Cancelling the Apocalypse - Pacific Rim 2 Is No More - Update

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Cancelling the Apocalypse - Pacific Rim 2 Is No More - Update

The Hollywood Reporter is saying production on Pacific Rim 2 has been halted indefinitely, as the relationship between Legendary and Warner Bros. breaks down.

Update: Guillermo del Toro responds to news of his film's demise: "We are still turning in a screenplay and a budget in three weeks. As far as I'm concerned, it's not gone. We're still on it." So... here's hoping!

Original Story: Somewhere, Guillermo del Toro is very, very sad.

Despite the critical and relative financial success of the Mexican director's Pacific Rim, production on the sequel to 2013's kaiju smash-em-up has been halted indefinitely, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Originally slated to release in the summer of 2017, Pacific Rim 2: Maelstrom has been put on hiatus thanks to dissolving relations between Legendary and Warner Bros. Legendary Pictures was keen to continue developing the film since its predecessor did so well in China, where Legendary is heavily invested; Warner has since backed out, though, supposedly due to the sequel's big budget versus its foreseeable low pay-off.

Del Toro, at least, has other projects in the pipeline. His Crimson Peak comes out later this year, and rumors of a Hellboy 3 have been swirling for ages.

I don't know about you guys, but this is pretty disappointing news for me. Pacific Rim was easily one of my favorite films that year, and del Toro is a reliably spectacular director. Did such a solid movie really need a sequel, though?

Source: Hollywood Reporter

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I liked Pacific Rim, but what was a sequel going to do? Open TWO rifts? In the Atlantic?!

Meh. The first film was like 10 minutes of cool action surrounded by 80 minutes of cliche characters exchanging goofy dialogue.

Plus they killed off the interesting robots in favour of the boring ones. Weird.

If this means he can make another Hellboy movie instead then I ain't complaining.

I mean, considering what the sequel was planning to do in the first place, this is a weird time for a Warner/Legendary disagreement...

Other than that, could we still get an animated mini-series in the future?

Truth be told... I did not care.

The original was, in my informed but subjective opinion... BAD. Both as a movie, as an action... and even as a "giant robot" story.

The again I am one of those assholes that think giant robots are stupid by default...

*How much I would have preferred a more... authentic one, with more action and actually showing the might of the planet's war machines instead of relying on inferior giant robots...

Lame.

Maybe China's movie industry will pick up the slack.

To be honest, I reacted to this news with a resounding meh. I never thought that much of Pacific Rim when I saw it, because it was like watching the "Made for Cable" version of a ton of much better anime I could have been watching instead.

crimson5pheonix:
I liked Pacific Rim, but what was a sequel going to do? Open TWO rifts? In the Atlantic?!

Mutant cyborg Jaeger gone wild.

OT: Oh, FUCK YOU, Warner Brothers! I set a curse of Yakko, Wakko, and Dot upon thee! Assholes...

Charcharo:
Truth be told... I did not care.

The original was, in my informed but subjective opinion... BAD. Both as a movie, as an action... and even as a "giant robot" story.

The again I am one of those assholes that think giant robots are stupid by default...

*How much I would have preferred a more... authentic one, with more action and actually showing the might of the planet's war machines instead of relying on inferior giant robots...

You mean something like Battle: LA or battleship? I haven't seen much of the first one, but i heard it was almost as bad as battleship. I guess war of the worlds or skyline also show bits of that, but they give a more...realistic or authentic portrayal of how we'd fare against a civilization that has both the means and the will to invade us: very very poorly. Point is, we have a couple of those movies and they are generally not very good in any way. In contrast, pacific rim is probably the only giant robot movie of it's scale...ever. I can't think of anything close to it.

Personally, i thought pacific rim was a fun movie that did it's job (show giant things mashing each other) pretty well while not having a horrible plot to go along with it. It could've fleshed out the story a lot better, and i was kind of anxious to see how both the action and the story would be improved on after laying down the foundation in the first one. Del Toro does not strike me as the kind of director to make a similar sequel, rather one to use the neccessary stuff he did in the first one to go deeper and smarter in the second one.

Or maybe it would've been a mostly forgettable movie, highly similar to the first one. If the action and the CGI (quite intertwined) were as good as the first one, i would've still liked it. The fact that most of the action was relatively slow and methodical made it all the cooler for me, usually CGI is used to speed things up and make them confusing.

crimson5pheonix:
I liked Pacific Rim, but what was a sequel going to do? Open TWO rifts? In the Atlantic?!

Well the world is in turmoil and with the introduction of kaiju bioweapons being researched it could make for an interesting human-driven conflict. Then there's the fact that they didn't really fix the problem long-term. The invaders are like locusts, going from place to place harvesting resources. Its unlikely one nuke wiped them out so they still need more resources. They opened up a rift to Earth once and they could do it again, and with the introduction of a kaiju that could use an emp and a few other things its implied that the invaders are using the kaiju they send to probe the technology, tactics and behavior of humans, meaning if they did it again they'd do it differently. Bruised, despoiled and in ruins, but not beaten.

MarsAtlas:

crimson5pheonix:
I liked Pacific Rim, but what was a sequel going to do? Open TWO rifts? In the Atlantic?!

Well the world is in turmoil and with the introduction of kaiju bioweapons being researched it could make for an interesting human-driven conflict. Then there's the fact that they didn't really fix the problem long-term. The invaders are like locusts, going from place to place harvesting resources. Its unlikely one nuke wiped them out so they still need more resources. They opened up a rift to Earth once and they could do it again, and with the introduction of a kaiju that could use an emp and a few other things its implied that the invaders are using the kaiju they send to probe the technology, tactics and behavior of humans, meaning if they did it again they'd do it differently. Bruised, despoiled and in ruins, but not beaten.

Maybe, but I'd call it poor tactics over a bruised ego over anything. There's nothing special about Earth, they could go somewhere that doesn't set you up the bomb.

So no more of Del Toro's Rei Ayanami fanfiction?

A lot of his projects sure seem to get cancelled. I'm not sure if he's hard to work with or just cursed.

crimson5pheonix:

MarsAtlas:

crimson5pheonix:
I liked Pacific Rim, but what was a sequel going to do? Open TWO rifts? In the Atlantic?!

Well the world is in turmoil and with the introduction of kaiju bioweapons being researched it could make for an interesting human-driven conflict. Then there's the fact that they didn't really fix the problem long-term. The invaders are like locusts, going from place to place harvesting resources. Its unlikely one nuke wiped them out so they still need more resources. They opened up a rift to Earth once and they could do it again, and with the introduction of a kaiju that could use an emp and a few other things its implied that the invaders are using the kaiju they send to probe the technology, tactics and behavior of humans, meaning if they did it again they'd do it differently. Bruised, despoiled and in ruins, but not beaten.

Maybe, but I'd call it poor tactics over a bruised ego over anything. There's nothing special about Earth, they could go somewhere that doesn't set you up the bomb.

We don't know what drives their decision making, however. Earth really could be special in regards to their needs. Lets start with its habitat. Its understood that kaiju have similar biological structures to ours with the same needs, like oxygen. That means that they likely couldn't survive on any of the other planets in our own solar system. They're also similarly adjusted for the earth's gravity and the pressure of our oceans - a planet with gravity greatly different from earth's could be impractical if not downright inhospitible. Some planets have so little pressure that its practically a vacuum and some have pressure higher than the pressure of the depths of our oceans. Then there's the possibility that of some of the planets available the earth poses a lesser amount of resistance than others. They're clearly proof that there's other life out there and its implied that they've done something like this before with other civilizations so its not unreasonable to think that there could be planets where they invaded a species more technologically ready to counter the kaiju threat.

It needed a prequal where all the pilots got famous.
We see three different robots get completely crushed, which were all hyped up as hell. I would've loved to see how they got started and see them actually win.

Has anyone else noticed how the huge budget movies are now starting to pay a trip to China?
Is this just audience pandering for that market, or what's going on?

crimson5pheonix:
I liked Pacific Rim, but what was a sequel going to do? Open TWO rifts? In the Atlantic?!

Sorry but The Asylum already claimed the Atlantic. Unfortunately.

OT: Liked the first film well enough but a sequel not happening isn't going to upset me in the least.

NO!
I was so hyped for Pacific Rim 2, there was nothing to be hyped off of but I don't care!
I loved, loved, the first movie and I'm hopin' for a seriously huge rabbit to be pulled out of a seriously huge hat, pun intended, if you want.
I was lookin' forward to the two Godzilla movies coming out in 2016 and 2018 with Pacific Rim bridgin' the gap but NOPE!
And it was gonna be called "Maelstrom"?! That name is awesome.

Fox12:
So no more of Del Toro's Rei Ayanami fanfiction?

A lot of his projects sure seem to get cancelled. I'm not sure if he's hard to work with or just cursed.

Don't they? I was just thinkin' about that.
I have a bad feeling, and I'm probably wrong about this, that he's got, like, popcorn brain, "I wanna do this, no, I wanna do this, no, I wanna, no..."
Except instead of trying to decide what to watch on Netflix, he's driving a bunch of us crazy with "I wanna do Justice League Dark, no, Pacific Rim 2, no..."

Win32error:

Charcharo:
Truth be told... I did not care.

The original was, in my informed but subjective opinion... BAD. Both as a movie, as an action... and even as a "giant robot" story.

The again I am one of those assholes that think giant robots are stupid by default...

*How much I would have preferred a more... authentic one, with more action and actually showing the might of the planet's war machines instead of relying on inferior giant robots...

You mean something like Battle: LA or battleship? I haven't seen much of the first one, but i heard it was almost as bad as battleship. I guess war of the worlds or skyline also show bits of that, but they give a more...realistic or authentic portrayal of how we'd fare against a civilization that has both the means and the will to invade us: very very poorly. Point is, we have a couple of those movies and they are generally not very good in any way. In contrast, pacific rim is probably the only giant robot movie of it's scale...ever. I can't think of anything close to it.

Personally, i thought pacific rim was a fun movie that did it's job (show giant things mashing each other) pretty well while not having a horrible plot to go along with it. It could've fleshed out the story a lot better, and i was kind of anxious to see how both the action and the story would be improved on after laying down the foundation in the first one. Del Toro does not strike me as the kind of director to make a similar sequel, rather one to use the neccessary stuff he did in the first one to go deeper and smarter in the second one.

Or maybe it would've been a mostly forgettable movie, highly similar to the first one. If the action and the CGI (quite intertwined) were as good as the first one, i would've still liked it. The fact that most of the action was relatively slow and methodical made it all the cooler for me, usually CGI is used to speed things up and make them confusing.

Tripods = realism gone. It is a moronic design no alien race would be caught using... less it is on a parade of a theme park I guess :P

Battle LA and Battleship had other problems, not the core genre or their general point.

See, here is the thing... Pacific Rim was of the same quality as Battle LA and Battleship to me. I respect your opinion here, but to me all 3 were... mediocre. Except one also had a stupid premise (giant robots) that I will never understand the appeal of.

Also, using giant monsters = aliens either are shit at war or are morons :P

Idea for his next movie: Brilliant film director routinely shafted in projects by curse. (based on a true story)

Zhukov:
Meh. The first film was like 10 minutes of cool action surrounded by 80 minutes of cliche characters exchanging goofy dialogue.

Plus they killed off the interesting robots in favour of the boring ones. Weird.

If this means he can make another Hellboy movie instead then I ain't complaining.

I totally agree with you. It started so well and then deteriorated into generic dullness.

While I am sad about the news (it was a good solid mindless action whihc did alot better than Transformers ever did) but I can at least take solace that the film ending did not lead up to a possible sequel. I hate it when a film does that only for it to never have a sequel (well except for the Mario Bro movie).

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I liked part 1 sooo damn much!!!! :'(

Ah poor Del Toro and his cancellation curse. What was legendary and WB working on recently also? I forget, but it was news on here.
Agreed, the first film was not too great, I can understand that a sequel is not on everybody's priority list. But this is one of those cases where I believe a sequel with a bigger budget would be a necessary improvement for the IP. Del toro himself said he couldn't put all the ideas he wanted into the original. Restrained budget meant not enough CGI fighting and more generic, badly written drama time with budget actors instead. This time around, get some better actors in, add way more scenes of monster action and perhaps write a few more thorough drafts of script. Well that is what I was hoping the sequel to be. Also set on the alien planet too.

Dammit, this news freaking hurts.

I know the story was really dumb but what I loved about the first one is how graceful they made both the Kaiju and Giant robots look and feel. You could tell they was a lot of love and detail put into each one of them and how they move. Plus being one of the few modern "Giant anythings" movies in cinema nowadays, I was looking forward seeing how much more cool bullshit they were gonna try and pull off in the next one.

Seriously, what's with the luck on this guy?

Why does this keep happening?

I'm still waiting for At the Mountains of Madness, for Azathoth's sake!

I need to stop being a Del Toro fan, there is too much pain.

I loved the first movie, but it didn't really leave itself much to go on for a sequel. That was one of the things I liked about it, in a blockbuster scene where nothing ever ends any more, it wrapped itself up quite well.

So I'm not too broken up about this.

Hrm. I liked the first movie and paid money to see it in IMAX at the theatre (something I rarely do). I probably enjoyed it enough for a repeat performance as well.

I'm actually kind of surprised by this because although the movie didn't do well domestically in the USA, it still doubled it's money in box office receipts once everything was accounted for. I believe it made over 400 million on a 190 million budget. For an original sci-fi property that's actually pretty good... it seems like it's almost begging for the franchise treatment.

Zhukov:
If this means he can make another Hellboy movie instead then I ain't complaining.

I think that dream is dead. I don't understand why he doesn't Kickstart that project. Who wouldn't contribute to Hellboy 3?

I'm actually kinda glad it was cancelled. While I did love the movie a sequel wouldn't really fit. They accomplished what they set out to do and stopped the Kaiju and the aliens sending them. The only options I can see them doing is opening another rift or having to fight other Jaegers. Them having to fight more Kaiju would just be more of the same as the first one and having to fight other Jaegers wouldn't make much since the three we see in the movie are the only ones left with the rest being decommissioned or destroyed.

Adam Jensen:

Zhukov:
If this means he can make another Hellboy movie instead then I ain't complaining.

I think that dream is dead. I don't understand why he doesn't Kickstart that project. Who wouldn't contribute to Hellboy 3?

Anyone who watched Hellboy 2.

OK, A Del Toro project getting canned isn't a surprise, Pacific Rim not getting a sequel isn't a surprise. What is however very surprising to me is that a. Hellboy 3 is a thing anyone considered and b. people liked Hellboy. Really? Hellboy? as far as I can remember those movies hit basically all the same low points as Bayformers, except you could actually follow the shitty toothless CGI-fest action scenes and the lifeless forgettable (outside Perlman as Hellboy) cast was less skin peelingly annoying.

Fox12:
A lot of his projects sure seem to get cancelled. I'm not sure if he's hard to work with or just cursed.

Cursed seems the likely culprit...at least lately. Most of the cancellations aren't due to him, personally, but rather the studios and producers he's working with turning out to giant bags of dicks.

Dont really care, the first movie doesnt live up to a second viewing very well. Apart from the robot/monster battles and scenes with Ron Pealman the rest is boring. Id rather Del Toro direct Hellboy 3 or In The Mountains Of Madness.

Man, Del Toro cannot catch a break this time.
What was his last project to reach completion?

I should really watch the first and see if this news devastates me or not.

Adam Jensen:

I think that dream is dead. I don't understand why he doesn't Kickstart that project. Who wouldn't contribute to Hellboy 3?

And dammit, do it before Perlman is too old or dead to do the job!

Jack Action:

Adam Jensen:

Zhukov:
If this means he can make another Hellboy movie instead then I ain't complaining.

I think that dream is dead. I don't understand why he doesn't Kickstart that project. Who wouldn't contribute to Hellboy 3?

Anyone who watched Hellboy 2.

OOOOOOH SNAP!!!

OT: Yeah, I don't mind much. The first movie had that one very well done action setpiece in the middle and some nice colours, but beyond that it was quite forgetable. Props though for not hooking the two leads up in the end by default.

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