StarCraft 2 Tournament Boots Player for Rape Comment

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StarCraft 2 Tournament Boots Player for Rape Comment

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A regular European StarCraft 2 competitor tweeted he would rape his female opponent.

Professional StarCraft 2 player Mihaylo "Kas" Hayda competed against fellow competitor Madeleine "Maddelisk" Leander in the Fragbite Masters tournament on Friday. Shortly into their match, Hayda tweeted a rape comment. Fragbite Masters organizers have since disqualified Hayda.

In a now deleted tweet, Hayda wrote, "Going to rape some girl soon #fragbitemasters."

Leander screencapped the tweet and wrote about it on eSport.

Leander was the only woman invited to participate in the tournament. "My first reaction was 'but I'm not good enough,'" she said. She decided to take a chance and participate. She noticed the game was paused for a moment early on, which she later determined was due to him posting his tweet.

"I don't even know what to say," she said. "I was very surprised to say the least. This coming from a pro player is scary. The organizers did what they could. They asked Kas to apologize and talked about it after."

Leander went on to play her match and try to let go of it. Later on she wrote on Twitter, "With that said. If you didn't know: joking about rape is never ok. Ever. If you think it is, please unfollow me."

Several apparently male Twitter users responded to her tweet to call her a "stupid crybaby" and tell her she was a "trash" player.

Hayda did apologize on Twitter after he was disqualified. Fragbite Masters called Hayda's behavior inappropriate and stated it does not "tolerate this kind of behavior."

"First of all, I have to say that this is terrible," Pontus Eskilsson, head of Fragbite Masters, said. "We will never stand for this kind of behavior, and therefore a disqualification is highly appropriate. We need to show the players that these kinds of toxic acts have consequences."

The eSports community is often male-dominated and unfriendly toward women. Earlier this year, the International eSports Federation excluded women from a Hearthstone tournament in one of its many gender-segregated tournaments; the IeSF later revised its policy to replace male-only tournaments with tournaments that are open to all. Women are less visible in competitive gaming tournaments thanks to sexism, marketing strategies overlooking them, and gender norms that treat games as a male hobby.

Hayda's comment is just one example of how the eSports community pushes women away.

Source: eSport, Fragbite Masters via The Daily Dot

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Maybe women are less visible because there are fewer female competitors.

Especially when a concurrent female only and men & women tourney shows more favoritism towards female players than male players.

Well that was fucking dumb of him.

I think that whole thing when the guy at E3 said "Just let it happen" was overblown as hell, but this was just so blatant and said in such a way that it can barely even be considered a joke.

As shitty as it is to be firing people because of twitter, this does reflect pretty poorly on them if they didn't get rid of him.

Slightly unrelated, but the article itself could use a tad less opinionated rhetoric.

Between this, that Labour politician in the UK losing her job and really, just about everything ever said by anyone ever involved in or opposed to GamerGate, it continues to boggle my mind as to how incredibly stupid people are in regard to making statements on social media. It will be found, it will be saved and it will come back to bite you in the arse!

Honestly, I'm glad that he was disqualified. It shows we're still working to make eSports better, and that people are willing to take action to do so.

I'm not sure what kind of person thinks that this sort of thing is okay. It's stupid and it makes us all look bad. It certainly doesn't help anything.

But I'm going to leave before all the angry people show up and say it's wrong to punish people for doing things.

dunam:
Maybe women are less visible because there are fewer female competitors.

^ this
in before i get a warning/ban
This was an incredibly dumb guy making a dumb statement about raping his opponent. The problem i have with this is the following:Had this been a guy saying the same about another guy and the consequences would've been the same i would've been all for this. But now the mindset is oh it's a girl better fire the guy right away. I have no problem with him being fired over this but hate the double standard. The mindset of oh you can joke about anything but rape is pretty dumb. Comedy and jokes (no matter how bad you are at it) can be about anything. Murder is a worse crime but you can joke about that. There should be more girls in e-sports, and there's definitely immature people in the e-sports scene (like the guy that got fired) But if you let smack talk get to you so bad that it actually makes you play worse. Maybe you shouldn't be trying to get into any competitive (e-)sport regardless of your gender.
/rant

Its not beating your wife or making dogs fight, but I'm very happy that they kicked him out. If they're willing to kick competitors for misconduct like that, then hopefully, it will ensure that it won't happen again or escalate to more severe actions

I have no objection to this guy being taken out of the tournament but I do take exception to:

joking about rape is never ok. Ever.

Because I disagree. Plus what this guy said what not a joke, it was a reference.

I wonder what part of him thought this was a bright thing to do. >>

as a side-note: get off twitter, nothing good has ever come from twitter, it's basicly the YT comment section without the videos.

Personally I might have disqualified the guy just for pausing a game during a competitive match to tweet anything. it's dumb and the tweet he chose to send is even dumber. dude got what he deserved. joking around about stupid stuff on your own time is one thing but to say something that unprofessional and include the organization by using the hashtag, also doing it while your on the clock? dumb dumb dumb. You want to joke about rape? that is ok actually i have no issue with rape jokes but when you're at "work" you behave in a professional manner and you most certainly don't direct rape jokes at real people.

jayzz911:

dunam:
Maybe women are less visible because there are fewer female competitors.

^ this
in before i get a warning/ban
This was an incredibly dumb guy making a dumb statement about raping his opponent. The problem i have with this is the following:Had this been a guy saying the same about another guy and the consequences would've been the same i would've been all for this. But now the mindset is oh it's a girl better fire the guy right away. I have no problem with him being fired over this but hate the double standard. The mindset of oh you can joke about anything but rape is pretty dumb. Comedy and jokes (no matter how bad you are at it) can be about anything. Murder is a worse crime but you can joke about that. There should be more girls in e-sports, and there's definitely immature people in the e-sports scene (like the guy that got fired) But if you let smack talk get to you so bad that it actually makes you play worse. Maybe you shouldn't be trying to get into any competitive (e-)sport regardless of your gender.
/rant

Honestly I agree, we should have exactly the same punishment for a guy saying he'll rape another guy, I applaud the event for taking a step in the right direction.
Smack talk is one thing, threats are another, honestly even smack talk is annoying though.

Serves him right. What an idiot.

Phasmal:
Honestly, I'm glad that he was disqualified. It shows we're still working to make eSports better, and that people are willing to take action to do so.

I'm not sure what kind of person thinks that this sort of thing is okay. It's stupid and it makes us all look bad. It certainly doesn't help anything.

But I'm going to leave before all the angry people show up and say it's wrong to punish people for doing things.

This is the internet equivalent to calling someone a doodoohead and then running away before they can respond. Rather lacking in maturity to be honest.

OT: Kicking him out seems to be the right move to me. Not because it's 'sexist' or 'offensive to women', but because it's a very dumb thing to say, and frankly is poor form for any competitor. That said I have to echo Johnisback in saying that rape jokes should not be considered 'off-limits'.

jayzz911:

dunam:
Maybe women are less visible because there are fewer female competitors.

^ this
in before i get a warning/ban
This was an incredibly dumb guy making a dumb statement about raping his opponent. The problem i have with this is the following:Had this been a guy saying the same about another guy and the consequences would've been the same i would've been all for this. But now the mindset is oh it's a girl better fire the guy right away. I have no problem with him being fired over this but hate the double standard. The mindset of oh you can joke about anything but rape is pretty dumb. Comedy and jokes (no matter how bad you are at it) can be about anything. Murder is a worse crime but you can joke about that. There should be more girls in e-sports, and there's definitely immature people in the e-sports scene (like the guy that got fired) But if you let smack talk get to you so bad that it actually makes you play worse. Maybe you shouldn't be trying to get into any competitive (e-)sport regardless of your gender.
/rant

I think joking about anything is fine, but jokes that do not come from a place of empathy will probably be reacted to badly.

It's just a really stupid decision to tweet that. First, these events are paid for by sponsors, so sportmanslike conduct is important. Second, that comment is so easily misunderstood that it should not be made publically(I'm sure he meant "quickly overpoweringly defeat in this game" the way the word rape is usually used in context of competitive gaming.

Finally keep in mind the whole dealing with the situation is proof that women are protected in pro-gaming circles, not the reverse.

I like this DQ, esports wants to look like they're legit and any other professional sport would've done the same thing if one of their players did this, if not worse. Good on them, and hopefully the next person that's tempted to do something idiotic like this will just focus on the task at hand instead of crap like this.

I'm not opposed to the idea of trash-talking, as long as everyone playing is cool with it.

But I'm glad this guy got banned, because that was a really stupid thing to say.

And posting it on Twitter, where everyone can read it...really? You didn't think anyone was going to complain about that?

...Well what the shit did he think was going to happen?

Mr Cwtchy:

This is the internet equivalent to calling someone a doodoohead and then running away before they can respond. Rather lacking in maturity to be honest.

Hold on, I'm putting my mature face on.
I forgot how srs business the internet is.

I'll certainly think twice before putting sarcastic remarks at the end of my posts.

On the one hand, "rape" means something really different in gaming than it does IRL -- had he been facing a male opponent, it would simply be seen as stupid trash talk.
On the other hand, it is definitely not something you should ever say about anyone. I am absolutely certain he didn't mean anything sexual with his tweet, but with all the uproar about women in gaming going on right now something like this is so incredibly stupid him getting booted from the tournament is justified in my opinion.

The whole trash talk, sexism, racism, and verbal violence is making online gaming an unsafe environment for everyone and especially in pro gaming it should be prevented as much as possible.

*Slowly facepalms*

Jeez, did he not see how unprofessional, unsportsmanlike and offensive statements like that would bite him in the ass? ESPECIALLY AT A TOURNAMENT?!

Look, I get it. A lot of people use "rape" when playing games to mean "totally demolish in a spectacular way". I think it's really dumb, but some people use it, and it'll take time to fully purge it from the language into thinks like "Rekt" or whatever is hip these days. But you can't go around saying stuff like that in a tournament setting. This isn't some match you're playing in your time off. This is a TOURNAMENT Match with lots of people watching, and is meant to be taken seriously.

Just like a hockey player can't say "Imma kill that (N-word)" when in the playoffs without being disciplined, you can't be making really retarded tweets like that during a gaming tournament. It reflects badly not only on yourself, the hobby, and the game you're playing, but ALSO badly on the tournament organizers who have the right to kick you out of the even that they're hosting.

Seriously, is it THAT hard to have even a shred of decorum and respect for some people?

Good fucking riddance. Way to make the whole e-sports scene seem totally mature and respectable. What a fucking idiot.

Behavior like this is why I avoid competitive gaming and the only online gaming for me is co-operative.

Back when I played a crapload of Gears of War 3's Horde mode, I was playing a game with some dudes who had mics, and it was actually pretty good. They talked about gaming, movies, TV shows, etc over a two hour session. At the end of it, dude had invited me to be part of his team on a competitive match.

"Sure, why not."

Big mistake. These guys who were calm, decent, and cool earlier just turned into vile and hate-spewing creatures. For some reason, the competitive side of things just got the worst out of them. I just booked it out of there. Still played Horde with them later, but you'd be surprised how often this stuff happens online.

I sometimes wonder how Rape became such a ubiquitous term in gaming.

Baserape
Spawnrape
Statsrape
Stackrape

Even just using the phrase rape or raped to describe winning by a large margin. I guess the root cause is that competitive games have been a complete sausage fest and to the average young man rape is kind of an irrelevance, it probably won't happen to them, it's an abstract thing that happens to other people (and thinking back, at 13 I didn't have many female friends, so purile discussions always came from a male viewpoint).

It's good that at a pro level at least these things are being addressed (or at least starting to) and it shames me to admit that I spent most of my CS and CS:S career yelling/typing that word at just about every opportunity, I hope it's something that 'gaming' as a hobby slowly grows out of over time, it's not going to change over night that's for sure.

... So she didn't win the match, I guess?

I'm being facetious, I know. Using that word in that context is foolish and he really should have realized that nothing good would come of it... has he made those kind of posts in the past about other players? Did the other members? She sounds like she was a recent addition to their roster. How many other women have they invited in the past?

The company policy is to not use that language in trash-talking, then so be it- He messed up.

What an idiot.
Good riddance.
Good to see e-sports disassociating itself from just being a bunch of hormone filled little children who mask their insecurity with bullshit hypermasculinity.

However

roseofbattle:
"With that said. If you didn't know: joking about rape is never ok. Ever. If you think it is, please unfollow me."

1) This was not a "joke".
2) If you think anything is "off limits" in comedy, you don't understand what comedy is which may be the case if you think "I'm gonna rape some girl" qualifies as a "joke".

Dumb ass Pro-Level e-sports. Trash talk should not happen anyway. But otherwise thats all it is online gaming trash talk. My only issue is that due to her sex its kinda been blown up abit. Seeing it more then what it is everyday online gaming trash talk. You get your ass kicked "dam dude we got fucked/raped/pwned/annihilated/etc" im sure i dont need to go on. But yeh ban his ass just for talking shit during a pro- match. stupid derp. and to tweet it. even more derp.

If he said "Gonna go rape some dude" this would not be news worthy and no one would have cared.

Think about that for a minute.

I don't like thrash talking, and it especially makes me sad when I see "pro" gamers do it.

Though I guess since this was a tweet directed to followers maybe it doesn't quite count.. But then again pausing a game to brag about how you're gonna rape your opponent (tbh considering how often I see people say they are gonna rape their opponents in multi games, I don't consider it a gendered insult) in another medium does sound a bit like posing/showing off mixed with smack talking.

Anyways, guy got his just desserts I reckon, though would have been sweeter if she had won the match.

That said:
" If you didn't know: joking about rape is never ok. Ever. If you think it is, please unfollow me."

Sorry but I disagree.


The idea that some things just can't be joked about or is off limits just doesn't sit right with me.

BoogieManFL:
If he said "Gonna go rape some dude" this would not be news worthy and no one would have cared.

Think about that for a minute.

Considering that there's a few of the Korean players that do pretty much that on a regular basis, and you haven't heard about it, you'd be correct.

Remember a time when competition didn't have to always be "Friendly" sometimes they could get heated and people might say stuff to get the other person on edge, makes me think of all the stuff Tyson used to say...

Go look up his quotes...

Guy's an idiot; glad he got banned for his piss-poor behavior. And what he said wasn't a "joke" even if he later tries to claim it was. And no, rape is not off limits as far as jokes are concerned. I can appreciate where she's coming from with her comment but it's still misguided.

FogHornG36:
Remember a time when competition didn't have to always be "Friendly" sometimes they could get heated and people might say stuff to get the other person on edge, makes me think of all the stuff Tyson used to say...

Go look up his quotes...

I'm not sure if you're driving at the idea that what Tyson used to (and still often does) say is somehow acceptable. As a HUGE fan of boxing (I used to box in the Army) Tyson is just about the last jackass I'd point to as sportsman and say, "Yeah, emulate THAT guy." I get what you're saying about how things used to be different and not always friendly but I"m not sure if you think that it's good or bad that sportsmanship matters more now than it did then. I think we are far better for it.

To me, his actions read that he has done this before. The way it way types, the way it was worded, all seem like something he has done in the past. He seemed comfortable in his trash talking and again, it reads as if it's something he's done before and hasn't had any repercussions for. The only difference now, is that it's a girl. There was no thought put into what he typed because, this type of trash talk had not gotten him into trouble before. He figured it was fine, in the sense that he has said stiff like this to is opponents before. For them to disqualify him for it because it was towards a girl just shows the double standard that is going on now.

While I don't agree with any sort of trash talk happening in games and on a professional level, towards anyone, if this was truly an issue before and they were doing disqualifications to show that they will not tolerate such trash talk, he would have already known this and not tried to trash talk anything towards his opponent. This seems like something the company and the tournament runners are doing just to cover their ass and not have the girl try to pull a whole, this is sexist thing. Granted, the girl doesn't really seem like that type of girl but, with the way some of these...what can I call them even...women are going about all this crap, I'm not surprised they are assuming the worst of her and are afraid of it happening. They should have started disqualifying people from the beginning of the whole game tournaments thing at the beginning, and not only started now because it happened towards a woman.

As for the tournament thing being sexist and targeted and advertised to only men, It's not stopping women form joining. Just because your target audience is targeted towards a male demographic, doesn't mean that women are forbidden to join. I mean, as much as I hate to use this as an example (I will more than likely be bum rushed for it all lol)take my little pony as an example. Their target audience is for little girls that are between the ages of 5 and possibly 11. Their ads and merchandise are all targeted towards them, they have little girls playing with the toys in the commercials, they have nightgowns and everything targeted towards them. Though this doesn't stop little boys and even grown men from participating in watching the show or even collecting and playing with the toys. If having the whole games tournament industry be called sexist just because it has a preferred target audience, then, by the same logic, my little pony is sexist as well.

He should have said "Gonna beat down a girl in a game of Starcraft 2!", not this off-color rape comment.

Framing this as "Just another way the eSports community pushes women away" is stupid editorializing. His behavior was unprofessional and caddish, but making a bigger deal out of it because it was in reference to a woman is simply another form of sexism.

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