EVE Online Assassinations: Going Too Far?

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EVE Online Assassinations: Going Too Far?

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An assassination attempt in the middle of an EVE Online tournament once again has players debating the ups and downs of the game's boundless freedom, and whether some organized events should be excluded from the game's regular web of intrigue and machinations.

The EVE Online Alliance PvP Tournaments allow corporations to square off against one another on a level playing field, in a controlled arena with pre-established rules of engagement and a huge audience of EVE players. But they're not immune to corporation grudges, as was demonstrated during a tournament battle this past weekend between Frater Adhuc Excessum and the Honda Accord.

As the battle began, a player with the Honda Accord surprisingly attacked and destroyed his own team captain's ship, then self-destructed his own vessel. The player, it turns out, infiltrated the Accord on behalf of the Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc., which claims no beef with the Accord but wanted Issler Dainze, the target of the assassination attempt, dead for reasons of its own. "I was sent to kill Issler, whose alt is Denze," the assassin, named "Happy Joymaker," explained in a forum post. "The reasons behind it are known to the Honda Accord."

The actual success of the hit has been debated on the EVE forums: The target's ship was destroyed but Dainze wasn't podded, and the Honda Accord managed to win the combat in spite of the loss. But the more relevant question is whether or not the game's typical deviousness has a place in organized tournaments. Some players applauded the assassination attempt, the first ever to take place in a PvP Tournament, while others were unhappy that in-game conflicts could spill over into a tournament designed to take place outside the regular EVE setting. For its part, EVE Online developer CCP has remained quiet on the matter.

EVE Online takes a lot of grief for being a "spreadsheet simulator," a hardcore, numbers-driven MMOG in which productivity trumps fun. But CCP's hands-off approach has also created a unique environment in which players are free to do as they wish, and every now and then that freedom results in some awfully creative bad behavior. The most famous example, of course, is the Guiding Hand Social Club's devastating infiltration of the Ubiqua Seraph, but smaller-scale intrigues abound. Does CCP have an obligation to draw a line in the sand, or is this just another case of gamers getting what they wished for?

Source: Massively

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That is awesome. The people who dreamed that up deserve a medal for sheer audacity.

CCP have decided to keep their admining hands off, perhaps in future tournaments the players should just beef up the security checks, as in the real world.

I shouldn't say that but that sounds awesome.

Edit: Hmm I'm a Gone Gonzo now. That sucks.

We have been shown time and time again that politics and professional competition do not mix. I think the guild involved in the assassination should be banned as a whole to set an example. (Mind you I do not play the game myself. I find it too tedious. That and no pet class. :P) If an example is not made soon then soon no one will want to play in the tournaments as no one likes a "Beserker Pawn".

I think it's a rather pitiful attempt to disgrace them. The Honda Accord don't care, they won and didn't get podded. It was more annoying than anything. But hey, whatever floats yer boat. They're no Guiding Hand...

Wow, that's actually cool. No they shouldn't be banned...

Bringing spies, politics and such in a MMO is awesome.

Gormourn:
Wow, that's actually cool. No they shouldn't be banned...

Bringing spies, politics and such in a MMO is awesome.

My thoughts exactly. It just makes the whole thing much more interesting.

Who doesn't like some political intrigue in their MMO?

I see a big news-y post full of story and the corresponding opinions thereof...

And all I can think is, what an over glorified griefer, because that's really all it was, a childish griefing attempt. I suppose it could be called an "assassination attempt" but, really, it was just some guy going out of his way for a grudge.

[edit] I can see him getting banned if he made a new account for this, that's a common griefer attempt. However if it was pulled using actual diplomacy, like changing sides back and forth with a character that actually matters... Then no, don't ban 'em I guess, it was still immature griefing but at least he did it through the right channels? I dunno what I'm saying.

Vlane:
I shouldn't say that but that sounds awesome.

Edit: Hmm I'm a Gone Gonzo now. That sucks.

Why does that suck? On topic, that sounds awesome.

As awesome as it is, I believe the official PvP Tournaments etc, should be excluded from this kind of shit.

I believe that people are taking this game way to seriously...

I have to give some props for the nefariousness of the guy

I'm actually considering giving EVE a look in now. That sounds awesome.

Tis epic

Malygris:
"The reasons behind it are known to the Honda Accord."

Evil, all-knowing car! Hell, if they're going to name a corporation that, I'm going to create a clan named the TVR Cerbera or the MG B or something like that. That would be so much cooler.

This is one of the things that draws me to EVE (Note:Still don't actually play it), the endless freedom players have when it comes to rules in general really.

Yuriatayde:
I see a big news-y post full of story and the corresponding opinions thereof...

And all I can think is, what an over glorified griefer, because that's really all it was, a childish griefing attempt. I suppose it could be called an "assassination attempt" but, really, it was just some guy going out of his way for a grudge.

[edit] I can see him getting banned if he made a new account for this, that's a common griefer attempt. However if it was pulled using actual diplomacy, like changing sides back and forth with a character that actually matters... Then no, don't ban 'em I guess, it was still immature griefing but at least he did it through the right channels? I dunno what I'm saying.

You can actually have multiple accounts in EvE-online, you even get a discount if you pay for several at a time, you can also play as many eve clients at once too. This allows people to have their own fleets of miners controlled by a single person. (But quite dangerous too, as you have to split your control over all of them should you get attacked.

I play EvE on and off, and I think this is quite interesting, they'd be perfectly within reason and within game lore to make up some addtitional security. I don't know the exact fluff behind the tournament, buts its the Amarr Emperer or Jovians that do it so they can watch and such, would be reasonable to create high level police drones ready to attack any thing that tried to de-rail the tourny.

Oh and to whoever said there isnt a pet class. There is. They're called drones ;)

It always sounds like Eve gets all the fun, despite I find it incredibly boring.

All is fair in love and war?

So far that's the coolest thing I've heard happen in an MMO

I personally was involved in a battle that resulted in a freighter fleet being destroyed to the tune of 5000 dollars in ISK at the time. We cackled like witches on our Teamspeak server for days.

Gosh all these Eve shenanigans make me want to play but I can't get into it.

Grenbyron:
We have been shown time and time again that politics and professional competition do not mix. I think the guild involved in the assassination should be banned as a whole to set an example. (Mind you I do not play the game myself. I find it too tedious. That and no pet class. :P) If an example is not made soon then soon no one will want to play in the tournaments as no one likes a "Beserker Pawn".

Its EVE. Spying, Berserker, Scams, Thieves, Politics, Insults and almost everything else that is a banable offence in most MMO's is perfectly legit. They will not ban Honda Accord. Ignoring the fact they would be banning hundreds of players, they would also be going against everything EVE is supposed to be. The whiplash would be huge.

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Man, I'd really like to put my insight into this topic. But I laugh my ass off everytime i read the Title.

Online....Assasinations?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHA oh lord that's funny.
People take EVE too seriously.

That guy is a true ninja. He infiltrated his target's organization, got close to him, and then when he least expected it, turned around and assassinated him. It's beautiful, really.

Evilbunny:
That guy is a true ninja. He infiltrated his target's organization, got close to him, and then when he least expected it, turned around and assassinated him. It's beautiful, really.

That's nothing in comparison to some of the other things that happen in that game. Go back up to the OP and click on the link in one the last paragraphs, the one titled "devastating infiltration". The scenario described in that article makes this assassination attempt look like child's play.

Whoa, epic. This almost makes me want to play it... Almost.

I can just imagine the poor Captain's face:
"Oh it seems Joymaker's ship is getting awfully close OH GOD ITS FIRING AH!!!" *sounds of crackling radio*

Wow that's awesome, but it still doesn't make EVE any more exciting than calculus.

Gormourn:
Wow, that's actually cool. No they shouldn't be banned...

Bringing spies, politics and such in a MMO is awesome.

This. EVE has given unprecedented freedom to the players to build their own world; since this is the first occurrence, you can bet that there will be much tighter security at the next tournament. There are already massive fleets with capital ships, Titans, cruisers, dreadnoughts, etc; throwing in some security wouldn't be hard for these highly organized groups.

In fact, someone should start a security corporation for these events, start out small, and grow in size enough to attract some big contracts, get the proper gear to enforce the security, and show up for these events. If you did it right, you wouldn't even need enemies (at least, on the surface) because you would be everyone's client, and everyone would have a stake in your well-being...unless you're trying to pull off an assassination attempt.

Physical security in the tournaments is as absolute as it can be: The developers are the ones organizing the tournament. But the player corporations are responsible for their own team. They pick the participants. If you want to keep assassins out, make sure that your background checks are up to par. That said, the more professinal infiltrators in EvE are incredibly patient, willing to spend months building up a new character from ground up to make it seem like a perfect recruit for the target corporation. You might have been flying with the traitor for months without any incidents before his guns turn on you.

I somehow think I'm the only one old enough to remember the successful assassination of Lord British in Ultima Online.

Hearing the stories like these about EVE is the only thing thats tempting me to play.
If they ban stuff like this it will go back to being plain old boring MMO, so I say keep it in, because it's epic.

Grenbyron:
We have been shown time and time again that politics and professional competition do not mix. I think the guild involved in the assassination should be banned as a whole to set an example. (Mind you I do not play the game myself. I find it too tedious. That and no pet class. :P) If an example is not made soon then soon no one will want to play in the tournaments as no one likes a "Beserker Pawn".

Drone Boats.

I watched the match and was though it was just a mix up until I got the news. Epic Win. It's things like these that make EVE the truly unique game it is and why many of us love it so.

This game just went up a notch in my books (Notch 1 now), but the ability of actually sneaking, spying and assassinating in total freedom is awesome. They shouldn't be banned, as the teams should be vigilent of who they allow on thier teams. Kudos to the assassin, all is fair in love and war!

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