Check Out Batman v Superman's First Teaser Trailer

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I won't say that I'm 'beyond caring' or any such nonsense because I do care about Superman, and most of the other characters who are being awkwardly inserted into this film. I just can't find any enthusiasm for this movie because everything I've seen of it and my lasting impression from Man of Steel was that nearly no one involved had any themselves.

A superhuman hero that represents hope and serves as a role model for many and a rich genius human using technology and near limitless wealth at his disposal. Their friendship and past teamwork put to the test as their clashing ideologies cause both of them to come to blows as both believe themselves to be right, and many may suffer consequences of their actions.

But enough about Captain America 3.

This isn't going to go well. Batman and Superman STARTING as enemies is not the way to go about this. I'm happy there's actual colour in this instead of that desaturated grey filter that covered Man of Steel, but otherwise it looks like they've gone Red Son/Injustice with this, making Superman out to be an unintentional dictatorial figure while Batman stops him. There's not character development for them now. It's just them meeting and fighting. No history together, no reason for Superman to feel he can't hurt his old friend, Batman's just showing up and fighting him. This is going to be the worst of Frank Miller's Batman put to screen.

Bat Vader:
Seems like they may be and hopefully heavily borrowing from The Dark Knight Returns. That's what I hope they do for most of the film.

Pure opinion from me, but let me just say The Dark Knight Returns sucks.

It's very well written, well structured, and when Batman is being Batman it works. But when Superman gets involved, it sucks. Frank Miller hates Superman with a passion and this comic is the thing people always turn to so they can say "See, Batman always beats Superman!" ignoring the other 11 times they've fought and Batman got his arse handed to him or had to find a way out in time to not get killed. I don't buy for a minute that Superman would become a government pawn nor do I believe he would become the god-figure he's being depicted as here. He was raised as a farmboy his whole life, he was taught humility and to always do the right thing, and his father's death in the comics (seriously, MoS? The fuck?) showed that with all his power he still couldn't save his father from something as common as a heart attack. Superman is, ironically, one of the most human superheroes in the DCU.

mrverbal:

IOwnTheSpire:

SupahGamuh:
No. Just... no.

I had zero expectations about this film before watching the trailer and now I really don't want to see it, it's like DC is intentionally trying to be "dark" and "edgy" to contrast Marvel... well... actually having fun. I'll pass.

Of course they want to be separate from Marvel. Just because Marvel's formula works doesn't mean everyone else should copy them. DC's universe has barely gotten to its feet yet you guys keep smacking it down before its had a chance to rise. There are many different ways to do comic book movies and DC's approach is just as valid as any other.

DC's approach? Giving the franchise to a complete hack who (a) has never made a good film, and (b) has public stated that he hates the character of superman? How is that a good strategy? They've publicly announced they don't like fun.

The character of Superman is to be despised if you're a story writer of any kind. He's a paragon, above reproach and almost entirely uninteresting because of it. Too powerful with too few weaknesses save the McGuffin that is kryptonite. He does inspire our imaginations as flawed people but the stories they depict are all the harder for maintaining it.

I wish they'd just done a true adaptation of The Dark Knight Rises and just written in the Superman confrontation as a bigger scene.

Oh well, some day.

I am not going to lie. I will go see this movie. I like the genre and Superman and Batman are the biggest heavy hitters of it. If Marvel makes me care for movies about B-list and C-list characters, I can't say I care about the genre and deny that I will see what is (on paper) the biggest comic adaptation in a long time.

But I do have a lot of problems with the trailer and the idea of the movie so far. To put it simply, Superman is not a brooding and tormented character. He is an aspiration, he is the epitome on potential and boyhood power fantasy. He is supposed to make us look up to him and try to be better, not look down and pity him for his lost planet and his constant restraint and hiding. In the previous movie, his father urges him to let a bus full of kids die so that no one sees him (WTF was that?)...

Unfortunately, it seems WB and Snyder are incapable of creating dramatic characterization without gloom. I forgave some of the misleads of the previous movie because they were meant to show a young Superman, who still struggles with his powers and how to present himself to the world. Fine, be like that, sell it like an character arc. He starts as a seclusive hobo but in the end he is the Superman we all know and love... Except it leads nowhere; since now it seems like he grew up to be even worst.

Even his suit is closer to black than any bright colors. I can't hardly wait for the appearance of the other characters in the Justice League: Feldgrau Green Lantern and the Maroon Flash. They already revealed the black and grey Aquaman and the brown Wonder Woman...

hermes200:
I am not going to lie. I will go see this movie. I like the genre and Superman and Batman are the biggest heavy hitters of it. If Marvel makes me care for movies about B-list and C-list characters, I can't say I care about the genre and deny that I will see what is (on paper) the biggest comic adaptation in a long time.

But I do have a lot of problems with the trailer and the idea of the movie so far. To put it simply, Superman is not a brooding and tormented character. He is an aspiration, he is the epitome on potential and boyhood power fantasy. He is supposed to make us look up to him and try to be better, not look down and pity him for his lost planet and his constant restraint and hiding. In the previous movie, his father urges him to let a bus full of kids die so that no one sees him (WTF was that?)...

Unfortunately, it seems WB and Snyder are incapable of creating dramatic characterization without gloom. I forgave some of the misleads of the previous movie because they were meant to show a young Superman, who still struggles with his powers and how to present himself to the world. Fine, be like that, sell it like an character arc. He starts as a seclusive hobo but in the end he is the Superman we all know and love... Except it leads nowhere; since now it seems like he grew up to be even worst.

Even his suit is closer to black than any bright colors. I can't hardly wait for the appearance of the other characters in the Justice League: Feldgrau Green Lantern and the Maroon Flash. They already revealed the black and grey Aquaman and the brown Wonder Woman...

How is Superman even worse? You think he wants those people to worship him? I'm willing to bet he doesn't like being seen as a god. The reason Superman is brooding is because he's an alien who (at first) didn't know who he was or what he should do with his life. People who feel lost and alone (as an alien probably would on Earth) aren't supposed to be bright and cheerful. It's made clear he will become a pinnacle of good, but he's not going to get there overnight.

Also, Jonathan DID NOT urge him to let those kids die, and I'm sick of people who keep saying that. When he said maybe, he was saying he doesn't have all the answers; he questioned whether the consequences of Clark revealing himself would be worth it, and given how people are reacting to him in BvS, his concerns had merit.

The costumes appear dark due to the lighting; the photos of WW and Aquaman had colour filters on them, if you look closely, WW's costume is red and blue, and some people have altered the Aquaman photo to get an idea of what his colours will be. One thing is for sure is that the outfits DO have colour.

IOwnTheSpire:
The costumes appear dark due to the lighting; the photos of WW and Aquaman had colour filters on them, if you look closely, WW's costume is red and blue, and some people have altered the Aquaman photo to get an idea of what his colours will be. One thing is for sure is that the outfits DO have colour.

Of course they have. Everything has colors, and grey and black are colors too... But it is not that they are blue and red, they are several degrees less bright that pure red and blue. They are desaturated to go with the gloomy feel of their entire world.

In the case of WW, I shouldn't have to "look closely" to notice if something has primary colors in it; and the Aquaman example is an awful example. If fans have to photoshop the picture (an official digital marketing picture over a solid background, I might add; not something that could be prone to poor lights, camera quality or lack of color in the printer), then it is not what it "will be", but what it ought to be.

IOwnTheSpire:
Never made a good film? You'll find plenty of people who liked Man of Steel and Watchmen, 300 has its fans, as does Sucker Punch. Good is more subjective than your narrow mind can seem to comprehend.

If you're going to reference "plenty of people" as a defense that it's a good movie, I'm gonna bring up Rotten Tomatoes. Snyder's highest score on the Tomatometer is 75%, and three of his six films are rotten(below 60%). His worst is a 23%. Contrast Nolan, who's done 8 and never had one below 72%, or Whedon, who hasn't fallen below 82% over three films. There's clearly some kind of difference there.

Personally, having seen and read Watchmen, I noticed that Snyder had a tendency to create beautiful replicas of emotionally-charged imagery from the comic; but without the emotional impact. He doesn't lay the groundwork properly, so the same images fall flat. I'm worried that's going to happen here. He's using imagery from the Dark Knight Returns, but I'm given to understand that the comic itself is powerful because of the long-standing friendship between Batman and Superman. I'm not confident it will have nearly as much impact with a Batman and Superman who are meeting for the first time.

I'm pretty sure the whole Versus thing is just misdirection and will be over before the half of the movie and they will realise it was all just a big misunderstanding before joining forces against the BBEG. It's cliche as hell, but even though the comics got away with it I really don't think they will make one of DC's biggest hitters an actual mad on power dictator in a movie ... the cliche just seems a ton more likely. Which I don't have a problem with, cliche done right is fine.

My problem is that unless they depower Superman somehow this is going to get really silly. Batman going up against Superman in a metal suit is bugs bunny tire. They can either just pretend just for those few scenes that Superman is not a skyscraper destroying superspeedster (which is silly) or they can make Superman treat Batman with kid gloves (which makes Batman look silly).

Vausch:
A superhuman hero that represents hope and serves as a role model for many and a rich genius human using technology and near limitless wealth at his disposal. Their friendship and past teamwork put to the test as their clashing ideologies cause both of them to come to blows as both believe themselves to be right, and many may suffer consequences of their actions.

But enough about Captain America 3.

This isn't going to go well. Batman and Superman STARTING as enemies is not the way to go about this. I'm happy there's actual colour in this instead of that desaturated grey filter that covered Man of Steel, but otherwise it looks like they've gone Red Son/Injustice with this, making Superman out to be an unintentional dictatorial figure while Batman stops him. There's not character development for them now. It's just them meeting and fighting. No history together, no reason for Superman to feel he can't hurt his old friend, Batman's just showing up and fighting him. This is going to be the worst of Frank Miller's Batman put to screen.

Bat Vader:
Seems like they may be and hopefully heavily borrowing from The Dark Knight Returns. That's what I hope they do for most of the film.

Pure opinion from me, but let me just say The Dark Knight Returns sucks.

It's very well written, well structured, and when Batman is being Batman it works. But when Superman gets involved, it sucks. Frank Miller hates Superman with a passion and this comic is the thing people always turn to so they can say "See, Batman always beats Superman!" ignoring the other 11 times they've fought and Batman got his arse handed to him or had to find a way out in time to not get killed. I don't buy for a minute that Superman would become a government pawn nor do I believe he would become the god-figure he's being depicted as here. He was raised as a farmboy his whole life, he was taught humility and to always do the right thing, and his father's death in the comics (seriously, MoS? The fuck?) showed that with all his power he still couldn't save his father from something as common as a heart attack. Superman is, ironically, one of the most human superheroes in the DCU.

You do remember that the Avengers fought in their first movie right? Thor attacked the plane transporting Loki and the Hulk nearly crashed the Helicarrier.

Agent_Z:

Vausch:
A superhuman hero that represents hope and serves as a role model for many and a rich genius human using technology and near limitless wealth at his disposal. Their friendship and past teamwork put to the test as their clashing ideologies cause both of them to come to blows as both believe themselves to be right, and many may suffer consequences of their actions.

But enough about Captain America 3.

This isn't going to go well. Batman and Superman STARTING as enemies is not the way to go about this. I'm happy there's actual colour in this instead of that desaturated grey filter that covered Man of Steel, but otherwise it looks like they've gone Red Son/Injustice with this, making Superman out to be an unintentional dictatorial figure while Batman stops him. There's not character development for them now. It's just them meeting and fighting. No history together, no reason for Superman to feel he can't hurt his old friend, Batman's just showing up and fighting him. This is going to be the worst of Frank Miller's Batman put to screen.

Bat Vader:
Seems like they may be and hopefully heavily borrowing from The Dark Knight Returns. That's what I hope they do for most of the film.

Pure opinion from me, but let me just say The Dark Knight Returns sucks.

It's very well written, well structured, and when Batman is being Batman it works. But when Superman gets involved, it sucks. Frank Miller hates Superman with a passion and this comic is the thing people always turn to so they can say "See, Batman always beats Superman!" ignoring the other 11 times they've fought and Batman got his arse handed to him or had to find a way out in time to not get killed. I don't buy for a minute that Superman would become a government pawn nor do I believe he would become the god-figure he's being depicted as here. He was raised as a farmboy his whole life, he was taught humility and to always do the right thing, and his father's death in the comics (seriously, MoS? The fuck?) showed that with all his power he still couldn't save his father from something as common as a heart attack. Superman is, ironically, one of the most human superheroes in the DCU.

You do remember that the Avengers fought in their first movie right? Thor attacked the plane transporting Loki and the Hulk nearly crashed the Helicarrier.

You also notice each one of those instances had well established reasons for them? Thor attacked the plane because he was trying to get Loki back, Tony attacked Thor because he thought he was an accomplice of Loki, and Hulk is a wild-card rage machine that will attack anything if he doesn't have a target, as stated in Incredible Hulk. "I can't control it, but maybe I can aim it". All set up well and they had a total of 5 movies beforehand to do so.

Dawn of Justice is just

"I'm Batman. Gonna beat you up Superman."

-Er...why?

"Cuz I'm Batman".

-Have I done anything to you personally? Or am I doing something authoritarian like forcing people to do my bidding because I'm so powerful?

"I dunno, the writers didn't have enough time to establish anything like that in the first movie and I didn't get one to hosw why I would not like you. Hrm."

-Wanna get coffee? I know a good diner downtown.

"Um...sure."

Vausch:
[quote="Agent_Z" post="7.874176.21964628"][quote="Vausch" post="7.874176.21959323"]A superhuman hero that represents hope and serves as a role model for many and a rich genius human using technology and near limitless wealth at his disposal. Their friendship and past teamwork put to the test as their clashing ideologies cause both of them to come to blows as both believe themselves to be right, and many may suffer consequences of their actions.

But enough about Captain America 3.

This isn't going to go well. Batman and Superman STARTING as enemies is not the way to go about this. I'm happy there's actual colour in this instead of that desaturated grey filter that covered Man of Steel, but otherwise it looks like they've gone Red Son/Injustice with this, making Superman out to be an unintentional dictatorial figure while Batman stops him. There's not character development for them now. It's just them meeting and fighting. No history together, no reason for Superman to feel he can't hurt his old friend, Batman's just showing up and fighting him. This is going to be the worst of Frank Miller's Batman put to screen.

[quote="Bat Vader" post="7.874176.21959163"]You also notice each one of those instances had well established reasons for them? Thor attacked the plane because he was trying to get Loki back, Tony attacked Thor because he thought he was an accomplice of Loki, and Hulk is a wild-card rage machine that will attack anything if he doesn't have a target, as stated in Incredible Hulk. "I can't control it, but maybe I can aim it". All set up well and they had a total of 5 movies beforehand to do so.

Dawn of Justice is just

"I'm Batman. Gonna beat you up Superman."

-Er...why?

"Cuz I'm Batman".

-Have I done anything to you personally? Or am I doing something authoritarian like forcing people to do my bidding because I'm so powerful?

"I dunno, the writers didn't have enough time to establish anything like that in the first movie and I didn't get one to hosw why I would not like you. Hrm."

-Wanna get coffee? I know a good diner downtown.

"Um...sure."

We don't know the circumstances that lead to Clark and Bruce fighting in the first place. Though fan speculation points to Luthor manipulating them into fighting each other. I agree MoS had it's flaws, but I think even the writers are aware you can't build an entire movie around a conflict between these two characters without an explanation.

Also, Thor could have saved himself a whole lot of trouble by just explaining who he was and why he needed Loki.

I hate the premise of this movie, and I hate the audience I'm assuming its aiming for.
I feel bad coming into a thread just to complain but damn.

Secondly, I hate how there is even a question here. Batman stand no chance. Yes, he's the cooler character. But its like a cool looking fly going up against a frog with an aimbot.
Most people just say kryptonite, like it means something. Superman could get get his hands on a nuke easier than Bats could get kryptonite and just lob it withing a half a country of batman. Game over.

Agent_Z:

We don't know the circumstances that lead to Clark and Bruce fighting in the first place. Though fan speculation points to Luthor manipulating them into fighting each other. I agree MoS had it's flaws, but I think even the writers are aware you can't build an entire movie around a conflict between these two characters without an explanation.

Also, Thor could have saved himself a whole lot of trouble by just explaining who he was and why he needed Loki.

Which is my point. Batman and Superman are and were very quickly friends in the comics. They didn't start by fighting each other.

Also I don't see Batman being that easily manipulated. This man is a genius level intellect with nigh-limitless resources and funding. Researching a claim made by Luthor would be easy for him.

I hate MoS with a passion. When "How it Should have Ended" doesn't even need to make anything up to make their ending, the movie has failed. "Hm, I can speak to my father who has all the information on Krypton and might know these guys...Nah, a random minister probably knows the right answer!". And worst of all, it made me like Green Lantern more retroactively. That's a sin, MoS. That's a true sin!

Loki is a trickster and can manipulate people very easily. Thor considered Loki's crimes to be a problem of Asgard, not earth, and didn't think they had the authority or the means to keep him safely detained.

Vausch:

Agent_Z:

Which is my point. Batman and Superman are and were very quickly friends in the comics. They didn't start by fighting each other.

Depends on which version of their first meeting. I remember in post crisis continuity, they first met when Superman tried to arrest Batman under the U.S government's orders.

[quote="Vausch" post="7.874176.21965679"][quote="Agent_Z" post="7.874176.21965577"]
Also I don't see Batman being that easily manipulated. This man is a genius level intellect with nigh-limitless resources and funding. Researching a claim made by Luthor would be easy for him.

I did say fan speculation. Again, the exact circumstances of what leads to this fight remain unknown for now. Maybe Luthor finds a way to frame Superman for a crime. Batman has been shown to be slow to trust super powered beings in the comics before. The entire movie is going to be dedicated to this conflict, so we'll see how they approach it.

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