Fire Emblem Fates Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage to the Series

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Fire Emblem Fates Will Introduce Same-Sex Marriage to the Series

Fire Emblem Fates will make it possible for the player character to fall in love with and marry a member of the same sex.

While Fire Emblem as a series boasts great tactical gameplay, the heart and soul of the series is arguably its focus on relationships. The soldiers in your army aren't just faceless cannon fodder, they're fully fledged characters who can bond with their comrades and, in many cases, fall in love, get married and even have children. As much as many fans adore this mechanic however, there have been some holes in its execution. Up until now, the game has only allowed for heterosexual romances. According to recent reports however, that's all about to change.

Speaking about the game, Nintendo has confirmed that the next entry in the long-running RPG series will include options for the player character to pursue a same-sex relationship with another member of the cast. "We can confirm that Fire Emblem Fates for Nintendo 3DS, which launches in Japan on June 25, 2015, and is coming to the U.S. and Europe in 2016, includes the possibility for a same-sex marriage to take place between the main character created by the gamer and another character in the game," said Nintendo.

Elaborating, the company stated that the same-sex relationship options will be restricted based on which version of the game you purchase. As previously reported, Fates will be split into two game which, Nintendo has now revealed, will be dubbed Conquest and Birthright in the United States and Europe. "In the Conquest edition of the game, there is a male character that the game's player may have his/her male main character marry after they bond in battle," explained the company. "Similarly, the Birthright edition features a female character that a female main character may marry after bonding in battle." Nintendo would go on to say that a "third edition" of the game containing both same-sex options will be made available as DLC "at a later stage."

Speaking personally as someone excited for Fates, I'm left feeling like Nintendo might be blundering a bit by dividing up the romance options. Don't get me wrong, I think its great that Fire Emblem is moving forward with same-sex relationships, especially when you consider how Nintendo has responded to this issue in the past. That said, putting one gender's same-sex option in one game but not another is something that could genuinely affect how much some gamers are able to enjoy the different versions. It also feels a bit cheap to me that gaining access to all of the romantic options will basically make it necessary to purchase DLC down the road. What do you guys think? Is Nintendo erring on this one or am I just being overly negative about what's otherwise actually fairly good news?

Source: Polygon

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What about us bisexulal polygamists? I wanna marry both a guy and girl.

Nintendo's so backwards thinking.

I don't mind if they're splitting up male same sex romance in one version and female on the other, they're splitting up the cast of characters after all so there's a chance that would happen.

"In the Conquest edition of the game, there is a male character that the game's player may have his/her male main character marry after they bond in battle," explained the company. "Similarly, the Birthright edition features a female character that a female main character may marry after bonding in battle." Nintendo would go on to say that a "third edition" of the game containing both same-sex options will be made available as DLC "at a later stage."

That's.... a really strange way to do it.
Nintendo really seems to want people to buy all the versions.[1]

[1] or at least two if you can buy the third DLC without buying both Birthright and Conquest

I can get the game(s) off of eshop tomorrow. =)

Just as a sidenote: Fire Emblem as a series has definitely allowed for homosexual relationships before (hell, they went so far as to make Ike, the main character of two of their games, gay), they just tend to be less obvious and require a bit of reading between the lines because apparently it was considered MORE problematic to depict than incest. What a strange time we lived through.

More on topic, it's rather distressing how far they seem to be going to make me not want to buy these games out of protest. The split game thing is STILL a blatant money grab and I'm furious that nobody else was complaining loud enough to make them pack that shit in for the international release. But now you CAN'T even say that each game offers a complete suite of options because they managed to cock this up to. Why? Why are they doing it like this? Awakening pulled the series from the brink of death and so they're trying to pull shit like this immediately? What the hell are they thinking?
If they had just been like: "Hey, here's that cool game you liked only different and three times as big, spare a copper?" I would be constantly having to buy new trousers with every update, but now? Urgh. I should not be questioning whether or not I want to support my absolute favourite video game franchise.

It is really weird to limit the options depending on the game, and I'm not sure how it'd work if there's a bi character present, but speaking as an asexual guy I'm excited by this. Awakening had some great totally-not-romance-honest supports between same sex characters so seeing them get official recognition is nice. Question though, won't this affect the age rating? I thought, in the US at least, any direct mention of a gay character got stuff slapped with an automatic 15 label.

Is Conquest Nohr and Birthright is Hoshido?

Either way, yeah I agree making a single gay/ lesbian character depending which versions you get is not that forward especially when there is only ONE gay/ lesbian in the game. Ideally there should be a few more gay and lesbian characters and you, your avatar can persude whoever you want that to marry is if the character is gay/ lesbian in the first place.

In saying so I have a feeling who could be the gay character in Nohr/ Conquest althought I could be just sterotyping a little bit?

They should have just made 2 lesbian and 2 gay dudes and split them evenly between the versions. The way they're doing it is super weird.

Just the way they put it is odd. I'm just imagining people being like "Oh which version did you get?" "The gay version." "Oh cool I got the lesbian version!"

I agree with the sentiment that this is odd, though a step forward is still good. I know you can get the DLC down the line, but sucks that you're out of luck initially if your preferred story perspective and romantic option don't line up.

Gotta echo some of the other comments-not only is splitting the game itself into two (three if you count the DLC campaign) something of a rubbish move, but having one be the game with the male-male relationship and the other with the lesbian relationship seems pretty stupid.Having only one homosexual option option per gender is already kinda a bummer in a series that features relationship building so heavily, but putting each of those in a separate game? That seems pretty low, IMO.

ShenCS:
(hell, they went so far as to make Ike, the main character of two of their games, gay)

Errrrrr...... what?

On topic though, it seems odd that they'd partition player romance options by game version like this - it essentially makes the game split into gay/lesbian versions for those that care about it.

It's also a bit interesting to think that same-sex marriage is going to be a thing in a series aesthetically based on a time period where such a thing would've been tantamount to absolute heresy... not that I have the slightest issue with it mind you.

Heh... gay relationships are now treated like pokemon...

If you want a scyther you better buy the red version.

Wonder if you can trade gay npcs if you have both versions XD

Wait, didn't they say there's gonna be character's children in the game? So I guess people will need to let go of 2 bonus characters for their fanfic.

There are only two characters that fall for the same sex. Those are also the two characters depicted as psychopath's. One is a sadist and the other drew clear inspiration from Awakenings Tharja.

Oh Nintendo, one step forward and one step back.

inu-kun:
Wait, didn't they say there's gonna be character's children in the game? So I guess people will need to let go of 2 bonus characters for their fanfic.

This is pretty easily sidestepped by having the child character be adopted if the PC pursues the same sex romance option, there's no real reason that the gay couples can't have kids showing up after the timeskip. The only thing that would be different than heterosexual couples would be that it usually has the child inherit the hair color of one of the parents, but that's easily handled as well.

I don't how Nintendo will handle it, but there isn't any reason you need to miss out on child characters just for choosing one option.

EbonBehelit:

ShenCS:
(hell, they went so far as to make Ike, the main character of two of their games, gay)

Errrrrr...... what?

They never bluntly said "I love you" but exhibit A

Ike and Soren's support conversations fuel many ships.
(Also Soren is devastating when he has A level support and Ike is the easiest of very few options to get that with)

I personally am only annoyed how they are splitting the games cast like they are. I'm sure the story will be basically the same between the two. I am just annoyed about the Pokemon style game splitting we are looking at.

Eclipse Dragon:

EbonBehelit:

ShenCS:
(hell, they went so far as to make Ike, the main character of two of their games, gay)

Errrrrr...... what?

They never bluntly said "I love you" but exhibit A

Ike and Soren's support conversations fuel many ships.
(Also Soren is devastating when he has A level support and Ike is the easiest of very few options to get that with)

Ike struck me more as asexual, but Soren... yeah.

I always think it's sad when they don't get A support, but when they do my brain does this because spoilers.

inu-kun:
Wait, didn't they say there's gonna be character's children in the game? So I guess people will need to let go of 2 bonus characters for their fanfic.

Well it's nice to know that homosexual relationships are little more than fanfics to you.

OT: The thing about splitting everything is kind of dumb, especially if you're going to say that if you want to be a gay man you have to pick this one and the other for a gay woman. It would have been nice if there were more options to pick from, but lets just hope the one gay option isn't horrible or obnoxious.

Baresark:
I personally am only annoyed how they are splitting the games cast like they are. I'm sure the story will be basically the same between the two. I am just annoyed about the Pokemon style game splitting we are looking at.

It may be better worse than Pokemon style depending on how you look at it. The difference between Pokemon versions are mostly just a matter of taste and basically boils down to which legendary you prefer.

Fire Emblem though, each version has a different cast of characters, a different region, a different basic story, different gameplay mechanics [1] and now if you're playing a male character and want same sex marriage options you're required to buy conquest, if you're playing a female character and want same sex marriage options, you have to play birthright, or you could, you know, buy every version. *insert evil laughter*

NPC009:

I always think it's sad when they don't get A support, but when they do my brain does this because spoilers.

I don't know about you, but I transferred that data from PoR to RD, they stayed a happy couple throughout both games.

[1] Birthright has a map like Awakening, Conquest doesn't have a map, has chapter to chapter game play like most older Fire Emblem games

Eclipse Dragon:

NPC009:

I always think it's sad when they don't get A support, but when they do my brain does this because spoilers.

I don't know about you, but I transferred that data from PoR to RD, they stayed a happy couple throughout both games.

So did I! Because I'll be sad if they aren't happy. Plus, if you jump those all those extra hoops, you get some bonus scenes. Important bonus scenes, like plot-changingly big bonus scenes. Seriously can't believe Intelligent Systems saw the need to hid is that well...

Eclipse Dragon:

Baresark:
I personally am only annoyed how they are splitting the games cast like they are. I'm sure the story will be basically the same between the two. I am just annoyed about the Pokemon style game splitting we are looking at.

It may be better worse than Pokemon style depending on how you look at it. The difference between Pokemon versions are mostly just a matter of taste and basically boils down to which legendary you prefer.

Fire Emblem though, each version has a different cast of characters, a different region, a different basic story, different gameplay mechanics [1] and now if you're playing a male character and want same sex marriage options you're required to buy conquest, if you're playing a female character and want same sex marriage options, you have to play birthright, or you could, you know, buy every version. *insert evil laughter*

NPC009:

I always think it's sad when they don't get A support, but when they do my brain does this because spoilers.

I don't know about you, but I transferred that data from PoR to RD, they stayed a happy couple throughout both games.

Ugh, I didn't realize it was such a drastic cut between the two. It almost seems wrong they are both considered to be party of the same series, especially since one diverges completely from the rest of the series. I can probably justify getting them both by simply acknowledging they are not the same game.

[1] Birthright has a map like Awakening, Conquest doesn't have a map, has chapter to chapter game play like most older Fire Emblem games

so it's only 1 character in the whole world?
I'm not saying that I want a Bioware here where everyone does everyone but... at least more options would have been nice

I'm not going to complain about them dividing things between sides since I plan on getting both version anyway

GZGoten:
so it's only 1 character in the whole world?
I'm not saying that I want a Bioware here where everyone does everyone but... at least more options would have been nice

I'm not going to complain about them dividing things between sides since I plan on getting both version anyway

Really only in the DA games. Mass Effect is far more strict on who gets to bang who. If you're a woman, great! You get all those lovely Asari since they're all women and have no men. If you're a man you get to be asexual until Mass Effect 3 where you can bang some random shuttle pilot or Kaiden who suddenly realized he was bisexual between Mass Effect 1 and 3.

Dragon Age is pretty nice with that though. Lots of men and women that swing all kinds of different ways.

On topic!

Really weird to split the relationships like that, especially since the games play fairly differently. Wont really effect me since I plan to get both anyway, but its still really weird.

EternallyBored:

inu-kun:
Wait, didn't they say there's gonna be character's children in the game? So I guess people will need to let go of 2 bonus characters for their fanfic.

This is pretty easily sidestepped by having the child character be adopted if the PC pursues the same sex romance option, there's no real reason that the gay couples can't have kids showing up after the timeskip. The only thing that would be different than heterosexual couples would be that it usually has the child inherit the hair color of one of the parents, but that's easily handled as well.

I don't how Nintendo will handle it, but there isn't any reason you need to miss out on child characters just for choosing one option.

But the whole point is the child inheriting the parent's abilities, it's kinda disappears if the child is adopted, not to mention the child usually has traits and looks corrosponding to the parents. Though on second reading it seems to be only the MC and a certain character so I guess at least we don't get the "everybody's bisexual" treatment.

inu-kun:

EternallyBored:

inu-kun:
Wait, didn't they say there's gonna be character's children in the game? So I guess people will need to let go of 2 bonus characters for their fanfic.

This is pretty easily sidestepped by having the child character be adopted if the PC pursues the same sex romance option, there's no real reason that the gay couples can't have kids showing up after the timeskip. The only thing that would be different than heterosexual couples would be that it usually has the child inherit the hair color of one of the parents, but that's easily handled as well.

I don't how Nintendo will handle it, but there isn't any reason you need to miss out on child characters just for choosing one option.

But the whole point is the child inheriting the parent's abilities, it's kinda disappears if the child is adopted, not to mention the child usually has traits and looks corrosponding to the parents. Though on second reading it seems to be only the MC and a certain character so I guess at least we don't get the "everybody's bisexual" treatment.

It doesn't have to disappear, there's numerous ways you could handwave away an adopted child having abilities from their parents, apart from some bloodline related shananigans from Chrom's family in Awakening the inherited skills could be written as trained or taught by the respective parents, that's if the whole thing isn't just ignored in favor of gameplay, i.e. "they have the same ability as their parent because we say so". The hair color thing would also be trivial to either ignore or handwave as just adopting a child with similar hair color to one of the parents, I've seen far pettier reasons that people have chosen to adopt a particular child in real life.

That's if you don't just go the surrogate route, which is also entirely possible.

You could also use any number of other solutions as well, in a setting with time travel and magic there are multiple ways you could get a magic baby, since the gay romance is for the main character and one specific side character only, they don't really have to worry about variation or justifying multiple magic babies so it could be little more than a one time event for whatever sidestory related reason.

I have no idea how Nintendo will actually handle it, but there are a lot of ways you could have a gay couple in the game and still end up with a kid that has an ability they learned/inherited from a parent, and a specific hair color.

As long as they don't make a big deal of the sexuality of each individual character and avoid cringe worthy awkwardness and stereotypes, I'm really happy with this.

EternallyBored:
*snipped*

I wondered if there'd be a legacy/offspring system in this game.

Adoption would strike me as the swiftest and surest method for the main character, whatever orientation you play them as.

A child that you are motivated to take in to protect, nuture and raise as a story factor would then apply to all variations of the character you could potentially be playing.
Moreso, it strikes me as the most thematically likely.
Heir to a fallen kingdom raised under the aegis of your household name, reclaiming their birthright with your aid when they finally come of age.
That's a core fire emblem story element right there.

The only thing I'm left puzzled about in this release is related to the separation of the titles and what this means to me as someone who wants to play the complete game.
Last time I experienced something like this it was in shining force 3, which split into three releases.
First told the story from one perspective, second from a rival kingdom perspective and the final release united the two against common foe and kingdom shaking threat.

This sounds similar, but with a definite chance of a full release schedule which, much to my lament, shining force 3 did not achieve outside of Japan.
(side note, I'd deeply love to see a rerelease of a complete edition of that game. This is the vain hope that speaking this wish out aloud will somehow nudge it that little bit closer to actuality in written form. pathetic I know, but I'll try anything for more shining force.)

In short, exactly how much money do nintendo want to rip from my hands before I get to see the whole game and will there be a significant difference between the battles you fight in each version?
Is it shining force 3, or pokemon red and blue?

Conquest = Gay

Birthright = Lesbian

Hmmmm, I wonder if IS and Kibayashi are trying to make a comment on Western society's relationship with homosexuality.

sorsa:
As long as they don't make a big deal of the sexuality of each individual character and avoid cringe worthy awkwardness and stereotypes, I'm really happy with this.

Well, the gay option is a sadistic torturer and the lesbian option is

Gearhead mk2:
It is really weird to limit the options depending on the game, and I'm not sure how it'd work if there's a bi character present, but speaking as an asexual guy I'm excited by this. Awakening had some great totally-not-romance-honest supports between same sex characters so seeing them get official recognition is nice. Question though, won't this affect the age rating? I thought, in the US at least, any direct mention of a gay character got stuff slapped with an automatic 15 label.

Honestly, this is just the tip of Fates' iceberg of lewdness.

While I applaud such a move, and good on Nintendo for finally including Same Sex options, why do they have to limit the options to specific games? That's so weird.

NPC009:

Eclipse Dragon:

EbonBehelit:

Errrrrr...... what?

They never bluntly said "I love you" but exhibit A

Ike and Soren's support conversations fuel many ships.
(Also Soren is devastating when he has A level support and Ike is the easiest of very few options to get that with)

Ike struck me more as asexual, but Soren... yeah.

Ikes endings in Radiant Dawn make it a bit less subtle.
Ike leaves the continent to go on a journey, and he brings either Soren or Ranulf with him if they have an A support

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