Star Wars Episode VII Title Announced

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Brian Tams:
The thing that irritates me about the title is how non-specific and generic it is.

Like, the previous movies (all 6 of 'em) had names that were more or less specific, with the least specific being Episode IV: A New Hope.

The Phantom Menace
The Empire Strikes Back
The Revenge of the Sith
The Return of the Jedi

The above titles would at least give me some idea about what the movie was about, or at least the tone it was going for.

But this? I have no idea. Which leads me to believe that JJ is doing his fucking myster box mumbo-jumbo shit again.

Really?

Gee, I dont know, maybe now for a long time there wasnt any jedi/sith conflict, therefore the force was "sleeping" (or dormant for the use of a better word) and now that conflict as "awoken" for the events of the new trilogy.

For fuck sakes, its the usual Star Wars title, is everyone just complaining because they have to by now?

EDIT: Really, what does "JJ is doing his fucking myster box mumbo-jumbo shit again" have to do with anything, the title is really clear on what it is.

dragongit:

Brian Tams:
The thing that irritates me about the title is how non-specific and generic it is.

Like, the previous movies (all 6 of 'em) had names that were more or less specific, with the least specific being Episode IV: A New Hope.

The Phantom Menace
The Empire Strikes Back
The Revenge of the Sith
The Return of the Jedi

The above titles would at least give me some idea about what the movie was about, or at least the tone it was going for.

But this? I have no idea. Which leads me to believe that JJ is doing his fucking myster box mumbo-jumbo shit again.

I dont' know anything about the plot of the movie, but as far as I'm aware being a force user was pretty rare in the Star Wars main trilogy, hell there was only 5 roughly in the first 3 movies, unlike the swarm there was in the prequels, and with the wipe of the extended universe we don't know how many are actually left. Maybe it's some sort of surge of force users becoming active or discovering their powers. A new age of Jedi and Sith.

Did you think it will be about Avatar Luke causing a Harmonic Convergence and suddenly there will be a whole bunch of new force benders?

Aren't odd-numbered movies supposed to be something evil?

That's Star TREK, as for the name meh who cares it's the combination and context of the name alongside the content of the movie, who knows in a years time we may look back and think that movie was f*cking awesome and the name just fit just right.

Silvianoshei:
Wow. That's...bleeding awful. Yeesh. I think I used that line in foreplay at some point.

They might as well have just called it STAR WARS: REVELATIONS instead.

Agreed. It's so . . . I mean, for one, it's a title that tells us absolutely nothing about what's going on in the story. Episode 1: The Phantom Menace - There is a hidden enemy threatening us.
Episode 2: Attack of the Clones - Admittedly stupid, but it tells us that there will be clones and they will be attacking.
Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith - The Sith are going to rise from power, gaining revenge for being nearly destroyed in the past.
Episode 4: A New Hope - After a long period of oppression, there is a new hope for the Galaxy.
Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back - The empire is retaliating for what the rebels did in the previous movie.
Episode 6: Return of the Jedi - The Jedi, having nearly been driven to extinction, are going to come back and fix the problem.
Episode 7: The Force Awakens - . . . um, what? It doesn't feel like it belongs. It feels utterly generic for a series where all of the titles were, by design, sort of generic. I suppose that's an accomplishment, it its own, incredibly brain-damaged way.

I ok with that since wasn't the original title had shadow or dark words in it?

You know what this title really makes me think of?

Luke shouting at that Darth Vader helmet: "Father... father, the sleeper has awakened!"

Well, it follows the naming pattern for Star Wars subtitles. That's the only positive thing I can say about it.

AgentLampshade:
Well, a better title would've been "The Awakening of the Force" but eh. It's okay.

Nonono, X of the Y can only be used for every third movie. The naming pattern! You gotta stick to the naming pattern!!!!!

First film = 3 word title: The Phantom Menace, A New Hope
Second film = something, something, violence: Attack of the Clones, The Empire Strikes Back
Third film = X of the Y: Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi

Wait, what do you mean Episode 2 also fits X of the Y? Oh. Well, uh...

(In case it isn't clear I'm mocking the hardcore fanboy's adherence to tradition here.)

All of the Star Wars subtitles are terrible when you think about it.
Maybe they're just keeping with tradition?

They're just jealous that The New Jedi Order got the awesome finale title "The Unifying Force" and there was nothing they could do to beat it.

Really, this was the best name they could come up with? This is the most generic name possible. Am I the only one here who fears that the new Star Wars movies will just be generic action moves with flashy CGI? I mean sure the Star Wars prequels may not have been good movies in the traditional sense, but at least they were memorable.

sounds like you've all been mystery-boxed. People are now asking "was it asleep!?

Silvianoshei:
Wow. That's...bleeding awful. Yeesh. I think I used that line in foreplay at some point.

They might as well have just called it STAR WARS: REVELATIONS instead.

It's cheesy, but not really any worse than the others. Remember the originals used words like "REVENGE" and "RETURN" and "MENACE".

So, this title doesn't bother me.

You see, I would have gone with a new new hope.

Or an even NEWER hope.

Or how Leigha got her groove back.

Hell, you can call it yoda's guide to genital warts, just change the tital. I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand we have no CGI, which is good. On the other hand we have Disney and JJ Abrams.... Which is slightly worse then bad.

The_Darkness:
I... Ouch. Really, ouch.

You mean the Force was sleeping throughout the previous movies? If so, it can do some pretty impressive stuff in its sleep...

If you were paying attention during the original trilogy, and at the end of the prequels, there were extremely few Jedi left, possibly as few as one by the end of Return of the Jedi. Prior to the prequels, there were many Jedi throughout the Galaxy.

So the re-emergence of the Jedi (and Sith?) in larger numbers is probably the sort of awakening they mean

hermes200:

Brian Tams:
The thing that irritates me about the title is how non-specific and generic it is.

Like, the previous movies (all 6 of 'em) had names that were more or less specific, with the least specific being Episode IV: A New Hope.

The Phantom Menace
The Empire Strikes Back
The Revenge of the Sith
The Return of the Jedi

The above titles would at least give me some idea about what the movie was about, or at least the tone it was going for.

But this? I have no idea. Which leads me to believe that JJ is doing his fucking myster box mumbo-jumbo shit again.

We still have no idea about the plot of the new movie.

If I have to guess (and this is only a guess based on the title), there is going to be an event that will awake the force in hundreds or thousands of people in the universe, and the heroes are going to race against the clock to identify and recruit the new jedis before a new threat (maybe a new sith lord) beats them to it and creates an army of dark force users...

Something similar to the third season of Legend of Korra.

Or the X-Men. In all likelihood, one of the people recruiting the new force users will be a charismatic, yet scary individual with a cloak and helmet. "Join us, my force users, in our brotherhood of evil....errr dark force users!"

There are 2 facts.

One: after throwing out the expanded universe there was absolutely zero chance that anything they did was going to make fans happy. They should just accept this and be a little quiet rather than being what ever JJ's strange form of screaming quiet is.

Two: No one asked for them to ban CGI use in the film, just to not get ridiculous with it. In regards to effects, episode one wasn't bad because it had too much CG, it was bad because they relied so much on CG that it practically became a cartoon. Goofy animations and over the top use of CG sets made the film seem even more dated than the original. I think their insistence that them just throwing out the book on CGI is silly. Just be sensible with it.

Works for me. Nothing great like the force unleashed but easily better than many of the subtitles we've had in the past. Let's be realistic here...the subtitles have NEVER been great with this franchise.

- Star Wars: A new hope. I'm not about to claim that this was some kind of glorious thought provoking captivating title that made me want to watch that movie. A new hope tells me nothing as the first film in this franchise. It works better following episode 3 but that's not the order the movies were released.

- The Empire Strikes Back is pretty generic especially how weak they are made to look after episode 4.
- Return of the Jedi was actually a pretty compelling name for anyone whose seen the prior films. That one is a win.

- The Phantom Menace...really? Easily the worst title of the bunch. Sets a tone of being a movie for kids/young adults so I guess that works.

- Attack of the Clones...another solid title as it invokes a level of interest all on it's own. Too bad it's attached to what is by far the worst of all six episodes.

- Revenge of the Sith. See Empire strikes back. Somewhat generic but worded in a way that makes it a little more intriguing.

The moral of the subtitles? If it sounds pretty awesome then the movie won't be.

The Force Awakens implies to me that it's being passed on to others and growing from it's collapsed state at the end of Episode 6. It implies that both jedi and sith are in a state of resurgence after a period of obscurity. In other words...the dust has settled, peace has ended, things are about to get interesting.

Force has been napping for thirty years :P oh teh lol's.

Anyone else sad to see that the Force will supposedly feature heavily in this film? Looking back, I really preferred Luke when he fought with a blaster and an X-Wing.

Excuse me, Mister Abrams, but the last Star Wars projects that had titles beginning with "The Force" were a half-decent hack-and-slash and its BAD sequel. Everyone's nervous enough about how this movie will turn out with you at the helm as it is.

The Phantom Menace had the best title of the bunch - it's a tough one to beat. "The Force Awakens" does not pull it off. Like, what the hell does it even mean?

Star Wars The Force Awakens, Hits Snooze Button And Sleeps Another 5'

TheMemoman:
Star Wars: Dawn of Force-tice
Star Wars: Good Morning Force-nam
Star Wars: A New Awakening
Star Wars: Begin Again by Force

I guess midichlorians have sleep cycles.

Star Wars: The Darth Vader Rises

I am disappoint that title wasn't thought of.

Fox12:
You see, I would have gone with a new new hope.

Or an even NEWER hope.

Or how Leigha got her groove back.

Hell, you can call it yoda's guide to genital warts, just change the tital. I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand we have no CGI, which is good. On the other hand we have Disney and JJ Abrams.... Which is slightly worse then bad.

Tell me how having Disney involved is worse than bad? J.J i can see why people hate him, But Disney? The fuck have they done?

They have done wonders for Marvel, hell they practically allow Marvel to do whatever the fuck they want and give them the funding to do it. Why can't this be the same for Starwars? J.J may not be the best but with the money Disney will be throwing at him, (and probably keeping him on a leash, a long leash, but enough to give him a pull back if he gets ahead of himself) it would be pretty hard to fuck this up, more so than Lucas did anyway

Sounds fine to me. The Force Awakens gives the feeling of a new beginning and the start of a new chapter while giving a nod to the previous stories.

While I think "The Ancient Fear" would have been a much better name by itself, when standing next to the other titles in the series it brings to mind The Phantom Menace more than A New Hope...and if I were signing the paychecks distancing the project from the prequels would be rule #1 for any marketing.

Sounds okay to me.

From everything we know, there are two themes that play into this title. 1) Luke is supposed to be the last Jedi 2) The old "trinity" cast is supposed to be passing the torch, and that's going to be a big theme.

If something is stirring or waking up, that's the beginning, which is exactly what this movie is supposed to be. In the Star Wars canon the force ebbs and flows, it's the whole balance thing. I don't see what's so bad about it.

The Phantom Menace - Confusingly Metaphorical, what's it even referring to?

Attack of the Clones - Named after a plot element, also, it makes the clones sound menacing when they're the good guys.

Revenge of the Sith - Revenge for what? Also, way to mirror Return of the Jedi, totally inspired.

A New Hope - Extremely vague.

The Empire Strikes Back - Breaks the pattern by containing a subject AND a verb, thus making a full statement. Wouldn't The Empire's Return Strike or Retaliation of the Empire fit better?

Return of the Jedi - The only Jedi at the end is Luke, that's actually a net loss from A New Hope. Nobody's returning, just one new Jedi to replace 2 old ones.

The Force Awakens - It's impossible to judge, since we don't know the story yet.

Okay that whole "no cgi" thing seems like a major knee-jerk reaction. I mean, it's okay to use some CGI to create a style or handle ONLY the things that real life can't produce. I'm glad they're just setting this after everything that happened in the EU, though, as it doesn't shit all over established lore. Oh right, title deal...

Yeah, the title is terrible, we've all claimed it as such. It smacks of trying too hard to give way the plot... so yeah... this smells of the ever-dumb mystery box. And even then, didn't they have a thesaurus? It sounds childish and malformed. What about "The Revival of the Force" or "The Restoration of the Force"? Something that sounds more adventurous and, dare I sound so condescending, Star Wars-y. Even a rearranged "The Awakened Force" is more Star Wars-y...

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Edit: Here is the scheme:

The/A (adjective) (something)
The (indirect action) of the (something)
The (something) (direct action)

So:

The Awakened Force
The Awakening of the Force
The Force Awakens

The last one is what they went with, but since "The Force" is not an organization or group or... I would put it along the same lines as a concept... like "hope" or "menace". Therefore, I'd say we go with "The Awakened Force". It sounds, at least to me, to be the best choice if you want to combine "awaken" and "force". It also fits with the naming scheme of the first movie of each trilogy (so far).

Ehhhh, this is the best they can come up with? That's about the most boringly safe name ever. This doesn't bode well for the movie, especially with JJ being the director of the project, whose signature is pretty much "boringly safe" -- Not terribly bad, not particularly out of this world, but safe and a little generic.

On a side note, yay a ton of more jedi stuff inbound. Because we clearly haven't gotten enough of that yet -_- it'd be nice if they'd focus more on the actual wars that take place in the stars, with the Jedi stuff being a bit more on the side.

Brian Tams:
The thing that irritates me about the title is how non-specific and generic it is.

Like, the previous movies (all 6 of 'em) had names that were more or less specific, with the least specific being Episode IV: A New Hope.

The Phantom Menace
The Empire Strikes Back
The Revenge of the Sith
The Return of the Jedi

The above titles would at least give me some idea about what the movie was about, or at least the tone it was going for.

But this? I have no idea. Which leads me to believe that JJ is doing his fucking myster box mumbo-jumbo shit again.

That's actually a really good point. I mean the title was pretty naff anyway, but there was something else putting me off about it and I wasn't sure what it was till I read this. Even "A New Hope" is pretty specific within in the franchise if you watched them in timeline order.

You're right, this title means dick all

The only way this will make me happy and smile is if the big reveal is that "The Force" turns out to actually be Cthulu.. then this title absofrickinlutely ROCKS. Otherwise, this is lame.

Andy Shandy:
Star Wars Episode VIII - The Force Goes To School
Star Wars Episode IX - The Force Does Its' Homework

Should went for Star Wars Episode VII - Revengeance

More titles should use Revengeance.

I literally spit coffee on my keyboard, ya funny ass jerk.

OT: What a friggin' awful name. It tells us nothing at all about the damned film. A New Hope? Yup, that's what it's about. Empire Strikes Back? Yup, that does happen. Return of the Jedi? Has a better ring to it than "Death of the Deathstar." Not knowing anything about the plot, I'm gonna go with Star Wars Episode VII: The Secret of Curly's Gold.

Ukomba:
-1 for for style.
-5 for being similar to The Force Unleashed.
-10 WTF is it supposed to mean? The force can sleep? When did it fall asleep? Whyyyyyy?!?!? *Anger Spren*

Do not embrace the anger spren child of honor, remember your oaths.

OT: Eh, the name doesn't really phase me, all of the names are campy and pulpy, this is staying in theme.

I mean really, state the names of the movies, using the announcer voice guy from Legend of Korra, and tell me they don't all have the same level of pulpy camp to them. xD

Gorrath:

OT: What a friggin' awful name. It tells us nothing at all about the damned film. A New Hope? Yup, that's what it's about. Empire Strikes Back? Yup, that does happen. Return of the Jedi? Has a better ring to it than "Death of the Deathstar." Not knowing anything about the plot, I'm gonna go with Star Wars Episode VII: The Secret of Curly's Gold.

Sure it tells us about the movie. It's going to focus on the Force, and since it's Awakening, it's likely going to be about the resurgence of the Jedi, now that Luke has spent several decades training up new recruits. It's likely going to be some dark side related threat that is resurfacing, after a few decades of silence while the heroes licked their wounds. It's as informative as the other movies were with a single phrase. I mean really, A New Hope? That's not explanatory at all. A new hope of what? There is no context, or at least no more context than The Force Awakens. So yeah, I'm fine with the title.

Happyninja42:

Gorrath:

OT: What a friggin' awful name. It tells us nothing at all about the damned film. A New Hope? Yup, that's what it's about. Empire Strikes Back? Yup, that does happen. Return of the Jedi? Has a better ring to it than "Death of the Deathstar." Not knowing anything about the plot, I'm gonna go with Star Wars Episode VII: The Secret of Curly's Gold.

Sure it tells us about the movie. It's going to focus on the Force, and since it's Awakening, it's likely going to be about the resurgence of the Jedi, now that Luke has spent several decades training up new recruits. It's likely going to be some dark side related threat that is resurfacing, after a few decades of silence while the heroes licked their wounds. It's as informative as the other movies were with a single phrase. I mean really, A New Hope? That's not explanatory at all. A new hope of what? There is no context, or at least no more context than The Force Awakens. So yeah, I'm fine with the title.

To be fair, A New Hope makes sense in the overall narrative, as it introduces Luke who ends up being the hope for the Rebellion as the first of a new order of Jedi. But as a stand-alone title, I agree with you, it makes very little sense, even less if you haven't seen the movie.

I'm willing to bet that the new title will make perfect sense after viewing the film. So, like you, I'm good with the title. And at least it isn't as bad as Attack of the Clones (which I always want to view as Clowns, which would be a much more terrifying movie).

COMaestro:

Happyninja42:
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To be fair, A New Hope makes sense in the overall narrative, as it introduces Luke who ends up being the hope for the Rebellion as the first of a new order of Jedi. But as a stand-alone title, I agree with you, it makes very little sense, even less if you haven't seen the movie.

I'm willing to bet that the new title will make perfect sense after viewing the film. So, like you, I'm good with the title. And at least it isn't as bad as Attack of the Clones (which I always want to view as Clowns, which would be a much more terrifying movie).

"Makes sense in the overall narrative" Perhaps. But in 1976, when it was the only movie released, without decades worth of lore and fan absorption, it tells you nothing. It vaguely implies some kind of trouble, that there is a hope in relation to, but that's it. Sure we can look back now over 6 movies and say "Ahah, yeah the title makes perfect sense, since at this point the universe was at it's darkest hour" But that's hindsight. Looking at Episode 7 with the same ignorant eyes as the public did in 1976, they are equally vague, which is why I don't have a problem with this title. It's just as ambiguous as the others when taken by itself. It hints at broad plot threads, but nothing more. And in fact, I would say it gives more information than A New Hope. At least The Force Awakens tells us it's related to the Force. A New Hope could relate to anything.

As to Attack of the Clowns, perhaps you should find the old movie Killer Clowns from Outer Space. xD It might fit what you are looking for.

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