Hello Sweetie - Doctor Who Brings River Song Back For Christmas

Hello Sweetie - Doctor Who Brings River Song Back For Christmas

River Song

Doctor Who unites Peter Capaldi's Doctor with his wife, River Song, in this year's Christmas Special.

The Doctor has found many companions over the years, but few quite like his wife, River Song. Played by Alex Kingston, River shares a rocky past with the Doctor as they keep meeting out-of-order along the timestream, leading to awkward and dangerous encounters. River hasn't appeared since the Series 7 finale, and outside of rumors saying Capaldi's Doctor wore their wedding ring (he doesn't), it seemed that was their last meeting. But according to the BBC, River will be reunited with her husband this December for the eleventh Doctor Who Christmas Special.

"Another Christmas, another special for Doctor Who - and what could be more special than the return of Alex Kingston as Professor River Song?" executive producer Steven Moffat said. "The last time the Doctor saw her she was a ghost. The first time he met her, she died. So how can he be seeing her again? As ever, with the most complicated relationship in the universe, it's a matter of time..."

River was first introduced to David Tennant's Doctor in the Series 4 episodes "Silence in the Library" and "Forest of the Dead". That's where the Doctor learned his future self would marry River, but watched her die while saving his life. Matt Smith's Doctor encountered River another thirteen times during his seasons, eventually parting ways in "The Name of the Doctor". This new Christmas Special marks the first meeting between River and Peter Capaldi's Twelfth Doctor.

"To be honest, I did not know whether River would ever return to the show," Kingston explained, "but here she is, back with the Doctor for the Christmas special. Steven Moffat is on glittering form, giving us an episode filled with humor and surprise guest castings. I met Peter for the first time at Monday's read through, we had a laugh, and I am now excited and ready to start filming with him and the Doctor Who team. Christmas in September? Why not!"

It'll be great to see River return to Doctor Who, hopefully bringing the light-hearted spirit of earlier seasons with her. At the same time, it could prove an incredibly sad episode - especially if Capaldi's Doctor takes River on that "last date" she mentioned before her death. After all, it wouldn't be the first Christmas special to play with our emotions that way.

Doctor Who's ninth series will premiere Sept. 19, while River's Christmas Special airs on Dec. 25, 2015.

Source: BBC

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Well, I'm game. There's alot of characters in Doctor Who that seem to come back alot.

Why Steven? Why? Can we not just go back to the old monster of the week formula? Do we have to have this shit? It all started so well in series 5, but it was all downhill from there. It's just gotten more and more bloody contrived and pleased with itself. There were good episodes in series 8, and those were Flatline and Time Heist. No nonsense, no overarching plot, no gimmicky twists, just solid self contained stories. Can we have more of those?

09philj:
Why Steven? Why? Can we not just go back to the old monster of the week formula? Do we have to have this shit? It all started so well in series 5, but it was all downhill from there. It's just gotten more and more bloody contrived and pleased with itself. There were good episodes in series 8, and those were Flatline and Time Heist. No nonsense, no overarching plot, no gimmicky twists, just solid self contained stories. Can we have more of those?

He's keeping Clara for the new series despite the universally positive fan reaction to her being effectively written out of the show at the end of the last series, I don't think he'd get a message if it was tied to a brick and thrown at his head at this point.

I have been trying very hard over the last few years to stop watching Doctor Who due to me being of the opinion that Moffat's writing has been at his best boring and at his worst simply bad but I keep watching. But with she who must not be named appearing in the christmas episode I think I might finaly be able to at least not watch that episode.

Baby steps.

Damnit! I was hoping she'd stay gone.

canadamus_prime:
Damnit! I was hoping she'd stay gone.

Me too. She's so smug. I can't stand that.

Awesome. I really like River Song's character and some of her lines (and the delivery) are just... MMM![1]

Fanghawk:
At the same time, it could prove an incredibly sad episode - especially if Capaldi's Doctor takes River on that "last date" she mentioned before her death.

Pretty sure that happened in a mini series called "Night of the Doctor" with Matt Smith. I could be wrong as I saw it a few years ago, but I'm sure the last episode of that series is the night of that date.

[1] Well, I was on my way to this gay gypsy Bar Mitzvah for the disabled when I suddenly thought, "gosh! The third Reich's a bit rubbish. I think I'll kill the Führer." Who's with me?

Queen Michael:

canadamus_prime:
Damnit! I was hoping she'd stay gone.

Me too. She's so smug. I can't stand that.

She was an intriguing mystery when she was first introduced, but the more we learned about her the less I liked her.

Goddamnit. Enough of her...and Clara already. And everything Moffatt does now that RTD isn't holding his leash, actually.

Creator002:
Awesome. I really like River Song's character and some of her lines (and the delivery) are just... MMM![1]

Fanghawk:
At the same time, it could prove an incredibly sad episode - especially if Capaldi's Doctor takes River on that "last date" she mentioned before her death.

Pretty sure that happened in a mini series called "Night of the Doctor" with Matt Smith. I could be wrong as I saw it a few years ago, but I'm sure the last episode of that series is the night of that date.

Wasn't Night of the Doctor the one where the Eighth Doctor becomes the War Doctor? You might be thinking Name of The Doctor (which I first mistakenly posted as "Time of the Doctor" and fixed), but even then they didn't have the date she described. At least not the way I remember it, it has been a while.

[1] Well, I was on my way to this gay gypsy Bar Mitzvah for the disabled when I suddenly thought, "gosh! The third Reich's a bit rubbish. I think I'll kill the Führer." Who's with me?

Creator002:
Awesome. I really like River Song's character and some of her lines (and the delivery) are just... MMM!

Fanghawk:
At the same time, it could prove an incredibly sad episode - especially if Capaldi's Doctor takes River on that "last date" she mentioned before her death.

Pretty sure that happened in a mini series called "Night of the Doctor" with Matt Smith. I could be wrong as I saw it a few years ago, but I'm sure the last episode of that series is the night of that date.

She mentioned in her first appearance with Tenth "there you were, all dressed up and with a new face" but given she had a considerable amount of time with Eleventh then Twelfth would logically be the one to take her on her last date.

I just hope this year's special isn't as depressing as last years; Merry Christmas, lady in a wheelchair and woman who broke up with someone and also the guy who died that we completely forgot about as we rode a sleigh home.

"The last time the Doctor saw her she was a ghost. The first time he met her, she died. So how can he be seeing her again? As ever, with the most complicated relationship in the universe, it's a matter of time..."

It's almost like they'd have to involve time travelk of some sort. But who how?

River's also going to be in a Big Finish production with the Eighth Doctor, Paul McGann.

09philj:
Why Steven? Why? Can we not just go back to the old monster of the week formula? Do we have to have this shit? It all started so well in series 5, but it was all downhill from there. It's just gotten more and more bloody contrived and pleased with itself. There were good episodes in series 8, and those were Flatline and Time Heist. No nonsense, no overarching plot, no gimmicky twists, just solid self contained stories. Can we have more of those?

When was there ever not an overarching plot in the revived Who? Not series 5, with the Pandorica/the crack in the universe. Not series 4, with Donna/there's something on your back. Series 3 had the "You Are Not Alone" plot. Series Two built up Torchwood. And series one had the long game of "Bad Wolf." Before that, the show was largely serialised, so when was this time?

Creator002:

Pretty sure that happened in a mini series called "Night of the Doctor" with Matt Smith. I could be wrong as I saw it a few years ago, but I'm sure the last episode of that series is the night of that date.

Fanghawk:

Wasn't Night of the Doctor the one where the Eighth Doctor becomes the War Doctor? You might be thinking Name of The Doctor (which I first mistakenly posted as "Time of the Doctor" and fixed), but even then they didn't have the date she described. At least not the way I remember it, it has been a while.

"Night of the Doctor" was indeed the short where Paul McGann's Doctor "dies" and is given the option to choose his new form.

It was implied that Eleven had taken her on her last date. I forget when it was, but she mentions the Doctor is taking her to the Singing Spires, the place she referenced when she first met Ten. It may have been his going away tour in series 6.

thaluikhain:
Goddamnit. Enough of her...and Clara already. And everything Moffatt does now that RTD isn't holding his leash, actually.

I don't get it. Most of the problems (or, at least, things people complain about) that exist under Moffat existed under Davies as well.

I mean, I do hate Clara, but she's basically Rose 2.0

Fanghawk:

Wasn't Night of the Doctor the one where the Eighth Doctor becomes the War Doctor? You might be thinking Name of The Doctor (which I first mistakenly posted as "Time of the Doctor" and fixed), but even then they didn't have the date she described. At least not the way I remember it, it has been a while.

Sorry, yes. You're 100% right. They had way too many "x of the Doctor" episodes towards series 7 end, so I mixed it up.
The name of the mini series is Night and the Doctor. It's the second last episode (fourth).

Huh, I'm actually pleased to see that my Anti-Clara, Anti-River position is mirrored amongst the fans of Gallifrey's most errant son.

Cos...arrggghhhh.... I hate those awful, smug, self satisfied characters.

The poster who mentioned Moffat not being able to get a hint if it was in the form of a brick at his head was spot on.

I would literally let Omega back into realspace if it meant Mark Gatiss became showrunner.

Time to feck off, Moffat!

I read this and though, "wait, did I miss the actual series?" No, turns out that's not out yet.

Otherwise, glad to hear it. I like River, even if she did get a bit overplayed in series 5-6, and I'm interested to see the chemistry she'll have with Capaldi's Doctor.

shes one of my favourite characters in the show but now even she can make me endure capaldi's obnoxious doctor.

funny how i endured colin bakers asshat of a doctor but capaldi killed the show for me.

well i do hope it is an amazing episode for you guys who watch it still

Meh. If this is the last date, I'm game. Clara's only met River in cyberghost form. It'll be interesting for them to meet in the flesh since Clara too knows a bit about River's future.

An excuse to put that beautiful woman in flattering clothes and have her saunter around all sexy like being a smoldering cougar? Why yes please. I am all for this in any fashion.

Why do people like River Song? She is nothing more than a Mary Sue character. Actually, it will be great. Having her and Clara in the same episode by this point will cause such an influx of Mary Sue overload, it could potentially rip the fabric of reality apart itself. Seriously, both of these characters are so poorly written and conceived that if feels like Stephanie Meyer wrote them.

Orga777:
Seriously, both of these characters are so poorly written and conceived that if feels like Stephanie Meyer wrote them.

No, it wasn't Stephanie Meyer it was Steven Moffatt...huh...never noticed how similar those two names are.

Next we'll be seeing a character who is supposed to be a genius, and who looks human but is really something else and centuries old. Maybe having a romance with a much younger woman.

canadamus_prime:

Queen Michael:

canadamus_prime:
Damnit! I was hoping she'd stay gone.

Me too. She's so smug. I can't stand that.

She was an intriguing mystery when she was first introduced, but the more we learned about her the less I liked her.

True that. In her first episode, I liked her. But from then on? Smug, smug, smug.

thaluikhain:

Orga777:
Seriously, both of these characters are so poorly written and conceived that if feels like Stephanie Meyer wrote them.

No, it wasn't Stephanie Meyer it was Steven Moffatt...huh...never noticed how similar those two names are.

Next we'll be seeing a character who is supposed to be a genius, and who looks human but is really something else and centuries old. Maybe having a romance with a much younger woman.

Wait... it all makes sense now! Sephanie... Steven... Meyer... Moffat... They are the same person! No wonder Doctor Who turned into Twilight for nerds since he took over! XD

But, yeah, I know Doctor Who has had the issue about The Doctor and romance since it came back in general. That is probably the worst part about all of this... I think that is the reason people like Donna and Amy the best. Since they didn't really get romantically involved with The Doctor.

Nice to see all the people in the comments who read this and shared my first thought.

"Shit."

I don't think I'll be watching much Doctor Who next year.

Aw come on guys, I liked her.
If I'd have any beef with a character, it's clara. Her character almost makes the Doctor the sidekick in his own show!

Piorn:
Aw come on guys, I liked her.
If I'd have any beef with a character, it's clara. Her character almost makes the Doctor the sidekick in his own show!

Oh, Clara is awful, no doubt. She might be the worst after all that nonsense in Season 8, but River is also pretty terrible a character, and I did consider her the absolute worst before Season 8. Her whole character is just there for The Doctor's sake. She doesn't do anything on her own what so ever unless it involved The Doctor.

Actually, Moffat just sucks horribly at writing female characters in general. Even Amy had some issues half the time. Look at the jokes in the Victorian England crew. If it wasn't for Strax, there would be nothing salvagable at all about that pandering garbage.

Also, there is this that explains it all perfectly.
http://rebeccaamoore.com/2014/05/29/university-study-on-sexism-in-bbcs-doctor-who-infographic/

Orga777:

Actually, Moffat just sucks horribly at writing female characters in general.

That's because he can't really. He seems to write the same female character multiple times. They're always extroverted sassy types who have flirty dialogue with the doctor and rarely (if ever) do anything badly. So essentially River Song again and again. The only exception I can think of is the girl from UNIT whose character boiled down to 'nerdy fangirl'. This was at its worst imo in last series' finale, with:

Long and short of it. This news saddens me. The last series was the second worst since the reboot, despite Capaldi being amazing (better than Tennat or Smith imo). I'd hoped that the series might improve, with less stupid (Kill the Moon/That Forest One) and unsubtle meta plot (ever Moffat series). Unfortunately this is not a good sign

Ugh. I thought we were done with that irritating Mary Sue for good.

At this point it's almost better the series go back into retirement for another 30 years.....

Let's hope she's only coming back to wrap up her storyline. Let's just do "A Night in Darillium" and have the last meeting between her and The Doctor, where they see the Singing Spires. They can try some banter with her and Capaldi's Doctor, have him look sad because it's their last time together, he can give her a Sonic Screwdriver, then part ways. Moffat can have his sad moment as the Doctor says goodbye to Professor Mary Sue for the last time.

Then I'll throw a massive party. I hate River Song. Like many mysteries, she's so much not interesting before we actually get to know her. The character that met the Tenth Doctor was very good, it was an interesting concept a time traveler would inevitably face. In just a couple of episodes they were able to hint at a larger past and make the audience feel sorry for her because this man who means so much to her hasn't got a clue who she is, and he has no idea why she's significant.

All the stuff afterwards was blatant Mary Sue territory. Like Amy and Clara, River Song basically took over any story she was in and relegated The Doctor to a sidekick role in his own show, getting to do a bunch of cool stuff with almost no negative repercussions. Her "romantic" interactions with The Doctor came off less as a genuine relationship being built and more as River getting all the attention because the scriptwriter thinks she's wonderful.

Kill her off and let's put this smug "sweetie" and "spoilers" nonsense to bed. Though I'm sure Moffat will just keep an evil version of the same character with Missy.

Episodes -with- river song aren't bad. The Library, Time of Angels, Pandorica and The Impossible Astronaut are some of my favorite episodes.
Episodes -about- river song, however, are often quite weak (Wedding, Kill Hitler).

As for their final date, see the "First Night" "Last Night" episodes. Though, you know, wibbly wobbly.

Woohoo! Christmas came early!

Oh, not because of the news that River Song would be back. No, no. It came early because I just knew there'd be endless bitching about how "Moffat's still ruining Who". Sure enough, I saw the complaints in the usual places. (One colleague practically lost his mind with rage)

No, Moffat isn't ruining Who. His run is almost no different than RTD's run. They share many of the same positives and negatives. In fact, most of the complaints I've seen levied against Moffat's run can be applied to the vast majority of RTD's run. The only major difference between the two is that Moffat's current runs have higher production values.

I've seen the fans whine "I hate this Doctor because *reasons*!" since the 80's, and I suspect I'll see it for as long as the BBC keeps the show running. And I also suspect most of the reasons will boil down to "I hate this Doctor because he's not MY Doctor!"

O.T. - I look forward to the special. River Song is a fun character.

Something Amyss:

I don't get it. Most of the problems (or, at least, things people complain about) that exist under Moffat existed under Davies as well.

I mean, I do hate Clara, but she's basically Rose 2.0

I'm convinced that as the show becomes more popular, the more the "true Who fans" hate it.

I've become more convinced of this as many of the individual reasons I've heard for that hatred, the less sense the reasons make. Or, more to the point, the more egregious the double standards become.

I actually know someone who said he hated the Tennant and Smith runs because most of the episodes were "Monster of the Week" scenarios, while he sorely wished for a return to the 'old' Who.

I could do nothing but laugh. Audibly. In front of him.

Vigormortis:
"true Who fans"

True Who Fans are people who can watch and enjoy the entire series, people who don't complain too much about the little things. It's a very big show. There's always going to be something that bothers someone out of it. The point is that people get angry over practically nothing. I am looking forward to all of this.

She was the most annoying character of all. Even Amy wasn't as cloying as her.

FalloutJack:

Vigormortis:
"true Who fans"

True Who Fans are people who can watch and enjoy the entire series, people who don't complain too much about the little things. It's a very big show. There's always going to be something that bothers someone out of it. The point is that people get angry over practically nothing. I am looking forward to all of this.

I think people need to realize that the show is, and has always been, a monster-of-the-week kids show, with the occasional over-arching plot line that pans out over the course of a season. A soft sci-fi affair designed to entertain the parents and scare and enthrall the kids. Everything else is just ancillary bits added on top of that core formula by a given series show runner and writers.

As such, it baffles me why so many act as though Moffat's or RTD's 'monster-of-the-week' stories are somehow a betrayal of the series tone. It's what the series has always been.

 

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