Steam Machine Pricing Revealed - From $459 to $4,999

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mad825:
This whole introducing people into PC gaming is over before it even started as people aren't going buy one if they get confused first because there are so many versions with different specs/prices. With these kind of people, if you fail at marketing then the whole project is over.

This is my feeling on all of these Steam boxes, since they were first unveiled last year. There has always been already built gaming PCs out there to buy, and for not as much as a non-tech savvy person would think, if they look at the right websites. These Steam Machines just slapped a familiar name on them and will have an OS we can download for free already installed.

I was hoping the (as in a single one) Steam Machine would be a nice bridge for PC gaming, that would only be updated maybe once a year and still allow consumer level upgrades. Instead we got so many configurations right out of the gate. Sure, there is a nice store page that lists of them, but that doesn't help too much when there are over 25 different configurations (25, counting only the base systems and preset configs) for the 15 machines listed on the linked Steam page. That is very confusing for someone who has no idea how to look up what he or she needs. It's a mess that shouldn't have happened.

$459 for that? lol.

No thanks. I don't like steam, but with more games using its DRM I have no choice. I don't need a SteamBox because I don't play PC games in my living room.

It would be so much cheaper to build your own PC. This is seriously overpriced.

Mr.Mattress:
No one is going to buy a console at $459 in this day in age. I mean, look at the XBone! That was $499 and until the price drop it was selling as bad as the WiiU (And worse when Mario Kart 8 came out). So the fact that none of these Consoles are cheaper then $400's will mean that the Steam Machine is going to be a failure.

People will and have been buying consoles at over $459 in this day and age.
The Xbone was never and will never sell as bad as the WiiU.
The price will not be the end-all determining factor for deciding if the steam machine concept will fail or not. Personally i don't care, what i do care about is SteamOS especially with microsoft start talking 'free' OS and XBL for Windows. I've also never held the controller yet, who knows it might be excellent and be the new go-to controller for PC gaming, finally taking over from the 360s.

$450 gets you the console, controller and a good 30-40 of the games on this list:
http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Free%20to%20Play/?tab=MostPlayed
If you want to start spending money, for the $60 a retail PS4/XB1 game goes for you can have Kerbal Space Program, CS:GO, Civ5, Torchlight 2, The Witcher 2 and FTL.
These will last you a full order of magnitude longer than The Order. Each.
How much is 3 years of Xbox Live, again?

Fappy:
Who in their right mind would drop 5k on this this? If you're going to drop that kind of dough you might as well build a machine yourself.

I don't get that either, if someone was spending that much money on a PC they would either build it themselves or get a complete one off customised machine from somewhere like Puget systems.

Why anyone would spend that much is beyond me.

Cowabungaa:
I still don't fully get them, as console gamers will just...stick to consoles, won't they? It sure is cheaper.

Only on the initial console purchase, don't forget on console you have to pay a subscription to get access to online feature of most game and the game themselves are not on sale as often.

Steam machine game also got the advantage that game can also be easily modded, without any technical knowledge, due to steamwork workshop, if dev integrate the feature. Which console as ever supported mod ?

madster11:

Mr.Mattress:
No one is going to buy a console at $459 in this day in age. I mean, look at the XBone! That was $499 and until the price drop it was selling as bad as the WiiU (And worse when Mario Kart 8 came out). So the fact that none of these Consoles are cheaper then $400's will mean that the Steam Machine is going to be a failure.

The Xbone was never and will never sell as bad as the WiiU.

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/games/Wii-U-Potentially-Outsells-Xbox-One-Weekly-Sales-61315.html

It was only a week, but it's still a week. But for a while they both had comparable sales, it wasn't until m$ dropped the price $50 that they managed to stomp on Nintendo's neck.

But both are getting the good old in out from the ps4 sales wise.

iniudan:

Cowabungaa:
I still don't fully get them, as console gamers will just...stick to consoles, won't they? It sure is cheaper.

Only on the initial console purchase, don't forget on console you have to pay a subscription to get access to online feature of most game and the game themselves are not on sale as often.

Steam machine game also got the advantage that game can also be easily modded, without any technical knowledge, due to steamwork workshop, if dev integrate the feature. Which console as ever supported mod ?

But then you forget people are stupid and get easily confused. Look at the entire, $x.99 thing, or that gas is $x.xx9/10. They don't look at the long term of things, just the right now of it. If people were smart, they they would almost never lease a car, these rent to own places would go out of business, and everyone would game on PC.

Roboshi:

Plus, I feel people are forgetting, This is no longer the valve that made Half life 2 episode 2 and TF2, this is the Valve that won't provide quality control on their greenlight service or give a proper refunding service if your game won't work.

Putting Quality Control on Greenlight defeats the whole fucking purpose of Greenlight.

So, these Steam machines were supposed to give the accessibility of consoles to PC games libraries, right? Yet now we hear of high-end gear and high prices, upgrades and changes and so on. Especially the upgrades aspect of it is jarring, how in the world are they going to guarantee upgrading these things won't mess up the accessibility of them, how are they going to avoid the compatibility issues, the driver-needs and so on, that all PC gamers who want to upgrade or tune their gear can run into? At this point, it sounds like a line of regular gaming PCs (from relatively cheap to insanely expensive) put in a computer case stamped with a specific logo and pre-installed with a different default OS. Big whoop. This is just another marketing stunt.

So they are PCs that can be purchased at a variety of price points and spec levels with a significant mark-up for labor? Well for a second there I though they were just the same prebuilts that have been available for years but with heat dispersion issues and a proprietary OS... oh wait.

I do not get these things at all. People who are so technologically inept that they are too scared to buy an existing prebuilt or put in the minuscule effort to custom build are still going to be confused by the variety on display here, console gamers presumably are on consoles because they don't care about "1080p60fpsomgwtfbbq" making better hardware a meaningless benefit, and at the high end the kind of people willing to drop 5k on gaming are either going to build it themselves or go to one of the fancy build-a-PC sites and get and engraved one of a kind case and all the bells and whistles.

Really the only people I can see this appealing to are blind valve loyalists who would buy a six hundred dollar toaster if it had the valve logo on it, and people with such a disgusting amount of disposable income that they would rather drop 1k on a second gaming PC just to connect to the TV rather than just wiring the one they have to the TV with a ten dollar HDMI cable.

Cowabungaa:
Also, $50 for a controller? Sheesh.

Considering a PS4 and Xbone controller will run you $60, that's actually not that bad.

OT: I'm glad that these are finally being released. I probably won't get one since I just built a new gaming PC a few weeks ago, but they still look like pretty badass machines.

major_chaos:
So they are PCs that can be purchased at a variety of price points and spec levels with a significant mark-up for labor? Well for a second there I though they were just the same prebuilts that have been available for years but with heat dispersion issues and a proprietary OS... oh wait.

I do not get these things at all. People who are so technologically inept that they are too scared to buy an existing prebuilt or put in the minuscule effort to custom build are still going to be confused by the variety on display here, console gamers presumably are on consoles because they don't care about "1080p60fpsomgwtfbbq" making better hardware a meaningless benefit, and at the high end the kind of people willing to drop 5k on gaming are either going to build it themselves or go to one of the fancy build-a-PC sites and get and engraved one of a kind case and all the bells and whistles.

Really the only people I can see this appealing to are blind valve loyalists who would buy a six hundred dollar toaster if it had the valve logo on it, and people with such a disgusting amount of disposable income that they would rather drop 1k on a second gaming PC just to connect to the TV rather than just wiring the one they have to the TV with a ten dollar HDMI cable.

This is the sentiment of a lot of people. All arguments aside, that is going to be a problem in selling these things. As I said since the beginning, its the solution to a problem no one had. Should have been ONE set of specs, decent price point and hardware marginally better than the current gen consoles. THEN you start to gain an audience. The current gen consoles have disappointed in game selection, features and functionality. Steam has a nice pre-existing library of games many console users haven't even experienced. The time was right, the execution was wrong.

madster11:

Mr.Mattress:
No one is going to buy a console at $459 in this day in age. I mean, look at the XBone! That was $499 and until the price drop it was selling as bad as the WiiU (And worse when Mario Kart 8 came out). So the fact that none of these Consoles are cheaper then $400's will mean that the Steam Machine is going to be a failure.

People will and have been buying consoles at over $459 in this day and age.
The Xbone was never and will never sell as bad as the WiiU.
The price will not be the end-all determining factor for deciding if the steam machine concept will fail or not. Personally i don't care, what i do care about is SteamOS especially with microsoft start talking 'free' OS and XBL for Windows. I've also never held the controller yet, who knows it might be excellent and be the new go-to controller for PC gaming, finally taking over from the 360s.

$450 gets you the console, controller and a good 30-40 of the games on this list:
http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Free%20to%20Play/?tab=MostPlayed
If you want to start spending money, for the $60 a retail PS4/XB1 game goes for you can have Kerbal Space Program, CS:GO, Civ5, Torchlight 2, The Witcher 2 and FTL.
These will last you a full order of magnitude longer than The Order. Each.
How much is 3 years of Xbox Live, again?

1) Some people have, sure, but a majority of people do not buy consoles that are over $399. The PS3 certainly wasn't selling well when it was $599, and that was before the recession. The XBone wasn't selling well when it was $499, which is why they had to drop the price to $399, in order to compete. That's not to say no one bought these consoles when they where expensive, but it wasn't enough to keep the consoles alive, that's for sure.

2) Actually, the XBone was being outsold by the WiiU around the launch of Mario Kart 8 (Which was 2 weeks after Titan Fall, I might add). The XBone for the majority of it's $499 life did outsell the WiiU, but not by much, and the WiiU was keeping pace with it. When the XBone dropped to $399 was when the XBone finally started to really sell more then the WiiU.

3) The price won't be an end all determining factor, yes, but it will be a factor, there is no doubt about it. A majority of gamers will not buy a console that is over $400 dollars in this day and age; Some might, most will not.

4) I already have Kerbal Space Program and Civilization 5 on my PC, which is another problem with the Steam Machines; Why buy a console to play these games when I can get them on my Computer? Why buy a console for an Operating System that I can get for free and use on my Computer? Why buy a controller that looks a little awkward and has weird "touchpads" when a Mouse and Keyboard are so much more efficient?

Also, my console of Choice is the WiiU, so that, along with Steam on my Computer, makes my Internet Fee for Gaming $0.

And a year later and I'm still not impressed. Although I am very surprised at the lack of zeal considering how the last time Steam Machines were mentioned on here it was full of people trying to convince us that it is indeed the shit.

I just really don't know who this is for? Like, PC people want a couch experience they can hook up their HDMI to the television. Unless of course they are literally so lazy they are willing to shell out money for a Valve console/PC thing to play their steam library on the big screen.

Other than storage space, the mid-range priced steam machines have my PC beat for half the cost. Although, it is a laptop...

I may be in the market for one of these if I don't build my milk-crate computer soon.

but I can see how some console gamers looking to convert to the "PC gaming master race" may see the appeal of these all-in-one media center solutions.

Not at nearly 3 grand they ain't.

So let me get this right, if you buy a Steam Machine you are getting a low to uber high end rig that is gimped by running the Steam OS, i.e you're only playing the games that happened to have been converted to Steam OS (it's not that many by the way ;) )

If you happen to buy one that is dual booting (which anyone with half a brain will be doing anyway) you're basically buying a low to uber high end PC and paying the premium to have someone else build it and get a fancy Steam Logo stuck on it, or, how's the product ANY different to a pre built PC? Oh you get a Steam controller with it... or I could just buy one for my current gaming PC.

It's not an intro product for console gamers wanting to move in to PC gaming, who looks at a gaming market then decides they will buy the machine that limits a fraction of the available games because of the OS it uses? A console gamer looking to move in to PC gaming will buy a dedicated gaming PC, not some half arsed PC that wants to be a console but doesn't have a clue what the hell it actually is.

Laughing Man:

but I can see how some console gamers looking to convert to the "PC gaming master race" may see the appeal of these all-in-one media center solutions.

Not at nearly 3 grand they ain't.

So let me get this right, if you buy a Steam Machine you are getting a low to uber high end rig that is gimped by running the Steam OS, i.e you're only playing the games that happened to have been converted to Steam OS (it's not that many by the way ;) )

If you happen to buy one that is dual booting (which anyone with half a brain will be doing anyway) you're basically buying a low to uber high end PC and paying the premium to have someone else build it and get a fancy Steam Logo stuck on it, or, how's the product ANY different to a pre built PC? Oh you get a Steam controller with it... or I could just buy one for my current gaming PC.

It's not an intro product for console gamers wanting to move in to PC gaming, who looks at a gaming market then decides they will buy the machine that limits a fraction of the available games because of the OS it uses? A console gamer looking to move in to PC gaming will buy a dedicated gaming PC, not some half arsed PC that wants to be a console but doesn't have a clue what the hell it actually is.

The harsh reality of the "Steam machine" that it is a console with mutltiple spec models at launch as opposed to the one or two models that Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo has. They don't really know what it is because they want to describe it as anything but a console that has Steam OS on it. Just like how Xbox has a Microosoft OS, etc. etc.

That's it. That's what the Steambox is. A console for PC gamers that don't want to admit that they dislike consoles so much that when they want the benefits of one without actually buying one they will get one from Valve that are emphasizing that it's totally not a console.

CAPTCHA: ups a daisy.

Hard truth.

The Webhallen S15-01 looks nice for someone looking to get into PC gaming but doesn't want to get a custom-built PC, but if you really want to get the best value, a custom built PC with the right parts would still be ideal.

Dragonbums:

The harsh reality of the "Steam machine" that it is a console with mutltiple spec models at launch as opposed to the one or two models that Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo has. They don't really know what it is because they want to describe it as anything but a console that has Steam OS on it. Just like how Xbox has a Microosoft OS, etc. etc.

That's it. That's what the Steambox is. A console for PC gamers that don't want to admit that they dislike consoles so much that when they want the benefits of one without actually buying one they will get one from Valve that are emphasizing that it's totally not a console.

CAPTCHA: ups a daisy.

Hard truth.

Maybe that's it! It's not a PC for converting console gamers, it's a Console to convert PC gamers who are scared by the idea of a system that doesn't come in a pricing range on the same scale of some small cars and don't want to admit to playing with a controller.

Hey, maybe with a little competition my Playstation or Xbox web browsers will finally get a damn flash plug-in so I don't have to wait for an app to give the same free internet content that's only available through PC browsers. Or I could just stop complaining and buy one of these.

Fappy:
Who in their right mind would drop 5k on this this? If you're going to drop that kind of dough you might as well build a machine yourself.

The kind of people who buy laptops for gaming or any Alienware product in general.

That cheap ibuypower model is actually not bad at all. A VERY nice value for a prebuild with those specs.

Ummm... those prices are terrible. You could build that low end one yourself for around $200-$250. Man... what a terrible endeavor this turned out to be.

Let's not forget all these machines also ship with SteamOS, and we haven't heard anything about that yet. Could be a pain, who knows. Most people probably couldn't be bothered installing a different OS themselves, either.

Anyway, those prices are pretty bad. Like, at least 50% more than the cost of building a similar system yourself. I haven't looked at every different model though, so there could be some good deals there.
And they come with a Steam controller (that's an extra $50 value in the price) so presumably no mouse or keyboard, and they're marketed as lounge-room PCs so presumably no screen either... Those prices are looking worse and worse.

Cowabungaa:
Also, $50 for a controller? Sheesh.

Isn't that typical for a controller at launch? Pretty sure the XOne controller was like $60 when I got one. Oh wait, Google says it's still like $80 from the official Microsoft store.

zelda2fanboy:
Hey, maybe with a little competition my Playstation or Xbox web browsers will finally get a damn flash plug-in so I don't have to wait for an app to give the same free internet content that's only available through PC browsers. Or I could just stop complaining and buy one of these.

Consoles don't have Flash? Wow, even Android has Flash. Oh well, Flash is going out nowadays anyway. With Youtube having recently switched over to HTML5 video, most of the Flash remaining on the internet will just be in annoying banner ads.

Laughing Man:
So let me get this right, if you buy a Steam Machine you are getting a low to uber high end rig that is gimped by running the Steam OS, i.e you're only playing the games that happened to have been converted to Steam OS (it's not that many by the way ;) )

Well, there's at least 1,000 Steam games that are confirmed to run on Linux right now, and the list is rapidly growing (SteamOS is built on Linux). That seems a fair deal better than the er, Ryse: Son of Rome that launched with the Xbox One.

I can provide a person who might want to get this; me.

I am sick and tired of Windows and my laptops constantly dealing with crap and no resale value and so on, and so I shall be jumping to Mac soon; the downside? I can't play many of my games, and my Mac is to be a primarily work focused laptop.

This possibly allows me the chance to have a gaming rig for Steam without having to deal with a huge desktop or another laptop which I cannot upgrade. I'm fine with the price of $700 for decent specs (far above my current laptop), and it will sit nicely besides my PS4.

Yes, I am one of those horrible people who simply don't like building a computer, getting hold of the parts and making sure it all works is a pain in the arse when it is prebuilt, let alone if I Frankenstein one together. So if I can find a way to see if all my games have jumped ship to the SteamOS, then I'll likely consider buying this.

those $5000 machines are complete bullshit. They can't even put an i7 5820k in there, which you totally can, in a computer less than half the price... also 3 GPUs can actually be a hinderance in certain games wherein no performance is gained relative to 2 cards. The only thing going for this is the small size.

However let's see for how much I can build one of those:

Falcon's: $3030 (Save $2000)
Origin's: $2090 (Save $2900)

Gigantic profits. I hope no one buys those. I didn't use cheap parts either.

I laugh every time someone's primary point of contention for these things is "But who is it for?!??!???!" [1]

They're for anyone who wants a PC. How is this hard to understand?

Maybe someone wants to upgrade. Maybe someone wants a secondary or tertiary machine for their spouse or kids. Maybe someone needs to replace their broken or dated rig. Maybe someone wants to get into PC/Steam gaming but hasn't a clue where to start. Whatever the case, they can get a Steam Machine somewhere within their price range.

"Oh, but they could probably build their own for less money!", you'll say. Well no shit. Of course they can. But get this: As hard as this might be to swallow for some of you, the average person (even the average gamer) doesn't know how to build their own computer. Most don't even know the difference between a CPU and a GPU. So having access to prebuilts is a boon for these sorts of users.

And even for some who do know how to build their own, the ease of getting a prebuilt, and having the support that (usually) comes with them, is a more hassle-free option than building one themselves.

And now you'll probably say, "So then how are these any different than any other prebuilt?!?!" Well, they all come preinstalled with SteamOS, are optimized for SteamOS and the Steam platform, and include a Steam controller. Something other prebuilts won't have. Beyond that, it may vary from build to build.

The point of these things isn't to replace your PCs. They're not like the current crop of consoles wherein Valve plans to hold game releases hostage by saying, "You want to play this game? You have to get a Steam Machine!" No, they're just a line of prebuilt PCs with specialized configurations for optimal use of SteamOS and the Steam platform that include Steam-related hardware. That's it. You don't need them to play your games. They're not some requirement for the 'Steam experience'. If you don't want one or see the need for one, that's fine, I'm probably in agreement, but let's not pretend that there isn't at least some part of the market that will want them.

Vivi22:
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Cripes, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one to notice this trend. It's like a bout of willful ignorance has gripped some people.

[1] I always read their comments as if it's said with nasally voice.

I just can't imagine that many people will buy this.
What's it do that what we already have can't?
If console players cared about specs, which honestly equates to slightly prettier graphics, over whatever their current consoles offer them, they would be on PC. If you play on PC why would you want this? As far as I'm aware it doesn't have any exclusives, its controller looks horrible, and does nothing unique.

And aside from their sales, I hate Valve with a passion. Everything they make just annoys me, from Steam to their games. Yet they somehow get so much love.

Aiddon:
I don't think Valve quite understands how consoles work. I can't see people plonking down for a system that is more expensive than what Sony/MS/Nintendo are offering at the bare minimum. If you're going to spend this much ya might as well get a console which can also get you a few games or peripherals for the price difference. At best this'll be niche, at worst Valve is in for a rude awakening.

I think a lot of people might be surprised, these could do really well.

They can be a lot cheaper than consoles. My £2k gaming rig is cheaper than a console. for some reason people don't count the cost of games in the equation right now which is stupid, why do we just list the price of getting the box home? im talking about steam machines being unique the only "console solution" where the games are not carrying a 10-20$ licencing fee each , plan on buying 10-20 games over the life of the console? might find you spend less spending 400 more on the original box.

they are always backwards compatible.

highest percentage of games released available. with sony and MS realizing they just need to compete against each other most titles now are coming out as console exclusives and turning up available for the pc.

access to the worlds most played games. League of legends , world of warcraft etc things that consoles have never had before. access to a huge amount of top quality free games, nosgoth , warframe, war thunder, dota 2,path of exile. there are some massive free games around now.

then theres the bomb , the ace in the hole that im expecting valve to drop "steam+"
ol Gabe takes the stage , "oh and were introducing steam+ , our subscription service any game a month old or older on steam is available to play unlimited time and downloads for just $15 a month"

now i dont know if that last will happen , i just know the same as all the rest of us, and that is steam machines dont really add up , but im aware valve are pretty smart guys not prone to acts of sheer stupidity, which leads me to suspect we dont know the full plan yet, but i can easily see ways for valve to blow this thing wide open and that steam+ is just one example.

Some of those specs are staggeringly good for the price. I couldn't get an i7 processor and a GTX 980 for 700(or even 900) dollars. If I can dismantle them and pop them in a new motherboard these things just might be parts farms for me.

Now I just need a motherboard with the right socket and a power supply full of steroids... Maybe water cooling too.

WouldYouKindly:

Now I just need a motherboard with the right socket and a power supply full of steroids... Maybe water cooling too.

If you're getting a Titan and a top-tier i7, then that water cooling is an absolute must. And as for power....

Consider a small nuclear reactor. It might fill your need.

Vigormortis:

WouldYouKindly:

Now I just need a motherboard with the right socket and a power supply full of steroids... Maybe water cooling too.

If you're getting a Titan and a top-tier i7, then that water cooling is an absolute must. And as for power....

Consider a small nuclear reactor. It might fill your need.

Oh, I wish. I'll take a decent i7 and the GTX 980 thank you very much. I'm just not sure a 650W power supply will handle that very well, although by all reports the new 9-- series is extremely efficient for the performance.

Steven Bogos:
Do any of these Steam Machines tickle your fancy? Personally, I'm content with just plugging my gaming PC into my TV via a really long HDMI cable, and using an Xbox 360 controller, but I can see how some console gamers looking to convert to the "PC gaming master race" may see the appeal of these all-in-one media center solutions.

Well I can't for the life of me see how this appeals to consoleros coming straight out of a very cut and dry world where everyone can see that a ps2 is more powerful than a ps1.
Even I as a PC user don't know how powerful exactly an "AMD Athlon™ X4 840" is and if it beats a "Core i7 4790Ks" and there are 15 (!) options so far.
1 option, that's what would appeal to console gamers cause what's going on right now is no different from prefab pcs.

With console gamers out of the picture, I wonder what the audience for those things is cause people who already have a PC can and do, as you say, just use their PC and if those things are priced above prefab pcs with the same parts, they're pretty much dead on arrival unless valve can somehow pull an apple and make people throw their brains against the wall.
All I see is another ouya waiting to happen.

Console Peasant here, only recently have I started to do much gaming on my PC. Now, I already have me a bitchin PC (Specs seem high enough to Run the Recommended Settings for Witcher 3, at least according to Can Run it), and let me just say there is no way in hell I'd buy a steambox at the cheapest prices it has listed. 450? Right now I could get the PS4 with Last of Us and Destiny for 50$ less then just the Steam Machine. Same price once the deal ends.

You can find a decent enough gaming PC at that price range pre-built, even better at that price if you take the time to build your own.

I really just don't see the point if you have to drop that much money on the thing.

When has a console system shared over multiple manufacturers with loads of different specs ever been a success? All previous attempts have failed, and ruined companies.
On top of that, just because "the specs are better" doesn't mean it will actually run the games comparable to a console (talking about the low end model here, the specs of my laptop are better than an XBox 360, but Alan Wake still looks like shit on it when compared to the XBox 360 version. And about the games, this runs on Steam OS, not all of the games available on Steam are actually compatible with that, sure Valve's will likely work, but wow, those are soooo old anyway and have been ported to pretty much everything now, including smartphones.

Who are the market for these exactly? PC gamers I presume prefer to build their machines themselves for less, after all that's one of the main arguments they bring up for PC gaming, console players already have their consoles and won't really see the point in these, general consumers will be utterly confused by these and then just go with the brand of console they're most familiar with. Most people don't even understand the difference between their current old phone, and the latest model, how do you expect these people to understand why one of these consoles is more expensive than the other although they have the same name?

And yes these are consoles, they're designed to look like a console, they plug into your TV like a console, they are prebuilt like a console, they work using a controller like a console, and just like a console they're dedicated to playing games and have a special custom OS.

And seriously, why would I spend this kind of money? More games? Oh yes, because I totally want to play all the crap that litters Steam, oh yeah, there are a couple good ones there, but I can get those on my console, or I even have them already.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but that "cheapest model" right there should benchmark more powerful than current gen consoles, if I'm not mistaken.

Fappy:
Who in their right mind would drop 5k on this this? If you're going to drop that kind of dough you might as well build a machine yourself.

Lazy people? But honestly, most likely for people that don't know any better when it comes to building PCs. You'd be surprised how many people don't realize that there are options besides pre-built. I'm not talking your typical gamer here, more like your grandma looking to buy her grandkids one of them new-fangled PlayBoxes and X-Stations!

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