Scorpion Vs. Predator? Sci-fi Monster Rumored as Mortal Kombat X DLC

Scorpion Vs. Predator? Sci-fi Monster Rumored as Mortal Kombat X DLC

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Carl Weathers' Colonel Al Dillon is also a reported character for the Mortal Kombat X Predator DLC.

Who is the greatest sci-fi monster of all time? If you answered, Alien or Terminator, you're wrong. The Predator is obviously the universe's most deadly, fearsome, hunter. The dudes bred a race of horrifying, species-destroying Aliens just so they could have worthy prey to hunt. So why aren't they in more fighting games? Good question, and it's one that Warner Bros. is reportedly going to answer. According to a report received from Video Gamer, a Predator DLC bundle is coming to Mortal Kombat X some time in June.

The report states that alongside the legendary hunter, Colonel Al Dillon - portrayed by Carl Weathers in the original film - will also be added as a playable character. The pack will reportedly launch in June, though we don't have any more details on pricing or even what else it may contain. No word on Arnie's inclusion yet, though it seems a bit strange to include Dillon without Dutch.

To add some credibility to the rumor, in July last year, creative director Ed Boon tweeted the Scorpion/Predator mash-up image you can see above, with the caption "Predator in MKX would be so sick!"

If true, it won't be the first time characters from other universes have featured in Mortal Kombat. 2011's Mortal Kombat, for example, featured God of War's Kratos and Nightmare On Elm Street's Freddie Krueger as guest characters.

It would certainly be quite sick to be able to play as the Predator in Mortal Kombat. And you know what? While we're on the topic of sci-fi monsters, having Alien and the Terminator in there also wouldn't be too bad...

Source: Video Gamer

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Prometheus, and seemingly the last AVP game would seem to contradict the claim that the Predators created the aliens.

thaluikhain:
Prometheus, and seemingly the last AVP game would seem to contradict the claim that the Predators created the aliens.

Wellllllll it kinda depends on how you interpret what the article meant by "they bred them". That doesn't necessarily mean they created them, however part of Predator lore is that they seed planets with Xenomorphs to go back and hunt them later on. In that light, they do indeed "breed" them for hunting purposes, they just didn't "create" them.

But the lore for that particular universe is so mix-matched it's hard to tell what's official canon and what's not. For instance, not a single Xenomorph is seen in Prometheus - at least not a living/active one - including that little bugger that pops out at the very end. Considering the fact that a mural in the Engineer Temple shows what appears to be a fully-formed Xenomorph drone, this would imply that the Xenomorphs - as we know them today - are already a known species to the Engineers. It's likely that the Engineers themselves developed their bio-weapons based off of Xenomorph biology, rather than the more popular conception that the Engineers created the Xenomorphs to begin with.

The point is that, yeah, the Predators did "breed" Xenomorphs on certain planets. This is actually confirmed in the most "recent" AvP game during the Predator campaign when you're down in the temple and you see the "ghosts" leading the caged Empress to the central chamber of the temple...much like how there was a Queen housed in the central chamber of the temple in the first AvP movie.

RJ 17:
The point is that, yeah, the Predators did "breed" Xenomorphs on certain planets. This is actually confirmed in the most "recent" AvP game during the Predator campaign when you're down in the temple and you see the "ghosts" leading the caged Empress to the central chamber of the temple...much like how there was a Queen housed in the central chamber of the temple in the first AvP movie.

Only you can't see it, because a bunch of living Aliens get in the way. I wanted to watch that. :(

(As an aside, was that queen put into stasis or something, and was the same one you see in the modern day?)

RJ 17:
Considering the fact that a mural in the Engineer Temple shows what appears to be a fully-formed Xenomorph drone,

It does? Must have missed that.

Mind you, I think we might as well forget that movie existed altogether.

Oh. Fuck. Yes.
The Predator is a great choice. Quick, deliberate strikes with his claws, a ranged attack/blaster thing, that attack dog thing from Predators (Man, what an underrated movie!)
I just hope his fatality is skinning his opponent alive

thaluikhain:
Only you can't see it, because a bunch of living Aliens get in the way. I wanted to watch that. :(

Yeah, one of my favorite parts in the game is when you get the mask upgrade that has the Alien vision mode and you see that little ceremony play out in front of you with the ancient predators and the one carry a dead Xeno up to the pedastal before triumphantly tossing it down and giving a roar. It's a bit distracting for the vision down in the temple when you've got a wave of Xenos charging after you, I would have liked to watch it in more detail too. :P

(As an aside, was that queen put into stasis or something, and was the same one you see in the modern day?)

To my knowledge - and based off of the first AvP movie which the game clearly takes a number of ideas from...the Predator Temple itself being one of them - is that yes, The Empress is a truly ancient Xenomorph Queen that was housed in the Predator temple. I'd imagine all Predator Temples have a Queen somewhere inside them, kept in stasis until the Predators "reactivate" the temple, which wakes up the Queen to start producing eggs.

RJ 17:
Considering the fact that a mural in the Engineer Temple shows what appears to be a fully-formed Xenomorph drone,

It does? Must have missed that.

Mind you, I think we might as well forget that movie existed altogether.

Yep, it's there. Granted it's generally very dark in the Engineer Temple so it's pretty hard to see such details, but there is indeed an image of an actual Xenomorph somewhere in the temple.

I do agree, however, that we should all just kinda...imagine Prometheus didn't happen. I do wonder what the movie would have been like if they did end up going with a more direct-prequel to Alien like they originally intended. Who knows? It might have actually been worth a damn. :3

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thaluikhain:
Only you can't see it, because a bunch of living Aliens get in the way. I wanted to watch that. :(

Yeah, one of my favorite parts in the game is when you get the mask upgrade that has the Alien vision mode and you see that little ceremony play out in front of you with the ancient predators and the one carry a dead Xeno up to the pedastal before triumphantly tossing it down and giving a roar.

Second that. The game can get a bit samey, expanding the setting like that helped a lot.

OTOH, that means that the Predators haven't changed their gear (except masks) in umpteen millenia.

Personally, I like to think that the hunting equipment is kept more or less the same because it's traditional, and that they've developed better weaponry that you just don't see.

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I do agree, however, that we should all just kinda...imagine Prometheus didn't happen. I do wonder what the movie would have been like if they did end up going with a more direct-prequel to Alien like they originally intended. Who knows? It might have actually been worth a damn. :3

It'd more or less have to not have the Aliens in it, though. OTOH, the company knew there was something down there, and that it might be dangerous.

There's also Spawn, which is all but confirmed for being a guest character. In an interview, Todd McFarlane says that he's got a "short deal" with NRS and WB and that it would allow them to use Spawn in one of their games. Considering NRS only does MK and Injustice, and that Injustice 2 would be a few years away it's pretty safe to say he'll be in MKX.


Skip to about the 5 minute mark.

OT: Predator would be pretty cool in MKX, not sure why'd they'd go with Dillon though. Would have preferred, if they could get the licensing for it, them to do a AvP pack instead. Or if they can only do Predator, then why not have Dutch? He was the main character after all.

Well, with Reptile confirmed to be in the game with a whole moveset centered around his invisibility, what niche would the Predator fill?

thaluikhain:
OTOH, that means that the Predators haven't changed their gear (except masks) in umpteen millenia.

Hey...if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :3

Personally, I like to think that the hunting equipment is kept more or less the same because it's traditional, and that they've developed better weaponry that you just don't see.

While I do consider myself an "expert" on Predator lore, I've sadly very little experience with the "expanded universe" contained in novels and comic books...mainly because I've never been able to find any in my area. xP

But based on what I do know, you're partially right here. Predator society is based upon clans, which are essentially tribes. Each clan has it's own unique weapons as well as special ways of forging more "standard" weapons. For instance, look at the Smart Disc as seen in Predator 2, it's a good ol' fashioned Frisbee-o-Death. Then you look at the more shuriken-styled "disc" used by the Predators in the AvP movies, it's a different style for a different clan...the fact that Lone Wolf (the Predator in AvP:R) uses the shuriken disc as well supports this as he's the "clean-up Predator" sent by the same clan from the first movie to remove all evidence of the Predators' and Xenomorphs' existence from the crash sight at the beginning of the movie.

Further evidence is seen in the Predators movie. That planet is the hunting ground for one clan of Predators...a clan that apparently favors a single wrist-blade rather than the double-wristblades we've seen with other predators. The Predator that's bound up at the Predator camp is a poacher...a Predator that came to that planet to hunt that didn't belong to the clan that had claimed that planet as its hunting grounds.

As for the weapons being traditional, that's true as well, as seen in the first AvP movie and in the last AvP game. In the movie, the temple is designed so that the Unblooded Predators would have to fight their way through the temple in order to get to the chamber that contains their Shoulder Cannons. Basically they have to earn the right to use those weapons. Same thing with the Ceremonial Mask (Alien Vision mask) in the game: you have to fight your way to it, proving you can take on Xeno's without the mask and thus earn the right to use the mask.

...I love talking about Predators and Aliens way too much. xD

Objectable:
Oh. Fuck. Yes.
The Predator is a great choice. Quick, deliberate strikes with his claws, a ranged attack/blaster thing, that attack dog thing from Predators (Man, what an underrated movie!)

Agreed on that movie being way underrated. :P

I just hope his fatality is skinning his opponent alive

As sweet as it may be, to show it in enough detail to do it justice would likely be pretty time consuming. Honestly I think they could just use any of the Insta Kills from the most "recent" AvP game and it would work pretty nicely. :3

God I love that clicking sound that Predators make. xD

But yeah, see what I mean? All of those are short, sweet, and brutal...which is (generally) what MK fatalities are all about.

RJ 17:
The Predator that's bound up at the Predator camp is a poacher...a Predator that came to that planet to hunt that didn't belong to the clan that had claimed that planet as its hunting grounds.

Ah, didn't know that.

RJ 17:
As for the weapons being traditional, that's true as well, as seen in the first AvP movie and in the last AvP game. In the movie, the temple is designed so that the Unblooded Predators would have to fight their way through the temple in order to get to the chamber that contains their Shoulder Cannons. Basically they have to earn the right to use those weapons. Same thing with the Ceremonial Mask (Alien Vision mask) in the game: you have to fight your way to it, proving you can take on Xeno's without the mask and thus earn the right to use the mask.

Dunno about the mask, I got the impression it was a special mask owned by the king or whoever.

But after you stand on top of a tower in the arena, and repeatedly throw the smart disc at a big alien standing in a doorway while two other aliens jump in front of you, you earn the combi-stick. Maybe the arena was tougher in the old days.

Also, I always thought that the cleaner alien in AVP2, and the Youngbloods in the most recent game shouldn't be acting or equipped like hunters, they were dealing with other business.

It's particularly annoying that the aliens can always see you because they smell pheromones rather than rely on visual sight (which'd mean it's a good thing they don't take falling damage because they'd not see cliffs)...a sealed suit would mean they'd not be able to detect you, the Predator and marines should definitely think about those. And if the human marine gets a motion tracker, the Predator should be able to get one (or better) as well.

RJ 17:
Agreed on that movie being way underrated. :P

Yeah...take a movie franchise from the 80s, bring it back (with all new people) nowdays and it's actually good? That's unheard of.

I remember when extra characters were unlockable and free in fighting games instead of greedy nickle and dime nonsense

thaluikhain:
Dunno about the mask, I got the impression it was a special mask owned by the king or whoever.

It's all based on tradition and pomp and ceremony. That's not to say that the Preds go back to the temples to place a new mask (or in the movie's case, shoulder cannons) in their special chambers each time, but one thing I know for certain is that in the Predator society you have to earn the right to use better gear. This is explained in what was perhaps my favorite game on the original XBox...Predator: Concrete Jungle. You start off as a badass but then dishonor yourself. A hundred years later a big mess has been made because of the way you dishonored yourself and so you're sent back to clean up the mess "with only the tools of an unblooded youngster...having to prove yourself once again..."

But after you stand on top of a tower in the arena, and repeatedly throw the smart disc at a big alien standing in a doorway while two other aliens jump in front of you, you earn the combi-stick. Maybe the arena was tougher in the old days.

lol for that fight I just kited that Praetorian Alien like a frickin' boss. Run to one corner of the arena, turn around and disc. Run to the next corner, turn around and disc, rinse and repeat till the bastard finally died. :P

Also, I always thought that the cleaner alien in AVP2, and the Youngbloods in the most recent game shouldn't be acting or equipped like hunters, they were dealing with other business.

As seen in AvP:R, Predators apparently get to choose their own load-out when going on a hunt/mission, as seen by how Lone Wolf opens his weapon-wall and picks his gear...including that sweet frickin' whip. :3

Beyond that he also has that disintegration goo to help get rid of evidence.

As for the game...well unfortunately the timeline for all the events during the campaigns doesn't really mesh as coherently as it did in the best AvP game ever: AvP2 for the PC from waaaaaay back in the day. As such, the best I can figure is that the Predators sent to the planet in the "new" AvP game were sent on the basis of it being a standard hunt...and the shit just kinda hits the fan during that hunt. The intro to the Predator campaign shows the Predator ship blowing up the human's mothership, thus ensuring that no one was going to be leaving that planet. So three Preds get sent down to perform a hunt while at the same time handling the business that needed to be handled down there.

It's particularly annoying that the aliens can always see you because they smell pheromones rather than rely on visual sight (which'd mean it's a good thing they don't take falling damage because they'd not see cliffs)...a sealed suit would mean they'd not be able to detect you, the Predator and marines should definitely think about those. And if the human marine gets a motion tracker, the Predator should be able to get one (or better) as well.

As much as I looooooove Predators - they're my favorite race out of the AvP universe - in terms of playing (at least multiplayer) I'm best with the Aliens. Specifically because you can see everything.

I'd imagine if the Predators had a way to "cloak" themselves from Aliens they would probably implement it since they have no problem with using cloaking technology against humans. But that's why Predators love hunting Aliens so much: the Xenomorph is the deadliest "prey" species they've ever encountered.

As for the motion tracker, personally I'd take a thermal-vision mask with a built in HUD that highlights and locks onto targets regardless of range rather than a humble motion tracker any day. Beyond that, there's a number of intangible things that the Predators have going for them that don't translate into the games, specifically they apparently have a very sharp sense of smell and impeccable hearing, both could effectively fulfill the same roll as a motion tracker.

Yeah...take a movie franchise from the 80s, bring it back (with all new people) nowdays and it's actually good? That's unheard of.

I'm really hoping they come out with another Predator-involved movie. Specifically I'd love to see a new AvP set in the Alien's timeline rather than in "present day".

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As for the game...well unfortunately the timeline for all the events during the campaigns doesn't really mesh as coherently

Yeah...the alien campaign ends when the human is in the hive and the predator is just behind him? Where did the ship/predators in the arena go? The predator reaches the arena just after the marine did...maybe. Who got to the temple first? Where did the abomination come from, how quickly do those grow?

RJ 17:
The intro to the Predator campaign shows the Predator ship blowing up the human's mothership, thus ensuring that no one was going to be leaving that planet.

Yeah, because we know that the dropships are dropships and not capable of interstellar flight.

:(

RJ 17:
But that's why Predators love hunting Aliens so much: the Xenomorph is the deadliest "prey" species they've ever encountered.

I've read somewhere that Predators start off with aliens, move on the humans when they have more experience, because humans are more dangerous, which makes sense to me. Lions are bigger and more clawed than humans, but humans have driven them to near extinction.

RJ 17:
I'm really hoping they come out with another Predator-involved movie. Specifically I'd love to see a new AvP set in the Alien's timeline rather than in "present day".

I'd hope to see how the Predators have changed in that time. Much as I like the Predators, I'd not want them to remain exactly the same for centuries. That's for elves.

Also struck me in the AVP game that this was the first time I'd seen a Alien in a jungle, or a Predator in a high tech facility.

thaluikhain:
Yeah...the alien campaign ends when the human is in the hive and the predator is just behind him? Where did the ship/predators in the arena go? The predator reaches the arena just after the marine did...maybe. Who got to the temple first? Where did the abomination come from, how quickly do those grow?

Apparently the Abomination comes from the Predator that the Alien defeats in the Arena and helps a facehugger get on him...which places the Alien campaign's timeline at the very beginning. Yet at the end of the Alien campaign you curl up and go into hibernation because The Empress just got blown up...so apparently it starts before the other campaigns but ends roughly half-way through the Marine's campaign. There's just way too many inconsistencies to really hammer down a solid timeline of events in that game.

What I wanna know is...how the hell does the Abomination get away with swimming around in frickin' LAVA?! I understand that Xenomorphs are pretty tough, and that a Pred-Alien would be even tougher...but come on!

Yeah, because we know that the dropships are dropships and not capable of interstellar flight.

:(

I'd imagine that even if they were, the Predator mothership would just blast them into space dust the moment they left the atmosphere. :P

I've read somewhere that Predators start off with aliens, move on the humans when they have more experience, because humans are more dangerous, which makes sense to me. Lions are bigger and more clawed than humans, but humans have driven them to near extinction.

The thing is that Xenomorphs aren't lions...they're Xenomorphs. :P

In every - single - instance of Xenomorph activity where humans are concerned, the shit inevitably hits the fan on a catastrophic level. What's the only possible course of action in the first Alien movie? Gotta blow up the ship. What's the only possible course of action in the first movie? Well, BEFORE they find out that the reactor's going critical, it's "Let's get the hell out of here and nuke the place from orbit." How many people were killed in Alien 3 before they finally managed to trap the bugger and kill it? Alien Ressurection is another instance of "the only course of action is to blow up the ship".

The reason that Predators start with Xenos is that they have to prove themselves against the most powerful enemy. That's why on Blooding Hunts - as depicted in the first movie - the temple is dedicated to creating Xenos. "Traditionally" there's only supposed to be 7 or 8 Xenos as seen in the flashback where the ancient human priests are placing the facehuggers over the sacrificial subject's faces. As a Predator, you go to the temple, hunt down a Xenomorph, kill it, and use it's blood to mark yourself. Yet as the flashback also shows - even when Predators are in charge of the show - the shit can still hit the fan and the Predators can be overwhelmed...which - as seen with the humans - necessitates a massive explosion to ensure the Xenomorphs aren't allowed to spread.

Sure, one-on-one a Xenomorph is at a disadvantage against the bigger and more powerful Predator...but they have an incredible ability - nay, an INSTINCT - for survival. There's a reason that they've been referred to as "The Perfect Organism".

Look at it this way: pretty much the only time a Predator loses to a human is because the Predator gets cocky and underestimates the human. A Xenomorph, on the other hand, is perfectly capable of killing a Predator in one-on-one combat...assuming that the Predator isn't using it's shoulder cannon. In which case the Xenos are smart enough to back off until they have the numbers necessary to overwhelm the Predator. They're so fast, agile, and nimble that they can dodge most non-tracking Predator attacks. All it takes is one good shot from the tail and the Predator is impaled. And as we've covered before: the Predators can't hide from Xenos the way they can cloak themselves from humans. Almost all of the advantages a Predator has over a human are cancelled out when a Predator is up against Xenomorphs.

I'd hope to see how the Predators have changed in that time. Much as I like the Predators, I'd not want them to remain exactly the same for centuries. That's for elves.

Also struck me in the AVP game that this was the first time I'd seen a Alien in a jungle, or a Predator in a high tech facility.

I'm guessing you never had a chance to play AvP2 for the PC? If you can ever find it, I'd highly recommend it. It's got a story that meshes the three campaigns together perfectly, and one that I'd argue would actually be worth making a movie out of.

The only way I would support this if there is a mini-game of Sub-Zero and the Predator have a spinal rip contest.

"Hells fuckin' yeah!!" That's basically my only response to this.

Predator would be a phenomenal addition to MK, canon or whatever be damned.

But seriously, of all the characters from Predator to put in the game, Carl Weathers? I'd much rather have Arnold or Jesse Ventura.

That being said, this does seem a little off. From what I've seen so far, MKX seems like it's going for a somewhat more serious and darker tone and not quite as campy as MK9, so randomly throwing Predator in seems to sort of subvert that idea.

black_knight1337:
There's also Spawn, which is all but confirmed for being a guest character. In an interview, Todd McFarlane says that he's got a "short deal" with NRS and WB and that it would allow them to use Spawn in one of their games. Considering NRS only does MK and Injustice, and that Injustice 2 would be a few years away it's pretty safe to say he'll be in MKX.


Skip to about the 5 minute mark.

OT: Predator would be pretty cool in MKX, not sure why'd they'd go with Dillon though. Would have preferred, if they could get the licensing for it, them to do a AvP pack instead. Or if they can only do Predator, then why not have Dutch? He was the main character after all.

Oh, I am TOTALLY getting this game now. FUCK. YES. SPPPAAAWWWWNNNN
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thaluikhain:
OTOH, that means that the Predators haven't changed their gear (except masks) in umpteen millenia.

Hey...if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :3

Personally, I like to think that the hunting equipment is kept more or less the same because it's traditional, and that they've developed better weaponry that you just don't see.

While I do consider myself an "expert" on Predator lore, I've sadly very little experience with the "expanded universe" contained in novels and comic books...mainly because I've never been able to find any in my area. xP

But based on what I do know, you're partially right here. Predator society is based upon clans, which are essentially tribes. Each clan has it's own unique weapons as well as special ways of forging more "standard" weapons. For instance, look at the Smart Disc as seen in Predator 2, it's a good ol' fashioned Frisbee-o-Death. Then you look at the more shuriken-styled "disc" used by the Predators in the AvP movies, it's a different style for a different clan...the fact that Lone Wolf (the Predator in AvP:R) uses the shuriken disc as well supports this as he's the "clean-up Predator" sent by the same clan from the first movie to remove all evidence of the Predators' and Xenomorphs' existence from the crash sight at the beginning of the movie.

Further evidence is seen in the Predators movie. That planet is the hunting ground for one clan of Predators...a clan that apparently favors a single wrist-blade rather than the double-wristblades we've seen with other predators. The Predator that's bound up at the Predator camp is a poacher...a Predator that came to that planet to hunt that didn't belong to the clan that had claimed that planet as its hunting grounds.

As for the weapons being traditional, that's true as well, as seen in the first AvP movie and in the last AvP game. In the movie, the temple is designed so that the Unblooded Predators would have to fight their way through the temple in order to get to the chamber that contains their Shoulder Cannons. Basically they have to earn the right to use those weapons. Same thing with the Ceremonial Mask (Alien Vision mask) in the game: you have to fight your way to it, proving you can take on Xeno's without the mask and thus earn the right to use the mask.

...I love talking about Predators and Aliens way too much. xD

I can't remember where I read it, I too like getting into the Predator lore, but apparently the more novice the Predator, the more weaponry they carry. The pinnacle of a Predator's hunting prowess is to take an Alien queen down with only wrist blades. There seems to be an interesting dynamic suggested by the movies and books that an unblooded warrior must earn his Plasma-caster, but it is one of the first weapons they shed when they become mature and adept at hunting.

RJ 17:
Apparently the Abomination comes from the Predator that the Alien defeats in the Arena and helps a facehugger get on him...which places the Alien campaign's timeline at the very beginning. Yet at the end of the Alien campaign you curl up and go into hibernation because The Empress just got blown up...so apparently it starts before the other campaigns but ends roughly half-way through the Marine's campaign. There's just way too many inconsistencies to really hammer down a solid timeline of events in that game.

Possibly the abomination was from one of the other predators you come across who are already dead, but the abomination was already fully grown at the end of your first mission.

RJ 17:
I'd imagine that even if they were, the Predator mothership would just blast them into space dust the moment they left the atmosphere.

Sure, but end of the marine campaign...

RJ 17:
The thing is that Xenomorphs aren't lions...they're Xenomorphs. :P

In every - single - instance of Xenomorph activity where humans are concerned, the shit inevitably hits the fan on a catastrophic level.

And the aliens always have all the odds stacked in their favour. Either the humans are unarmed, or the aliens just happen to be in the one place it's not safe for the marines to use their guns, or a crashing dropship just happens to hit where the vehicles with all their supplies is so they've got next to no ammunition. And then the humans are ridiculously incompetently led and/or have traitors trying to kill them.

When the aliens don't have all the odds in their favour, they end up doing stuff like running headlong into the sentry guns in the hope the gun will run out of ammunition before the aliens run out of aliens.

For that matter, the reason the aliens are posing a threat to anyone generally starts with some humans setting things up like that for the evulz, and then not coping with what happens next. A decent Work Health and Safety inspector to look over their plans, and none of it would ever happen.

RJ 17:
Look at it this way: pretty much the only time a Predator loses to a human is because the Predator gets cocky and underestimates the human. A Xenomorph, on the other hand, is perfectly capable of killing a Predator in one-on-one combat...assuming that the Predator isn't using it's shoulder cannon.

I'd argue that is also underestimating the alien. Though, that's sorta what the Predators do, give the prey a chance of winning, which means sometimes they do.

Now, perhaps you could argue that the aliens are more dangerous in the form of ritualised combat the Predators tend to go for, which is fair enough, but more dangerous in a general sense...no. It's not clear how intelligent the aliens are, but they've no kind of technology of their own, which puts them at the bottom of the ladder.

Personally, I prefer the storyline that the Predators created the Aliens.

I'm just going to throw something out here. WHAT if it's not actual characters but rather skins? Boon let loose with a Jax hint (Dylan) and surely Cyrax or Sektor or something cyborg Lin Kuei would be in the game. And since they are based off the Predator... there you go.

I'm betting skins but would happily lose that bet for characters.

Steven Bogos:

Who is the greatest sci-fi monster of all time? If you answered... Terminator, you're wrong

GLaDOS:

Okay, look: We both said a lot of things that you're going to regret, but I think we can put our differences behind us; for science... you monster.

Programmed_For_Damage:
I can't remember where I read it, I too like getting into the Predator lore, but apparently the more novice the Predator, the more weaponry they carry. The pinnacle of a Predator's hunting prowess is to take an Alien queen down with only wrist blades. There seems to be an interesting dynamic suggested by the movies and books that an unblooded warrior must earn his Plasma-caster, but it is one of the first weapons they shed when they become mature and adept at hunting.

The way I understand it is that a Predator has to earn the right to use more weapons as they grow, however the fewer weapons they take on a hunt, the more honor and pride the trophies they collect are worth.

thaluikhain:
Possibly the abomination was from one of the other predators you come across who are already dead, but the abomination was already fully grown at the end of your first mission...

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Sure, but end of the marine campaign...

Like I said, due to poor story planning, it's pretty difficult to say just when everything happens. As for the ending to the marine campaign, after watching it again just now...well apparently that's a specialized dropship because traditionally they're not equipped with the stasis pods necessary for interstellar travel. :P

And the aliens always have all the odds stacked in their favour. Either the humans are unarmed, or the aliens just happen to be in the one place it's not safe for the marines to use their guns, or a crashing dropship just happens to hit where the vehicles with all their supplies is so they've got next to no ammunition. And then the humans are ridiculously incompetently led and/or have traitors trying to kill them.

Well that's all part-and-parcel of the theme what with Weyland-Yutani always being greedy/evil bastards who end up paying for their hubris. :P

When the aliens don't have all the odds in their favour, they end up doing stuff like running headlong into the sentry guns in the hope the gun will run out of ammunition before the aliens run out of aliens.

That's the thing though...the odds were in their favor. There's so many of them that they don't mind throwing their numbers into a meat-grinder. Xenos are incredibly, and when they can't outwit a trap, they just say "screw it" and throw their numbers at the problem...and that strategy generally works. :P

For that matter, the reason the aliens are posing a threat to anyone generally starts with some humans setting things up like that for the evulz, and then not coping with what happens next. A decent Work Health and Safety inspector to look over their plans, and none of it would ever happen.

A decent Work Health and Safety inspector would see they had Xenomorphs to begin with an demand that the entire facility be shut down, abandoned, and nuked from orbit...and then a WT corporate officer would shoot him in the back of the head. :3

Any sensible person would realize that Xenomorphs are a species best left alone...like, entirely. Yet every time humans encounter Xenomorphs, it's because of WT's mad quest to capture and control them. And yet time and time again, the Xeno's prove to be absolutely uncontrollable.

I'd argue that is also underestimating the alien. Though, that's sorta what the Predators do, give the prey a chance of winning, which means sometimes they do.

It's not so much about "giving them a chance" as it is the Predator getting overconfident. In the climax to the first movie, the Predator starts spamming the Shoulder Cannon like crazy...if even one of those shots managed to hit Arnie he's done for. At the end, though, he realizes how incredibly cunning Arnie has proven to be, what a challenge he has provided, and for that reason the Predator decides that he's worth a more honorable kill instead of just getting blasted. And look at the results: even standing toe-to-toe in a fist fight, Arnie gets his ass kicked. The Predator, confident in it's win because it noticed one of the traps that Arnie led him into, fails to notice the other trap and that proves to be his downfall.

Same thing with Danny Glover in Predator 2. Confident that he's about to take Danny's head in the slaughterhouse, the Predator just kinda stalks up to him instead of going for the kill, leaving his guard down so Danny can whip out the shotty and start blasting.

Now, perhaps you could argue that the aliens are more dangerous in the form of ritualised combat the Predators tend to go for, which is fair enough, but more dangerous in a general sense...no. It's not clear how intelligent the aliens are, but they've no kind of technology of their own, which puts them at the bottom of the ladder.

Actually it is pretty clear how intelligent and thus dangerous the Xenomorphs are. Look at Resurrection: trapped in a cage in which then can be frozen if they start acting fishy, they simply sacrifice one of their buddies so his acid blood will melt through the floor. And what happens after that? I forget how many Xenos were in containment (I want to say 12)...but they're on a ship FULL of space marines, and what's the order of the day? Lock-and-load, everyone grab a motion tracker as we've got some bugs to hunt down? Nope. It's "WE'RE FUCKED! ABANDON SHIP IMMEDIATELY!"

For further evidence of their cunning and intelligence, see also: Aliens. Rather than waltzing right through the door, they come through the ceiling...ambushing the marines who had intended to ambush them.

Then there's all the AvP games where you actually play as the alien. Think about how sneaky you have to be to get past all the traps and blockades the humans set up. You're a singluar Xenomorph, and yet you carve a bloody path across the planet, even taking down multiple Predators...in a 2v1 at one point, no less.

That motherfucker totally belongs in Mortal Kombat. I approve.

RJ 17:
It's not so much about "giving them a chance" as it is the Predator getting overconfident. In the climax to the first movie, the Predator starts spamming the Shoulder Cannon like crazy...if even one of those shots managed to hit Arnie he's done for. At the end, though, he realizes how incredibly cunning Arnie has proven to be, what a challenge he has provided, and for that reason the Predator decides that he's worth a more honorable kill instead of just getting blasted. And look at the results: even standing toe-to-toe in a fist fight, Arnie gets his ass kicked. The Predator, confident in it's win because it noticed one of the traps that Arnie led him into, fails to notice the other trap and that proves to be his downfall.

Same thing with Danny Glover in Predator 2. Confident that he's about to take Danny's head in the slaughterhouse, the Predator just kinda stalks up to him instead of going for the kill, leaving his guard down so Danny can whip out the shotty and start blasting.

Hmmm...not quite sure I'd interpret it that way, but maybe.

RJ 17:
Actually it is pretty clear how intelligent and thus dangerous the Xenomorphs are. Look at Resurrection: trapped in a cage in which then can be frozen if they start acting fishy, they simply sacrifice one of their buddies so his acid blood will melt through the floor. And what happens after that? I forget how many Xenos were in containment (I want to say 12)...but they're on a ship FULL of space marines, and what's the order of the day? Lock-and-load, everyone grab a motion tracker as we've got some bugs to hunt down? Nope. It's "WE'RE FUCKED! ABANDON SHIP IMMEDIATELY!"

Sure...because the soldiers were elsewhere not paying attention, and security was rubbish. You're on a spaceship, you could set the cage up to be ejected into space, or be not firmly attached to the ship and you need to go across on a shuttle or other pressurised transport. Alternatively, make the cell the monsters full of acid are in resistant to acid.

RJ 17:
For further evidence of their cunning and intelligence, see also: Aliens. Rather than waltzing right through the door, they come through the ceiling...ambushing the marines who had intended to ambush them.

I thought that was because that was the only access the humans hadn't welded shut. Again, their previous plan was "run straight into the sentry gun fire until they run out of ammo".

RJ 17:
Then there's all the AvP games where you actually play as the alien. Think about how sneaky you have to be to get past all the traps and blockades the humans set up. You're a singluar Xenomorph, and yet you carve a bloody path across the planet, even taking down multiple Predators...in a 2v1 at one point, no less.

Do you not also kill lots of aliens when you are a marine or predator, though?

thaluikhain:
Sure...because the soldiers were elsewhere not paying attention, and security was rubbish. You're on a spaceship, you could set the cage up to be ejected into space, or be not firmly attached to the ship and you need to go across on a shuttle or other pressurised transport. Alternatively, make the cell the monsters full of acid are in resistant to acid.

As Alien: Isolation shows us, Aliens can apparently enjoy a merry little walk through the vacuum of space. :P

Trust me my friend, on this I am absolute certain: Xenomorphs are far deadlier than humans, at least in terms of a Predator's view. Humans are considered "Soft Meat" while Xenomorphs are considered "Hard Meat", this is a direct correlation to the difficulty of hunts involving those species.

RJ 17:
For further evidence of their cunning and intelligence, see also: Aliens. Rather than waltzing right through the door, they come through the ceiling...ambushing the marines who had intended to ambush them.

I thought that was because that was the only access the humans hadn't welded shut. Again, their previous plan was "run straight into the sentry gun fire until they run out of ammo".

The marines had set up a bottle-neck and they did weld the door shut, however the Xenomorphs had proven themselves capable of busting through such doors. Even if they went through the ceiling because there was no other accessible paths, they still had the cunning to say "screw this, guys, lets go through the ceiling." NINJA ALIENS!!! :P

As for the sentry gun, once a Xenomorph hive has been established and has a decent - by Xenomorph standards - population, they no longer have to focus on stealth and cunning. At this point, their numbers become their greatest strength...they simply overwhelm the opposition. As such they have no problem with just throwing numbers at an obstacle until it's overcome...in this case: just keep throwing Xenos at the sentry guns until they run out of ammo. It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but I'm pretty sure once the gun is out of ammo, they confirm the the Xenos have infiltrated through those choke-points the guns were protecting.

RJ 17:
Then there's all the AvP games where you actually play as the alien. Think about how sneaky you have to be to get past all the traps and blockades the humans set up. You're a singluar Xenomorph, and yet you carve a bloody path across the planet, even taking down multiple Predators...in a 2v1 at one point, no less.

Do you not also kill lots of aliens when you are a marine or predator, though?

This is certainly true...but look at the over-all situation going on: everything is completely screwed and the Xenomorph infestation is in full-swing. Regardless of how many you kill, the Xenos have pretty much won. Yes, I know a marine solo's the Queen, but in the grand scheme of things all that would do - in theory - is buy some time. The reason #6 (the Xeno you play as) goes into hibernation when the Queen dies is so that it can molt and morph into a Queen itself. This is why WT wanted to capture it in the first place: to get their hands on a soon-to-be new Queen that, if left alone, would have assumed control of all the Xenos in that hive.

As much as I am a fan of both Spawn and Predator (more so the latter) I just don't want to see them in Mortal Kombat X; I'd much preferred one of the many MK characters to fill the roles for DLC.

 

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