are the guys Kevin Feige want to pick up the mantle from Joss Whedon.

This would be what you call a huge deal.

In case you've forgotten, this is the film that Marvel used to bully Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice out of the plum May, 2016 spot Warner Bros. staked out back in 2013. WB's decision to move BvS:DOJ to March 25, 2016 looks smarter than ever, since there's no way on earth that film can beat even half an Avengers. But if it saves Warner Bros. from the humiliation of being curb-stomped by Disney and Marvel, it also means that the year will almost certainly belong to Marvel, no matter how well the Dawn of Justice performs.

Source: Variety

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Wow. They're really gonna do the Civil War. I'm expecting a lot more super heroes and villains to have cameos and be mentioned leading up to Cap3. They're gonna need a lot more characters to make it a 'war' instead of 'back alley brawl'. The details will likely be a bit different from the comics though since there aren't really secret identities. I suppose they'd still have to register. Too bad Osborn is off the table (and I think Victoria Hand is dead?), Dark Avengers was awesome.

Spaceman Spiff:
(and I think Victoria Hand is dead?)

Yeah, she died, though it'll be interesting to see how Sheild fits into the equasion given its current situation. I'll be keeping an eye on that front.

Ot:

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RossaLincoln:

Reportedly, the plan is for Cap 3 to feature some version of the Marvel Civil War as the two end up on opposite sides of the superhero registration act that requires all super-persons to get licensed by the Government, or face arrest. In the film, as in the comic story, Captain America is against it, seeing it as a violation of inherent civil rights, while Tony Stark is decidedly pro.

Isn't that a little contradictory to the Tony we've come to know in the MCU thus far? Let's not forget that he basically flipped the bird to the government the last time they asked something of him, now he's completely on their side to the point of battling a former ally over the issue?

Yeah, I really want to see this now.

WhiteTigerShiro:
Isn't that a little contradictory to the Tony we've come to know in the MCU thus far? Let's not forget that he basically flipped the bird to the government the last time they asked something of him, now he's completely on their side to the point of battling a former ally over the issue?

I had a similar thought about the MCU Stark, but I think he may have a change of heart in Avengers 2 (maybe due to the 'miraculous' twins showing up). It definitely won't be Cap'n on the registration side after Winter Soldier.

Zontar:

Spaceman Spiff:
(and I think Victoria Hand is dead?)

Yeah, she died, though it'll be interesting to see how Sheild fits into the equasion given its current situation. I'll be keeping an eye on that front.

It also just occurred to me that there's no Venom or Scorpion for Dark Avengers, no Skrulls for the Secret Invasion (though those series are only slightly related), or Fantastic Four or Spider-Man for the Civil War. There's gonna be some rewrites goin on.

I dunno how I'm supposed to sleep with all of this speculation to speculate.

Yeah, I used to think that the people of WB were just being cowards by moving their date. I figured that Captain America 3 - while certain to be good - couldn't stand up to the prospect of Batman and Superman going toe-to-toe. But damn, now that that's going to be Cap'n 3, yeah...looks like WB made a good move. :P

Honestly, these actors would be really stupid to not extend their contracts. The payout has got to be insane, they'll have consistent work, and their resume will be god-like. I fail to see the bad part of this.

OT: Yep, I'm ready for this. So ready for this.

Elfgore:
Honestly, these actors would be really stupid to not extend their contracts. The payout has got to be insane, they'll have consistent work, and their resume will be god-like. I fail to see the bad part of this.

Well in RDJ's case it's money. He's become a Hollywood A Lister since his original contract was made, so it would take a LOT more money to get him to do a movie with them now. In the case of Evans, it's due to his wanting to leave acting for directing. It's actually why I thought Ant-Man would have him take the reigns after Wright left.

Sorry but given the events of IM3 the idea that the MCU Tony Stark would be remotely pro registration is laughable.

They must be confident in getting Spiderman back if they're going with the Civil War storyline.

A lot of news stories coming out of Marvel about their movies.

I just have one request: Since you're rebooting Daredevil and Fantastic Four, can you also reboot Ghost Rider?

Civil War without Spiderman or Fantastic Four. And with the spoiler of

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Or maybe the Civil War will be short lived due to Thanos showing up and everyone saying "Screw registration!"

Will Ash be there too?

*Points to all his haphazard time-travel and battle with deadites*

ravenshrike:
Sorry but given the events of IM3 the idea that the MCU Tony Stark would be remotely pro registration is laughable.

I'm not so sure. Avengers really messed with Stark's head, and while he appears to be dealing with the personal aspects of that by the end of IM3, they could construct a plausible scenario in which Stark is reluctantly in-favour of "outing" heroes(afterall, it doesn't affect him personally, everyone's known he was Iron Man since the first movie, and he's far more aware of just how big the potential threats faced by Earth are post-Battle of New York), seeing it as a necessary evil, especially if Avengers 2 makes "miraculous" people into a big thing and the Agents of SHIELD/Skye-related speculation is actually a thing which introduces the Inhumans into the picture.

They'd have to build up to a confrontation between Cap and Stark obviously, push both character further down their respective paths, but it could work if it's well written. I'm intrigued to see where they take this.

I'm... a little confused as to why they'd be going with Civil War before they get the rights back to Spidey and the X-Men.

So Tony Stark will flip around from "you can't trust these guys" and trying to convince Captain America his superiors where power hungry gits in Avengers to an X Men style pogrom on people with super powers...

Okay.

RJ 17:
Yeah, I used to think that the people of WB were just being cowards by moving their date. I figured that Captain America 3 - while certain to be good - couldn't stand up to the prospect of Batman and Superman going toe-to-toe. But damn, now that that's going to be Cap'n 3, yeah...looks like WB made a good move. :P

This is true. I mean the two greatest superheroes of all time on screen for the first time ever in a big blow out Hollywood production. That is a big deal. However Established brands are established brands. Iron Man is arguably Marvel's biggest superheros right now even though I think the two Cap movies still out do all the Iron Man movies and Iron Man 3 kicked ass. I think though if WB can get their brand going it could be a fun game. Right now though its still like sending a lvl 5. Charmander against a lvl 100. Charizard. Just not a good idea.

My first reaction was somewhere along the lines of "NONONONONONONO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

But I've given it a little thinking, and I can see maybe where Marvel's going. 3 episodes into AoS' new season, and we've had 2 "Gifted" individuals running amok, causing trouble. Along with Hydra's plot to make supersoldiers in the previous season, I'm seeing a bit of a theme: metahumans are dangerous and need either guidance (Shield's stance) or control (Hydra's stance). Inhumans are (we believe) being pushed by Agents of Shield and possibly Agent Carter. I believe their TV season ends shortly before Avengers 2. What happens if, at the end of the season, a plot is revealed to unlock the Inhumans en masse, as a lead up to Avengers 2, where at the end it happens? Confused Gifted running around all over the planet, wreaking havoc?

At that point, you've got your ideologies set for Civil War. Captain America wants to bring the new metahumans together and help them learn to coexist peacefully, while Tony Stark sees them as a threat that need to be brought under government oversight? Hell, what if CA creates a partnership with the new SHIELD, while Tony Stark founds HAMMER? I can see potential in this, in the long term for the MCU.

Of course this is RAMPANT speculation on my part. Which does not involve the Infinity Stones, which SEEM to be the source of Scarlet Witch's and Quicksilver's power in this universe. (Although, I feel like I need a disclaimer to get something off my chest I've been holding for at least a year: LOKI'S STAFF IS NOT A FRIGGIN STONE. Could go into all sorts of reasons why that is, but I'll stick with the simplest: color coding. There are 6 colors for 6 stones. Aside from being fact, it was confirmed in Guardians, when the Collector gave us all his little history lesson: 6 stones with 6 colors are clearly shown. The stone in Loki's staff is blue. It's powered by the Tesseract. Making that blue stone another Infinity stone would just be confusing for the audience to keep track of. Sorry if I seem cross, I've just seen that speculation as taken for fact here and other places too many times and its gotten under my skin. Feels nice to let it out. Don't mean to offend, after all, I'm rampantly speculating here as well :) )

Also, despite following the Escapist for a long while, I don't think I've ever posted before. Recent... events in gaming space have encouraged me to start speaking out, just a little. So hi!

The priests were wrong, there is a god.

And I didn't think he'd show up in Cap 3, but I'm happy to find out I was wrong!

I don't think it's too inconsistent for MCU Tony Stark, depending on how they do it. He's always been someone who sees things from his perspective first and foremost. That being said:
1] He's always been open about his 'secret identity'.
2] If he is in charge of the registration, his hubris will will convince him that it will all go well when he is directing it. It is during comics Civil War that he becomes head of SHIELD. Tony Stark will believe *his* SHIELD is infallible.

Spaceman Spiff:

WhiteTigerShiro:
Isn't that a little contradictory to the Tony we've come to know in the MCU thus far? Let's not forget that he basically flipped the bird to the government the last time they asked something of him, now he's completely on their side to the point of battling a former ally over the issue?

I had a similar thought about the MCU Stark, but I think he may have a change of heart in Avengers 2 (maybe due to the 'miraculous' twins showing up). It definitely won't be Cap'n on the registration side after Winter Soldier.

A fair point. We'll see how MCU Stark develops with the movie we haven't seen yet.

Sylocat:
I'm... a little confused as to why they'd be going with Civil War before they get the rights back to Spidey and the X-Men.

Because with this year's X-men film being the most profitable comic film of the year Fox is never giving up the X-men or Fantastic Four. And anyone who suggests Sony give up Spider-man will quickly be looking for a new job.

I wonder if Banner is going to lose his friggin' mind in Avengers 2, thus needing to be exiled from Earth (since it's rumored he get shipped away, which sets the stage for Planet Hulk and World War Hulk down the line). That paired with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver presumably wreaking havoc and Stark's already close ties with SHIELD might push him towards supporting a Registration Act. Maybe he'll found HAMMER.

Sylocat:
I'm... a little confused as to why they'd be going with Civil War before they get the rights back to Spidey and the X-Men.

X-men had little to do with the CW. Most were neutral and just glad not to be the ones persecuted for a change. Spidey can be written out(possibly just swap in some other young hero), as can the Fantastic Four since they'll still have Hank Pym to back Stark if needed.

Woulda been kind of interesting if WB didn't move Batman vs Superman. Cap3 woulda been some hefty competition for it, but Cap vs Iron Man? WB wouldn't have a chance.

Ark of the Covetor:

ravenshrike:
Sorry but given the events of IM3 the idea that the MCU Tony Stark would be remotely pro registration is laughable.

I'm not so sure. Avengers really messed with Stark's head, and while he appears to be dealing with the personal aspects of that by the end of IM3, they could construct a plausible scenario in which Stark is reluctantly in-favour of "outing" heroes(afterall, it doesn't affect him personally, everyone's known he was Iron Man since the first movie, and he's far more aware of just how big the potential threats faced by Earth are post-Battle of New York), seeing it as a necessary evil, especially if Avengers 2 makes "miraculous" people into a big thing and the Agents of SHIELD/Skye-related speculation is actually a thing which introduces the Inhumans into the picture.

Stark is going to have some character defining moments in Age of Ultron, especially if he's the one who causes the catastrophe. "New York" left him shaken, and that was without any guilt over what happened. He didn't let anybody die. I think its going to be different with Ultron. Pepper may not make it out unscathed, especially if she joins the fight with her new Extremis superpowers.

I like the idea of them sharing a film. They couldn't just keep giving each character separate movies forever in between Avengers films. The civil war idea sounds okay, but for some reason I can't see Stark being into superhero registration. Though now he seems to be kinda filling in for SHIELD while Coulson rebuilds I suppose his views on national security might be changing. He used to have a very anti-establishment attitude when it came to his "powers". They were his to do with as we he pleased. I would have thought it would be the other way around. Isn't the Index essentially a shadowy superhero register?

While the civil war thing sounds kinda cool, I'd prefer to see the films focus on the build up to an Avengers finale around Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet

Also... Though Quicksilver had an awesome scene in Days of Future Past (his absence for the remainder of the film was pretty brain numbing though), I reeeeeeeeeeeally hope that they don't link the X Men canon to the MCU (it was bad enough that the film linked the canons of the old X men films to that of First Class). It wouldn't make sense! Why would a bunch of people be so anti-mutant but still love the other superheroes?

P-89 Scorpion:

Sylocat:
I'm... a little confused as to why they'd be going with Civil War before they get the rights back to Spidey and the X-Men.

Because with this year's X-men film being the most profitable comic film of the year Fox is never giving up the X-men or Fantastic Four. And anyone who suggests Sony give up Spider-man will quickly be looking for a new job.

Both Guardians and Cap 2 have this years X men beat by far in terms of how much of a profit they made. They far surpass it in revenue and each had budgets of $170 mil as opposed to X Men's $200 mil.

Nuxxy:
I don't think it's too inconsistent for MCU Tony Stark, depending on how they do it. He's always been someone who sees things from his perspective first and foremost. That being said:
1] He's always been open about his 'secret identity'.
2] If he is in charge of the registration, his hubris will will convince him that it will all go well when he is directing it. It is during comics Civil War that he becomes head of SHIELD. Tony Stark will believe *his* SHIELD is infallible.

The stage seems to be set... Stark seems to be leading global security while Coulson rebuilds SHEILD. I wonder if he knows that Coulson is alive yet... He should do by now

Supahewok:

(Although, I feel like I need a disclaimer to get something off my chest I've been holding for at least a year: LOKI'S STAFF IS NOT A FRIGGIN STONE. Could go into all sorts of reasons why that is, but I'll stick with the simplest: color coding. There are 6 colors for 6 stones. Aside from being fact, it was confirmed in Guardians, when the Collector gave us all his little history lesson: 6 stones with 6 colors are clearly shown. The stone in Loki's staff is blue. It's powered by the Tesseract. Making that blue stone another Infinity stone would just be confusing for the audience to keep track of. Sorry if I seem cross, I've just seen that speculation as taken for fact here and other places too many times and its gotten under my skin. Feels nice to let it out. Don't mean to offend, after all, I'm rampantly speculating here as well :) )

I thought it was a stone at first, but then I went back and watched the Avengers and they mention that his staff is powered by the tesseract. Wouldn't make sense for it to be a stone.

HOW are they going to do Civil War? It will have to be something other than "superhero registration", mainly because almost nobody in the current MCU even HAS a secret identity.

The world knows Tony Stark is Iron Man.
The world knows Steve Rogers is Captain America.
Thor is Thor and has no secret identity.
Bruce Banner is on the run because the government knows who he is.
Black Widow leaked all her and SHILED's personnel files to the public, so she (and Hawkeye and others) have no safe aliases.
The ONLY hero in the current MCU with a secret identity is Daredevil, and he's on a Netflix series that probably won't tie into the movies.

Civil War would have to be over something different.

Did people like Civil War? I haven't read anything from that part of marvel history, so I looked it up on Wikipedia and I don't think this looks any good at all. And the World War Hulk thing, what's that all about? I don't believe any of the characters would act they way they do, certainly not if I'm imagining the MCU versions. I do have some faith that it might be written better in the films though, they haven't done a lot of straight adaptation so far.

Also, I thought they were _already_ doing Infinity Gauntlet for Avengers 3. Frankly, I thought they were going to do it in Avengers 2 until they said Ultron would be in it. Don't just keep pushing it further back, at this rate it's not gonna happen.

This is probably the first time I've really lamented the lack of X-Men in the MCU. I liked the Civil War story line, but my absolute favorite bit was the heroes showing up on the Mutant reservation asking for help.

i wonder if an event in Age of Ultron will be the catalyst for registration. would be cool if RDJr became the head of Shield after Cap3

Timmaaaah:

P-89 Scorpion:

Sylocat:
I'm... a little confused as to why they'd be going with Civil War before they get the rights back to Spidey and the X-Men.

Because with this year's X-men film being the most profitable comic film of the year Fox is never giving up the X-men or Fantastic Four. And anyone who suggests Sony give up Spider-man will quickly be looking for a new job.

Both Guardians and Cap 2 have this years X men beat by far in terms of how much of a profit they made. They far surpass it in revenue and each had budgets of $170 mil as opposed to X Men's $200 mil.

LOL yeah your wrong http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2014&p=.htm

Trishbot:
HOW are they going to do Civil War? It will have to be something other than "superhero registration", mainly because almost nobody in the current MCU even HAS a secret identity.

The world knows Tony Stark is Iron Man.
The world knows Steve Rogers is Captain America.
Thor is Thor and has no secret identity.
Bruce Banner is on the run because the government knows who he is.
Black Widow leaked all her and SHILED's personnel files to the public, so she (and Hawkeye and others) have no safe aliases.
The ONLY hero in the current MCU with a secret identity is Daredevil, and he's on a Netflix series that probably won't tie into the movies.

Civil War would have to be over something different.

aren't there 4 different Marvel shows coming to Netflix? that could add to it if they are included (and i do think they tie in like the TV show), the Marvel U is adding new character's films after Age of Ultron (Antman for example). The TV show could add some Z listers.

Plus we've got a few films that could have actors comment that there seems to be more n more masked heroes/villans nowadays, they dont't all need to be seen on screen before Civil War

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