Nolan Calls Marvel-Bashing Quote "Inaccurate" - Update

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ticklefist:
Marvel movies are just a manufactured product. The McDouble of the movie industry.

Boom, roasted. And pretty much accurate.

OP: Bob, stop reading into that too much; it doesn't really matter. Nolan isn't the type of person who buys tickets for the MCU films*, and this isn't half as scathing as what people like Confused Matthew have (rightly) said about the enterprise. I would stop generating clickbait, but it feels sort of hollow since I did indeed click on it and am writing this comment. Whatever, keep on doing what you do I guess.

tl;dr: Just because Christopher Nolan made good superhero movies and doesn't care for bland ones doesn't mean you have to freak the fuck out.

*- The Michael Bay AudienceTM is. (Oh snap!)

V4Viewtiful:
\but the statement was general enough to hit the Marvel films with no actual explanation. It's to broad a statement to make of a film technique mostly used by (in a certain way) his competitors. And even if it wasn't maybe some other director should tell Nolan that films that uses filters like blue, orange and grey aren't films? It amounts to the same thing.

Except...no it wasn't. It was a specific response to a very narrow question.

Bob and other Marvel fans are taking umbrage over nothing. They're looking for a reason to lash back at a comment that wasn't targeted at them.

Try reading the actual interview and not Bob's interpretation of it. You'll better understand what it was Nolan was getting at.

Marvel movies are largely too formulaic and are taking too long to get to the climactic infinity gauntlet nonsense. Also the real thanos of titan would never push pawns to get his infinity stones but rather do it himself. End comic book guy rant.

Vigormortis:

V4Viewtiful:
\but the statement was general enough to hit the Marvel films with no actual explanation. It's to broad a statement to make of a film technique mostly used by (in a certain way) his competitors. And even if it wasn't maybe some other director should tell Nolan that films that uses filters like blue, orange and grey aren't films? It amounts to the same thing.

Except...no it wasn't. It was a specific response to a very narrow question.

Bob and other Marvel fans are taking umbrage over nothing. They're looking for a reason to lash back at a comment that wasn't targeted at them.

I agree on the question but not the answer, I wouldn't want him to adopt a Marvel style (i like variety) but "real movies don't do that" seems like a overstatement. What is a "Real Movie"? if it's so ridged. But then text rarely conveys tone. Maybe he was joking? or being facetious, if so the writer sucks.

Click bait is click bait.

Lethos:
I feel like you're extrapolating a lot here. But any excuse to go after a guy who's films you don't like, right?

My thoughts exactly. Bob will take a pot shot at DC every chance he gets, even if he has nothing to go on. Which is most of the time.

While I feel it was a little snipe at Marvel, but also something blown way out of proportion, I can kind of agree. In my not so humble opinion, superhero movies (Nolan's included) are to film what Call of Duty is to games: Formulaic, guaranteed hits that require little effort on the creators' or the audience's part. And now we can add constantly churning out at a yearly rate to the comparison pile. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go down into my bunker and wait out several shitstorms at once.

LysanderNemoinis:
While I feel it was a little snipe at Marvel, but also something blown way out of proportion, I can kind of agree. In my not so humble opinion, superhero movies (Nolan's included) are to film what Call of Duty is to games: Formulaic, guaranteed hits that require little effort on the creators' or the audience's part. And now we can add constantly churning out at a yearly rate to the comparison pile. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go down into my bunker and wait out several shitstorms at once.

Unfortunately, unlike CoD, saying anything bad about the MCU is akin to sacrilige. Heck, it's arguably even more bloated than CoD because CoD at least keeps itself to one installment per year.

Anyway, I'd say more, but, well, what else is there to say about the MCU that hasn't been said already? "Ugh." That's all I feel inclined to say about it now. :(

Edit: After skimming through the article, I have to ask, why is this even a thing? The article is about Interstellar. Out of everything the article discusses, a single line is what Movie Bob picks up on to make an article here? Is the Marvel-DC rivalry so shallow that this is what it's come to? Granted, I'm not a superhero fan - I'll like a superhero movie based on whether it's good or not, not whatever its continuity may be, so I'm not one to comment but...seriously?

V4Viewtiful:
I agree on the question but not the answer, I wouldn't want him to adopt a Marvel style (i like variety) but "real movies don't do that" seems like a overstatement. What is a "Real Movie"? if it's so ridged. But then text rarely conveys tone. Maybe he was joking? or being facetious, if so the writer sucks.

Could be. And I agree. As I'd said earlier, I kind of agree with his sentiment, but I think he might've been able to word it better.

Christopher Nolan can get over his dark and gritty self.

Master Taffer:
Well, that's certainly a snotty response.

Eh. I think it as funny. Possibly even just attempted as a bit of humour.

And this is from someone not too impressed with Nolan overall.

RJ Dalton:
By "real movie" I assume he means "movie I have any interest in making."

When Is he going to make a real movie?

Real Movies should not get a tag scene... and, unrelatedly, Man of Steel also didn't have one...

He may not have thought it was tasteful, or perhaps he's pissed he didn't do it first... We're talking comic book movies anyway, they are what they are. I love them and the stingers get me every time because they're little tidbits for hardcore fans. Its not like Marvel did it first either, there are a few non-Marvel movies that do this.

ticklefist:
Marvel movies are just a manufactured product. The McDouble of the movie industry.

Pretty much this. I have no great love for the artificial, production line, anti art nature of modern cinema. It's emberasing, and frankly, I can't blame someone for taking umbridge with modern Hollywood. These movies are getting old.

Nolan knows what he's talking about. Real directors don't add post credit scenes. Real directors rip off satoshi kon and win tons of academy awards. Just ask aronofsky.

....

Ok, so maybe Nolan isn't the best person to make this criticism.

Vigormortis:

Lethos:
I feel like you're extrapolating a lot here. But any excuse to go after a guy who's films you don't like, right?

Of course he is. He has some personal vendetta against Nolan and isn't above using needlessly misleading headlines to get a rise out of Marvel fans.

If there's one thing the "clique" of this forum loves to hate just as much as #GamerGate, Steam, Call of Duty, and DC Movies, it's Christopher Nolan.

Nolan was asked about post-credit stingers; notably in the context of stingers designed to be ads for out-of-series films. And in that context, I partly agree with him. He probably could have worded his comment a bit better, but I understand what he was trying to say.

He by no means said Marvel's current crop of films aren't real films.

This is just low, Bob. You're better than this.

I know this is a little off-topic but...

Escapist... hates... Steam...???????

One of the biggest hideouts for the PC MASTER RACE on the entire internet (which isn't easy, mind you)... hates Steam...

THE SITE THAT VOTED VALVE AS DEVELOPER OF THE YEAR SO MANY TIMES... hates... Steam...

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Who cares? Well, except Bob. Marvel fanboi of the century. "Grrr...someone didn't accord enough praise to Marvel or Whedon...dat makes me maaaad!"
Upon which, Bob puts on his Hulk fists and stomps around his apartment shouting, "BOB SMASH!"

But, to answer your intial question, "Did Christopher Nolan Say Marvel Films Are Not Real Movies?"
No. No he didn't. Misleading the masses, Bob; you Marvel loving Ilya Ehrenburg. He clearly didn't say anything of the sort.
Actually, comparing Bob to Ilya Ehrenburg is misleading in itself, since Ehrenburg was actually skilled at what he did. I'd say that Bob is the Escapists very own Glenn Beck.

Bob's a total hack writer.

Man who hates fun confirmed for still hating fun.

You jelly brah? Do we need to send you to the jelly school? The Nolan Batman movies were top notch, but from everythin else I've seen, dc can't make a movie universe, it a decent non-Nolan movie. Just my infallible opinion though.

I don't think people should take this one too seriously. First of all by "real movie" he probably meant "serious" or "artsy" movie, and second it doesn't sound he was being completely serious, just making a jab at a type of movie other than what he likes to make.

I wouldnt take his comment seriously the same way I dont take Hollywood seriously. I kinda agree with the opinion of Marvel movies being shallow though. The dance number and human chain crap they pulled in GotG really broke the camel's back for me.

Pretty sure he's just saying that he doesn't like putting what are essentially commercials at the end of his movies. Also, he doesn't force you to sit through the credits. I don't think he means that they aren't actually real movies, just that real movies shouldn't do it.

Edit: Also, seeing as this thread seems to be devolving in a certain direction, I'd just like to remind everyone that it is perfectly reasonable to like both Marvel and DC movies. Holy shit, right?! Get this, I really liked Nolan's Batman trilogy (the first two especially), but I also like a lot of the Marvel movies (Guardians of the Galaxy is my favourite so far).

Why do so many of you feel the need to either like the dark Nolan films, or the more lighthearted Marvel films? It's okay to enjoy both from time to time! I know I'd get tired if I only watched one type of superhero movie. Maybe that's just me...

deathbydeath:

ticklefist:
Marvel movies are just a manufactured product. The McDouble of the movie industry.

Boom, roasted. And pretty much accurate.

OP: Bob, stop reading into that too much; it doesn't really matter. Nolan isn't the type of person who buys tickets for the MCU films*, and this isn't half as scathing as what people like Confused Matthew have (rightly) said about the enterprise. I would stop generating clickbait, but it feels sort of hollow since I did indeed click on it and am writing this comment. Whatever, keep on doing what you do I guess.

tl;dr: Just because Christopher Nolan made good superhero movies and doesn't care for bland ones doesn't mean you have to freak the fuck out.

*- The Michael Bay AudienceTM is. (Oh snap!)

Confused Matthew got it right imho. if you hate kissing ass and being treated like shit, Hollywood's not the place for you.

I can't be mad at the guy, I have seen Inception at least 30 times (hell, I am watching it right now) and I have reenacted the pencil scene for my friends quite often. He just comes from a different school of storytelling, can't blame him for having an honest opinion. What somebody here said about spaghetti is the closest comparison I can think of.

Edit: Come to think of it, the term 'real movie' is an extremely volatile and subjective one, Once Upon A Time in America forced Leone to retire because it got shit on through cuts and bad reviews back in the day and now people consider it a masterpiece. Change, then some more change and then change again.

Fox12:

ticklefist:
Marvel movies are just a manufactured product. The McDouble of the movie industry.

Pretty much this. I have no great love for the artificial, production line, anti art nature of modern cinema. It's emberasing, and frankly, I can't blame someone for taking umbridge with modern Hollywood. These movies are getting old.

Nolan knows what he's talking about. Real directors don't add post credit scenes. Real directors rip off satoshi kon and win tons of academy awards. Just ask aronofsky.

....

Ok, so maybe Nolan isn't the best person to make this criticism.

Oh but there is still artsy cinema out there but looking for this kind of cinema at Hollywood is sort of pointless. If art is what you want, try european and especially french cinema. And when you get sick of that, you will go back to Hollywood and so on and so forth. It's a phase. And a cycle. Try The Untouchables, it's awesome.

Marvel may be part of an industry that loves making things blow up but they have managed to create cinema properties from nothing, most people never knew Thor even existed. Compared to artsy cinema in Europe, low budget films never take chances and always play it safe. Me, I like a franchise that shakes things up and introduces the next big thing all the time. I can only see the same film about romance, disability and drug abuse one too many times.

RedDeadFred:
Why do so many of you feel the need to either like the dark Nolan films, or the more lighthearted Marvel films? It's okay to enjoy both from time to time! I know I'd get tired if I only watched one type of superhero movie. Maybe that's just me...

Maybe it's because some people feel that being in the middle is like like driving into the middle wall between two tunnels. I try to have Shadowcat in the backseat with me.

I'm with Nolan on this one. Never understood the need for a scene (or two) after the end credits, especially if it's important. I mean: if it's so important why ''hide'' it there?

The fact that some hardcore Marvel-fans are butthurt over a harmless potshot is just a nice extra.

Funny how it goes, though. Nolan used to be something like a hero to geeks what with The Dark Knight and its widespread acclaim. I guess Nolan lived long enough to see himself become the villain...

I can see where he is coming from. If they wanted people to see it they would have put it in the movie before the credits. There is nothing wrong with them as they are harmless. The only issue is that theater workers hate it as the credits is normally when they go in to attempt to clean the theater.

Before it was a small number of people who would stay to the end to get their money's worth. I typically stayed to the end because I'm not fond of traffic so I wait for the credits to end and then I don't have to walk in the sea of people trying to leave and there is not a lot of people in line for the restroom. But now it seems like every movie I go to half the theater stays because they don't want to miss out.

Credits bonuses were always kinda nice for the people who want to sit through it, but it wasn't a punishment for the people who did not stay. It was stuff like behind the scenes footage, or a blooper reel.

LarsInCharge:
I know this is a little off-topic but...

OP is already widely off-topic. The whole "news" is misconstrued from an article about Nolan's new movie Interstellar. Bob decided to misquote the guy because bait gets clicks and he never loses a chance to badmouth DC on the flimsiest of excuses.

I bet you he'll make it a point to have some sort of backhanded attack on Nolan - even the tiniest, littlest comment - when he talks about Interstellar on Friday.

Zachary Amaranth:
When Is he going to make a real movie?

He's already made 10 very real movies and earned 3 very real Oscar nominations along the way. Granted most of his movies that aren't Batman-related rely on some sort of narrative hocus pocus to elevate themselves above the average blockbuster. Memento is told backwards, Prestige has unreliable narration, Inception is a Chinese box of continuums... but I think he's a very good director. He's ambitious, he comes up with his own scripts for his own projects and is always pushing some sort of new ground. And Interstellar, for all its pretense, is a very good movie. Probably his most personal and humane too.

ticklefist:
Marvel movies are just a manufactured product. The McDouble of the movie industry.

I would compare them to a Costco pizza. Manufactured on an assembly line, sure, but damn do they hit the spot.

Uriel_Hayabusa:
I'm with Nolan on this one. Never understood the need for a scene (or two) after the end credits, especially if it's important. I mean: if it's so important why ''hide'' it there?

The fact that some hardcore Marvel-fans are butthurt over a harmless potshot is just a nice extra.

Funny how it goes, though. Nolan used to be something like a hero to geeks what with The Dark Knight and its widespread acclaim. I guess Nolan lived long enough to see himself become the villain...

Nolan kept on doing the job well past he was interested in it. Batman Begins and Dark Knight were projects that, at the very least, he was interested in. Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel were Nolan being paid enough money so his name could be on the poster. And I can respect that. He wanted a net worth of $150 million so he sold his name to the highest bidder. And that is fine. I would certainly do the same thing in his place.

But if he wanted respect as a serious artist he should have either been more choosy about his projects or he shouldn't have phoned it in. You don't get to make Dark Knight Rises and then make snide quips about how you make "real" movies. Or rather you can do it, but it makes you an ass.

RedDeadFred:
I'd just like to remind everyone that it is perfectly reasonable to like both Marvel and DC movies. Holy shit, right?!

I agree with this sentiment but I think people naturally go to either direction because that's what they enjoy.

For me, I prefer the nolan movies because they had drama whereas the marvel movies seem to be heavily action based. It's fine to like either but I think this might be a rare cause where people just go towards what they like instead of an us vs them mentality. Except moviebob for some reason, who seems to be the only one going on and on about how terrible dc movies, including the batman trilogy are.

I dunno, maybe there is more hosility then I realized *reads thread* ...

I for one have always enjoyed end credit bits. It's an intelligent way to get people to stay through the credits, I also like what marvel has done with them. Using them as the first teaser for the next movie is brilliant.

I like waiting through the credits for my Post Credits treat.

It reminds me just how many people it took to provide my entertainment.
A really good Anti-Piracy tactic in my view.

I can respect that post-credit stingers aren't the way Nolan likes to makes movies, it's just not his style. Marvel makes it work and honestly most of them would be awkward 'ends' to any of the movies they've been in so it's their trademark. A little flourish at the end of the signature.

What I can't respect is the notion of 'real films don't do that'. That is elitist horseshit that honestly, I thought a man like him would be above.

You know what a real director wouldn't do? Talked shit to another rival films to yours behind their back than face to face!

Is he really still butthurt about it? First it was that complain about the Avenger movie scene and now this!

Man, I was never a fan of Movie Bob, but I didn't think the day where he would resort to making click-bait articles would actually come.

I just want movies to be enjoyable. I couldn't care less what it's actually about as long as it's done well, the acting is good, and it makes me feel something that isn't anger over a stupid decision made by the director.

Gordon_4:
I can respect that post-credit stingers aren't the way Nolan likes to makes movies, it's just not his style. Marvel makes it work and honestly most of them would be awkward 'ends' to any of the movies they've been in so it's their trademark. A little flourish at the end of the signature.

What I can't respect is the notion of 'real films don't do that'. That is elitist horseshit that honestly, I thought a man like him would be above.

I read the entire article, which was a really good read.

However, it really didn't come across the way this article represents.

It seemed to me that what was said when asked was "A real movie wouldn't just take what's popular in other movies and use it".

The entire tone of the article is so different to this one that it doesn't come off as a jab at all in my opinion.

ticklefist:
Marvel movies are just a manufactured product.

Aren't all movies manufactured product?

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