Bungie Boots Dinklage, Nolan North Takes over as Destiny's Ghost

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Bungie Boots Dinklage, Nolan North Takes over as Destiny's Ghost

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The role of Ghost has been recast, with Nolan North taking over - and re-recording all of Peter Dinklage's existing dialogue.

Game Informer has reported that Nolan North was brought in to take over the voice of Ghost in the upcoming Destiny expansion The Taken King. In the interest of continuity, Bungie also had North re-record all of Peter Dinklage's existing dialogue.

"We wanted Nolan North's version of the Ghost to wake you up at the start of the journey at level one and follow you all the way to level forty," said creative director Luke Smith.

"They really wanted me to put my stamp on it," North said. "They let me bring what I wanted to the role. You have to give it your own spin. For that reason, I specifically said I didn't want to hear anything that someone else had done, so that I didn't have some preconceived notion of what it has to be. Instead, I just gave it my stamp, and let them direct me accordingly."

The Taken King will release on September 15.

[Source: Game Informer]

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That actor came from the moon.

Now if they brought that mindset to the story narrative I might give a damn about the game again.

I'm fine with this.

To be honest, I always got the feeling that Peter Dinklage either didn't care about his role in Destiny, or he doesn't like voice acting. Nolan North does good work, so I know the new voiceover won't be bad, but I'll be sad that I can't call my Ghost "Dinklebot" anymore.

Eh...kind of a shame they got rid of Dinklage but he did not bring any energy to the role. Just because the Ghosts are AI doesn't mean they can't emote, something numerous fan writings have taken into account.

Can't wait to see how Nolan North tackles the little glowing resurrection machine. Should be interesting after his performances as the Boss from Saints Row and The Penguin.

I wonder how much money they flushed down the toilet by hiring Dinklage, hopefully Nolan North actually tries to do well in the roll unlike Dinklage

Oh, maybe this time they'll remember that thing called a "story" in their half a billion dollar franchise.

It's why I don't blame Dinklage for his bored performance; given the gobs of NOTHING going on in the story.
Just saying: can't waste potential that isn't there.

Atmos Duality:
Oh, maybe this time they'll remember that thing called a "story" in their half a billion dollar franchise.

It's why I don't blame Dinklage for his bored performance; given the gobs of NOTHING going on in the story.
Just saying: can't waste potential that isn't there.

I agree completely. I don't like his voice acting but I don't blame him for it. He had nothing to worth with. Kinda like Ryan Reynolds and the terrible Green Lantern movie. The DLC's have been getting better for actually having a story but we will have to wait and see if this $40 "expansion" (I use the term loosely) adds anything worth it. Bungie really needs to learn that they are not From Software.

Yeah, that's all kinds of bullshit.

Nothing against Nolan North since I like him as a voice actor, but that's really not cool. There were problems with Destiny, but I really doubt Peter Dinklage's voice performance was one of them.

Nolan North is a phenomenal voice actor but I can't help but think that Peter Dinklage got a rough deal. I think he was actually directed to voice act like the kind of emotionless robot that it came across as and probably could have voice acted in any number of other ways.

But hey, Nolan North, one of the titans of voice acting.

Should have booted the voice director who didn't do his job worth shit. I guess it is cheaper to just blame Dinklage and replace him with a cheapo VA.

Looks like someone liked space robot from Portal 2.

Lightknight:
Nolan North is a phenomenal voice actor but I can't help but think that Peter Dinklage got a rough deal. I think he was actually directed to voice act like the kind of emotionless robot that it came across as and probably could have voice acted in any number of other ways.

But hey, Nolan North, one of the titans of voice acting.

I remember reading somewhere that they had hired a comedian (David Cross? not %100 sure) to write dialogue for the ghost to give him personality back before the original release but not a single line he wrote was included.

Given the absolute gutting the story apparently took before release, losing their head writer and bringing someone on less than a year before release to write all the grimoire cards, this might be a case of Dinklage being brought on and then having all of his lines hacked up midway through development.

I like Nolan North, and this might be an overall improvement, but given the absolute shit show that was Destiny's development process pre-release, you might be right in that he was originally hired with a more robust script in mind then got his part severely changed right before recording.

Fiz_The_Toaster:
Yeah, that's all kinds of bullshit.

Nothing against Nolan North since I like him as a voice actor, but that's really not cool. There were problems with Destiny, but I really doubt Peter Dinklage's voice performance was one of them.

I don't think anyone is blaming Dinklage for the story in Destiny. The problem however, is that there's been 2 DLC addons for the game, and Dinklage has not provided a single line of new dialogue.

While Dinklage's performance was criticized, I think the bigger problem was getting Dinklage onboard with recording more lines alongside the release of more content. Given his involvement in all kinds of major acting roles, he must be way too busy (and probably even more expensive) to record lines of dialogue for the game.

It was bizarre playing through the entire game, hearing Dinklage's commentary from your Ghost on the various races you are fighting, from sharing wisdom about their history and even apprehension about meeting some of these hostile races head on...

...And then your Ghost being completely silent during an entire storyline centering on an offensive effort against a literal Undead Alien God from the beginning, all the way to the very end when you're face to face with a God of Darkness. Your previously chatty Ghost, says absolutely nothing throughout everything.

I appreciate Dinklage's work. But we need more dialogue from the Ghost in the series moving forward. This seems like the best thing to do.

Atmos Duality:
Oh, maybe this time they'll remember that thing called a "story" in their half a billion dollar franchise.

It's why I don't blame Dinklage for his bored performance; given the gobs of NOTHING going on in the story.
Just saying: can't waste potential that isn't there.

Within the actual disgrace of a story that's presented, sure. But the sad part is that there is potential for loads of interesting story content in the game's lore. One of Destiny's greatest weaknesses was the presentation of it's Story. It's unanimous, even among fans of the game, that the story was completely botched. There's all kinds of rumors regarding the existence of what used to be a densely written storymode, but some last-minute changes ripped everything out of the game (to be replaced by 'Grimiore Cards' that cannot be read or accessed within the game at all.)

It's hard to tell who was most responsible for the story being hacked out of the game. Probably Activision, but I doubt Bungie did much to defend itself in this regard. If this is indeed the case.

And fans of the game are the most frustrated by this, because anyone who takes the effort of reading some of these Grimiore Cards find a bunch of stories of really important characters and events that the game never even mentions. You never actually catch a glimpse of what could be an interesting story until you enter the Vault of Glass, which is an endgame raid and requires you to be with a fireteam of 5 other people. It wasn't until this point that you can see some actual thought and imagination to the whole thing.

Hopefully, this means that they're going to focus a lot more on improving in the story department. Because there is some interesting stuff there, but we shouldn't have to dig through CARDS outside the game itself for it.

The boring and vague writing for Ghost was more of a problem than Dinklage's performance. Nice to know Bungie isn't changing any of the script despite this being the perfect time to do so.

Tohuvabohu:

Fiz_The_Toaster:
Yeah, that's all kinds of bullshit.

Nothing against Nolan North since I like him as a voice actor, but that's really not cool. There were problems with Destiny, but I really doubt Peter Dinklage's voice performance was one of them.

I don't think anyone is blaming Dinklage for the story in Destiny. The problem however, is that there's been 2 DLC addons for the game, and Dinklage has not provided a single line of new dialogue.

While Dinklage's performance was criticized, I think the bigger problem was getting Dinklage onboard with recording more lines alongside the release of more content. Given his involvement in all kinds of major acting roles, he must be way too busy (and probably even more expensive) to record lines of dialogue for the game.

It was bizarre playing through the entire game, hearing Dinklage's commentary from your Ghost on the various races you are fighting, from sharing wisdom about their history and even apprehension about meeting some of these hostile races head on...

...And then your Ghost being completely silent during an entire storyline centering on an offensive effort against a literal Alien God from the beginning, all the way to the very end when you're face to face with a God of Darkness. Your previously chatty Ghost, says absolutely nothing throughout everything.

I appreciate Dinklage's work. But we need more dialogue from the Ghost in the series moving forward. This seems like the best thing to do.

This is the most likely reason Dinklage was replaced,it might be because they didn't foresee just how popular (and expensive) he would become, or he, or his publicist, wanted to renegotiate his contract. Nolan North, despite how widespread he is in voice acting is still likely much cheaper to hire than Dinklage.

Bungie might have also originally planned the ghost to be much more central to the plot, justifying the cost of rehiring Dinklage before the rewrite.

Dissapointing, but Bungie probably should have taken a hint from Bethesda, if you are going to use a big celebrity to voice your characters you either need to have them killed at some point in the plot or use them in a way to where they don't need to be used again. Using a big expensive celebrity for the voice of a companion character that will inevitably turn up in the DLC and likely the sequel requires a lot of extra money to rehire that celebrity for each small release. At some point you end up spending way WAY more money than if you'd just hired a professional voice actor like Nolan North or Tara Strong.

This is the most likely reason Dinklage was replaced,it might be because they didn't foresee just how popular (and expensive) he would become, or he, or his publicist, wanted to renegotiate his contract. Nolan North, despite how widespread he is in voice acting is still likely much cheaper to hire than Dinklage.

Considering how much they were trying to hype the game I highly doubt they didn't foresee the popularity of the franchise.

As far as I am concerned the writing is a disaster, the content team is a disaster, and the voice actors all ended up getting the short end of the straw because of it. Destiny is a prime example of how not to create, advertise, and sell a AAA game. I won't defend Dinkleberg's weak performance, but as many others have stated already I highly doubt the root of his poor performance was the actor himself.

This makes me sad, as I love Dinklage's voice, and by the sound of things, Nolan is just going to be doing Nathan Drake yet again. You'd think with all the financial backing they have, they'd be able to get Dinklage back on.

Plus, we can't call him Dinklebot anymore.

Fiz_The_Toaster:
Yeah, that's all kinds of bullshit.

Nothing against Nolan North since I like him as a voice actor, but that's really not cool. There were problems with Destiny, but I really doubt Peter Dinklage's voice performance was one of them.

Agreed. I actually liked the Dinklebot. RIP little guy!!

Oh the ghost is going to talk again? I'm incredibly divided on whether that's a good thing.

Granted, bored Dinklage wasn't half as annoying as Eris EMO Morn hissing in your ear for a few hours straight about Crota and souls and screams and death. But he mainly just constantly spouted references to things you'd have no idea what he was talking about if you didn't hunt down dead ghosts obsessively and keep up on grimoire cards.

Petra was cool though, and Tanik's exposition was at least actual exposition instead of name drops, as grating as his Shang-Tsung impersonation in the Prison of Elders has gotten over time.

Shame that Nolanbot isn't as catchy as Dinklebot or The Dinklage, but anything has to be better than the overwhelmingly bored performance of Peter Dinklage.

Shame they didn't rewrite anything. How about you actually explain what is going on this time around? No? Okay.

So Dinklage is taking the bullet on this one, eh?

I've tried seeing if I could say the lines any better. I mean, you hear them again and again. It's not like they don't get committed to memory. I don't think it can be done. If Nolan North can do it, then I'll be impressed. Unless he changes the lines, though, I suspect it'll just be upgraded to an entirely forgettable rather than infuriating part of the game. Maybe that's for the best where Destiny is concerned.

Considering how awful the script was, I doubt even Nolan North can get it to work. Dinklage clearly knew what sort of crap he was working on and decided to give as little effort as possible and who can blame him?

Fiz_The_Toaster:
Yeah, that's all kinds of bullshit.

Nothing against Nolan North since I like him as a voice actor, but that's really not cool. There were problems with Destiny, but I really doubt Peter Dinklage's voice performance was one of them.

Are they doing this because his acting was bad? Or is this because they can't afford to hire him.

Tohuvabohu:
Snippity snip snip

NiPah:

Fiz_The_Toaster:
Yeah, that's all kinds of bullshit.

Nothing against Nolan North since I like him as a voice actor, but that's really not cool. There were problems with Destiny, but I really doubt Peter Dinklage's voice performance was one of them.

Are they doing this because his acting was bad? Or is this because they can't afford to hire him.

I'm inclined to think they couldn't afford him.

I don't think his acting was bad, and it might be the direction that they gave him while he was doing his lines. I don't know, but this is just not cool.

I mean, if you plan on making it a huge franchise and giving the IP a long life with DLC and expansion packs you probably shouldn't hire someone that is a huge part of the game. That's just me though. Again, nothing against Nolan North, but I think they should have gone with him first and not grab someone on name recognition alone.

Sarge034:
Now if they brought that mindset to the story narrative I might give a damn about the game again.

I agree. I got Destiny for free and I tried it. It sure is pretty, but it's just so...mind numbing. The story...it's like reading a bare-bones script with placeholder names.
On occasion I feel like I want to try it again, but the urge just vanishes as soon as I think about the story.

Anyway, I wonder why they're doing this switch. Is it really like everyone says, and that Dinklage's version just wasn't enjoyable to players?

Sniper Team 4:
I agree. I got Destiny for free and I tried it. It sure is pretty, but it's just so...mind numbing. The story...it's like reading a bare-bones script with placeholder names.
On occasion I feel like I want to try it again, but the urge just vanishes as soon as I think about the story.

Anyway, I wonder why they're doing this switch. Is it really like everyone says, and that Dinklage's version just wasn't enjoyable to players?

I agree, the game handled great, but I was promised a galaxy spanning saga and got this...


Seriously, for those of you who finished the game think about how many times the dinklebot said something was "amazing".

But if I had to guess, they couldn't get Dinklage to sign on for more because this performance really did hurt his credit. You can't have one voice and style just switch to another without a story reason so I figure it was just simpler to pay North a little more money to just redo it all.

Hmmmmmmm maybe once Dinklage is gone and North shows back up (in yet another game I own), maybe it'll be less grating for me to play all the while thinking "such a good actor why is he wasting his time on this".

That being said, I've no aversion to Nolan. I love Nolan. At least I think bored Nolan will sound less bored than bored Dinklage - and I'm one of the .002 percent of the population that thought "Dinklebot" was a stupid name.

Sniper Team 4:

Anyway, I wonder why they're doing this switch. Is it really like everyone says, and that Dinklage's version just wasn't enjoyable to players?

I answered this earlier.

Tohuvabohu:

While Dinklage's performance was criticized, I think the bigger problem was getting Dinklage onboard with recording more lines alongside the release of more content. Given his involvement in all kinds of major acting roles, he must be way too busy (and probably even more expensive) to record lines of dialogue for the game.

Bottom line; there needs to be more Ghost dialogue. And Dinklage is either too expensive, too busy, or too undesirable to record more lines. I'm inclined to believe he's too expensive at this point, and working around his schedule may not be worth it.

Bringing in a new voice actor to record more lines, it only makes sense to go back and record the entire performance for consistency. Bungie really screwed this up by having Dinklage voice the Ghost to begin with. Given the circumstances, this is the best thing they could have done.

MC1980:
Should have booted the voice director who didn't do his job worth shit. I guess it is cheaper to just blame Dinklage and replace him with a cheapo VA.

Looks like someone liked space robot from Portal 2.

I don't think anyone is blaming Dinklage. I think the reason for re-recording all the ghost dialogue is both Nolan North admittedly not wanting to have his performance influenced by this perceived idea of what the Ghost should sound like, as well as offering continuity to the playerbase.

How disconcerting would it be switching back and forth from Dinklage sections to North sections.

I for one would hate it.

Dreadman75:
Eh...kind of a shame they got rid of Dinklage but he did not bring any energy to the role. Just because the Ghosts are AI doesn't mean they can't emote, something numerous fan writings have taken into account.

Can't wait to see how Nolan North tackles the little glowing resurrection machine. Should be interesting after his performances as the Boss from Saints Row and The Penguin.

To be fair, the greatest actor in the world can only do so much with a script like that. I think Bungie needed to be brought down a peg or two, they were getting arrogant.

They took the obvious and safe route, which says something.

A quick perusal of North's Filmography indicates he voices The Kraang in the current iteration of TMNT. Knowing nothing about Destiny except some excerpts from Penny Arcade. #EpicEngram, and this site, I feel like that would be an entertaining fit that would never grow old. "The one known as 'Ghost' is informing the one known as *PLAYERCHARACTER* about that which is known as, *STUFF*". This writes itself.
Alternatively, he did a stint as the TF2 Soldier, so "John Doe" is an acceptable Ghost name, and you can look forward to the copious quantities of bread it will teleport within the space of a few days, culminating in a carbohydrate-heavy boss fight.
PS. I think the most tongue-in-cheek option will be to name it "Additional-Voices".

DeaDRabbiT:

MC1980:
Should have booted the voice director who didn't do his job worth shit. I guess it is cheaper to just blame Dinklage and replace him with a cheapo VA.

Looks like someone liked space robot from Portal 2.

I don't think anyone is blaming Dinklage. I think the reason for re-recording all the ghost dialogue is both Nolan North admittedly not wanting to have his performance influenced by this perceived idea of what the Ghost should sound like, as well as offering continuity to the playerbase.

How disconcerting would it be switching back and forth from Dinklage sections to North sections.

I for one would hate it.

If they were just putting out Taken King, I think they might've left it alone. But they're releasing the full bundle version too, and I guess they don't want people to play through Vanilla then suddenly switch the voice at Taken King.

I doubt much of the current playerbase has heard more then scattered lines in weekly nightfall missions from the Ghost in months.

Aiddon:
Considering how awful the script was, I doubt even Nolan North can get it to work. Dinklage clearly knew what sort of crap he was working on and decided to give as little effort as possible and who can blame him?

Just as Ron Perlman did in Turok, if I may recall an early ZP video.

totheendofsin:
I wonder how much money they flushed down the toilet by hiring Dinklage

That's what I'm curious about as well. Now that they're completely replacing all the work they did, they completely just pissed all that money away. It's gone with absolutely nothing to show for it now. With budget decisions like this, is it any wonder why the game cost $500 million to make while the game in no way reflects of $500 million budget?

RJ 17:

totheendofsin:
I wonder how much money they flushed down the toilet by hiring Dinklage

That's what I'm curious about as well. Now that they're completely replacing all the work they did, they completely just pissed all that money away. It's gone with absolutely nothing to show for it now. With budget decisions like this, is it any wonder why the game cost $500 million to make while the game in no way reflects of $500 million budget?

To be fair, they leaned on him pretty hard in marketing as it was coming out. I doubt anyone cares Dinklage is in it anymore, but I have no doubt his involvement at launch at least shifted some copies. Without any kind of data I have no idea how many, but they could very well have made their money off his involvement then reasoned forking out for him anymore would just be diminishing returns.

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