Shenmue 3 Crowdfunding Reopens

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Shenmue 3 Crowdfunding Reopens

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YS Net is raising money for Shenmue III - again.

On June 16, Shenmue creator Yu Suzuki launched a Kickstarter campaign in order to obtain funding for the long awaited third installment in the Shenmue franchise, making the announcement during Sony's 2015 E3 conference. The campaign broke a record on day one when it became the fastest crowdfunded game to reach $1 million, and became fully funded just hours after it went live.

The Kickstarter campaign closed on July 17 as the most funded video game Kickstarter campaign of all time, raising $6,333,295 total and smashing its original $2 million goal. Despite more than tripling the original goal, the amount raised was far lower than the $10 million the team was hoping for.

In an effort to make up the difference, YS Net has set up a "Slacker Backer" campaign for Shenmue III, with stretch goals detailed up to $11 million.

"This additional campaign comes as a response to all of the requests we have received asking for another opportunity to participate in the making of Shenmue III because either of a lack of payment options on Kickstarter, or just not having a chance to pledge before the campaign ended," the FAQ on the site reads. "While the full game will be completed as promised with the use of the funding collected on Kickstarter, any additional funding collected here will go towards reaching the Stretch Goals to make the game even bigger and deeper."

The new fundraising push could also impact the original target release.

"A rigorous budget and schedule has been worked out with our production team and we believe our target of 2017 holiday season is within reach," the FAQ explains. "That said, our goal is to make the best game possible (and one that the fans want!) so please understand the schedule may change as the project evolves. Frequent updates will be posted on the update page."

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Wait, the real target was $10 million and not $2 million??? Just how much money do they freaking need? Another whole lots of the "Shut up and take my money!" people?

As soon as this thing was announced by Sony at E3 I knew it would be a money grabbing scheme. Gamers are so fuckin' naive.

I'm sensing some disdain in your article, and it's really making you look bad. First off, Slacker Backer kits are pretty much the norm these days. So the dramatic pause before "again" is pretty unwarranted. And the comment about impacting the target release is completely at odds with what you quoted directly after. And if you'd been a bit more thorough in you're fact finding, you would have read the actual update, where you might have read the following:

The Slacker Backer period will continue through December 31st. While the full game will be completed as promised with the use of the funding collected on Kickstarter, any additional funding collected here will go towards reaching the Stretch Goals to make the game even bigger and deeper. The three month window was set to allow a long enough time to for everyone who wants to support Shenmue III to do so, but short enough to keep the release date on track.

So I suppose the Slacker Backer deal could delay the release, but that's pure speculation on your part, and about as meaningful as saying that a Suzuki getting a sprained ankle could delay the release. Both possibly true, but neither supported by any evidence.

Adam Jensen:
As soon as this thing was announced by Sony at E3 I knew it would be a money grabbing scheme. Gamers are so fuckin' naive.

Your basis for that claim? So far, other than a rather poorly run Kickstarter, nothing Shenmue is doing is different than most other Kickstarters. For instance, you can also pledge more money to Bloodstained right now(in fact, I got the updates for that notification on the same day as Shenmue's Slacker Backer announcement).

Scars Unseen:
I'm sensing some disdain in your article, and it's really making you look bad. First off, Slacker Backer kits are pretty much the norm these days. So the dramatic pause before "again" is pretty unwarranted. And the comment about impacting the target release is completely at odds with what you quoted directly after. And if you'd been a bit more thorough in you're fact finding, you would have read the actual update, where you might have read the following:

The Slacker Backer period will continue through December 31st. While the full game will be completed as promised with the use of the funding collected on Kickstarter, any additional funding collected here will go towards reaching the Stretch Goals to make the game even bigger and deeper. The three month window was set to allow a long enough time to for everyone who wants to support Shenmue III to do so, but short enough to keep the release date on track.

So I suppose the Slacker Backer deal could delay the release, but that's pure speculation on your part, and about as meaningful as saying that a Suzuki getting a sprained ankle could delay the release. Both possibly true, but neither supported by any evidence.

Apologies if that's how you interpreted it, as that was not in the least how any of what I wrote was intended. The use of the word again was in order to establish that this is, in fact, not the first go at crowdfunding the game, for those unfamiliar with the original push. As for the potential delay, I intentionally used the word "could." The quote from the Backer page's FAQ section states that while they believe their target is within release, the schedule may change. I didn't write that quote, that is the information provided on the backer page. However, I assure you there is no disdain.

Lizzy Finnegan:

Scars Unseen:
I'm sensing some disdain in your article, and it's really making you look bad. First off, Slacker Backer kits are pretty much the norm these days. So the dramatic pause before "again" is pretty unwarranted. And the comment about impacting the target release is completely at odds with what you quoted directly after. And if you'd been a bit more thorough in you're fact finding, you would have read the actual update, where you might have read the following:

The Slacker Backer period will continue through December 31st. While the full game will be completed as promised with the use of the funding collected on Kickstarter, any additional funding collected here will go towards reaching the Stretch Goals to make the game even bigger and deeper. The three month window was set to allow a long enough time to for everyone who wants to support Shenmue III to do so, but short enough to keep the release date on track.

So I suppose the Slacker Backer deal could delay the release, but that's pure speculation on your part, and about as meaningful as saying that a Suzuki getting a sprained ankle could delay the release. Both possibly true, but neither supported by any evidence.

Apologies if that's how you interpreted it, as that was not in the least how any of what I wrote was intended. The use of the word again was in order to establish that this is, in fact, not the first go at crowdfunding the game, for those unfamiliar with the original push. As for the potential delay, I intentionally used the word "could." The quote from the Backer page's FAQ section states that while they believe their target is within release, the schedule may change. I didn't write that quote, that is the information provided on the backer page. However, I assure you there is no disdain.

I appreciate the reply. I guess the thing is to be aware of the site we're on. The Escapist encourages acidic and saracstic writing styles when dealing with subjects they wish to criticize. So it's easy to see how putting a deliberate pause in a sentence that doesn't usually warrant one might be interpreted that way.

As for the delay issue, the text you quoted specifically says that any potential delays will be for ensuring quality, and the text I quoted specifically denies that the Slacker Backer period will delay the game's release. So the claim that the game could be delayed because of Slacker Backer is completely unsubstantiated.

Scars Unseen:

Lizzy Finnegan:

Scars Unseen:
I'm sensing some disdain in your article, and it's really making you look bad. First off, Slacker Backer kits are pretty much the norm these days. So the dramatic pause before "again" is pretty unwarranted. And the comment about impacting the target release is completely at odds with what you quoted directly after. And if you'd been a bit more thorough in you're fact finding, you would have read the actual update, where you might have read the following:

So I suppose the Slacker Backer deal could delay the release, but that's pure speculation on your part, and about as meaningful as saying that a Suzuki getting a sprained ankle could delay the release. Both possibly true, but neither supported by any evidence.

Apologies if that's how you interpreted it, as that was not in the least how any of what I wrote was intended. The use of the word again was in order to establish that this is, in fact, not the first go at crowdfunding the game, for those unfamiliar with the original push. As for the potential delay, I intentionally used the word "could." The quote from the Backer page's FAQ section states that while they believe their target is within release, the schedule may change. I didn't write that quote, that is the information provided on the backer page. However, I assure you there is no disdain.

I appreciate the reply. I guess the thing is to be aware of the site we're on. The Escapist encourages acidic and saracstic writing styles when dealing with subjects they wish to criticize. So it's easy to see how putting a deliberate pause in a sentence that doesn't usually warrant one might be interpreted that way.

As for the delay issue, the text you quoted specifically says that any potential delays will be for ensuring quality, and the text I quoted specifically denies that the Slacker Backer period will delay the game's release. So the claim that the game could be delayed because of Slacker Backer is completely unsubstantiated.

I've never been encouraged to do that personally, and on Twitter (where it's appropriate to have an opinion, lol) I am actually defending this decision to an extent. People have waited a long time for this game and most wouldn't want to be short-changed, so if they want to attempt to collect more money, I can't complain. One year ago, this wasn't even a possibility.

With the delay, the statement of "the schedule may change as the project evolves" I took to be reflective of the stretch goals included - that amount of new content would certainly take time. Although, I understand it could be unclear, and as a result have reached out to them for more clarity on that point.

Scarim Coral:
Wait, the real target was $10 million and not $2 million??? Just how much money do they freaking need? Another whole lots of the "Shut up and take my money!" people?

A seamless sandbox is a giant money sink.
Shen Mue 2 did cost circa 50 million $
And those were the days of clumsy animation, low poly models and so on.

Very interesting Video on this matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnvy0yzgVWc

I really want this to succeed. Damnit, my fingers are crossed that nothing will go wrong. It does appear to be an honest labour of love that is also getting to grips with kickstarter funding. I'm cheering these guys on, yet backing kickstarter for a project that ultimately is aimed at bolstering my future entertainment feels a little vain, whereas I would feel less terrible using the money instead to entertain people. I dunno, maybe by throwing it at them. On fire.

I hope this fails hard and everyone loses their money and gets nothing to show for.
I'm also all for CIG going bankrupt and SC hitting the floor.

Welp

Fuck this

Just like with fucking Inafune

This, along with the news of Inafune delaying the demo to his backers, goes to show how shady some of these KS projects are.

Lizzy Finnegan:

Scars Unseen:

Lizzy Finnegan:

Apologies if that's how you interpreted it, as that was not in the least how any of what I wrote was intended. The use of the word again was in order to establish that this is, in fact, not the first go at crowdfunding the game, for those unfamiliar with the original push. As for the potential delay, I intentionally used the word "could." The quote from the Backer page's FAQ section states that while they believe their target is within release, the schedule may change. I didn't write that quote, that is the information provided on the backer page. However, I assure you there is no disdain.

I appreciate the reply. I guess the thing is to be aware of the site we're on. The Escapist encourages acidic and saracstic writing styles when dealing with subjects they wish to criticize. So it's easy to see how putting a deliberate pause in a sentence that doesn't usually warrant one might be interpreted that way.

As for the delay issue, the text you quoted specifically says that any potential delays will be for ensuring quality, and the text I quoted specifically denies that the Slacker Backer period will delay the game's release. So the claim that the game could be delayed because of Slacker Backer is completely unsubstantiated.

I've never been encouraged to do that personally, and on Twitter (where it's appropriate to have an opinion, lol) I am actually defending this decision to an extent. People have waited a long time for this game and most wouldn't want to be short-changed, so if they want to attempt to collect more money, I can't complain. One year ago, this wasn't even a possibility.

With the delay, the statement of "the schedule may change as the project evolves" I took to be reflective of the stretch goals included - that amount of new content would certainly take time. Although, I understand it could be unclear, and as a result have reached out to them for more clarity on that point.

Hate to do this here but have no idea what else to do. Lizzy, been trying to contact you but haven't been able to. Please reply if you see this, it's really important.

TristanBelmont:
Welp

Fuck this

Just like with fucking Inafune

WolvDragon:
This, along with the news of Inafune delaying the demo to his backers, goes to show how shady some of these KS projects are.

Once again, what is your basis for this conclusion? This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

Scars Unseen:

TristanBelmont:
Welp

Fuck this

Just like with fucking Inafune

WolvDragon:
This, along with the news of Inafune delaying the demo to his backers, goes to show how shady some of these KS projects are.

Once again, what is your basis for this conclusion? This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

I suspect some people just need to find a reason to rage at the industry in general and will never be happy with anything. It shows a lack of the ability to compare one situation to another objectively, but rather a tendency to just lump all into one category and take a massive deuce on top of it.

Ah Scars Unseen, being KS's usual defender huh? I don't fucking care about Bloodstained or Pillars of Eternity. KS will continue to be a den for scammers and rip off artists like Inafune in my eyes!

WolvDragon:
Ah Scars Unseen, being KS's usual defender huh? I don't fucking care about Bloodstained or Pillars of Eternity. KS will continue to be a den for scammers and rip off artists like Inafune in my eyes!

Ah. WolvDragon, still trying to claim specific problems without evidence, and then invoking completely unrelated projects whose problems are completely unrelated in order to "back up" your claims, huh? I don't really care about your problem with Kickstarter. You can have that opinion if you want. I won't even tell you you're wrong for having it.

But get your facts straight before trying to paint specific projects as being especially offensive. Or at least just be honest and say "I don't like Kickstarter, and this doesn't convince me otherwise." I could respect that even if I didn't agree with it.

This really is a fishy thing to do. To reopen a kickstarter that was funded and went 3 times over the goal. If the goal wasn't 2 million they should have made one that funded the game more realistically.

And its a bad habit of too many kickstarters to give release dates they cant meet.

I'm fairly happy that I didn't find myself too hyped for this. Investing In the "less successful" and temporary champion Bloodstained seemed like a safer bet than a previously budget breaking game.

No offense mean't. Just that the previous games In Shenmue cost so much, that I couldn't imagine any sort of crowdfunding being enough.

Scars Unseen:
This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

Reaching out for more money after you already gathered what you said you needed never looks good.

And frankly i dont see why youre whiteknighting against people who have probably been burned by a KS gone bad.

I didn't know what to think of it back then. But now I know .

gigastar:

Scars Unseen:
This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

Reaching out for more money after you already gathered what you said you needed never looks good.

And frankly i dont see why youre whiteknighting against people who have probably been burned by a KS gone bad.

Sort of wondering how it's offensive to put the OPPORTUNITY to back a project after it's goal was reached up. Is getting offended some sort of trend?

gigastar:

Scars Unseen:
This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

Reaching out for more money after you already gathered what you said you needed never looks good.

And frankly i dont see why youre whiteknighting against people who have probably been burned by a KS gone bad.

I'm just pointing out that spurious claims are spurious claims. Either Shenmue is doing nothing wrong in doing the same thing that most other Kickstarters do(setting up a post-Kickstarter for people who couldn't get in during the initial campaign), or all of them are, and your problem should be with crowd funding in general, not Shenmue specifically. Either way, trying to paint Shenmue's actions as being particularly worthy of condemnation is either ignorant or spiteful.

Scars Unseen:
I'm just pointing out that spurious claims are spurious claims. Either Shenmue is doing nothing wrong in doing the same thing that most other Kickstarters do(setting up a post-Kickstarter for people who couldn't get in during the initial campaign), or all of them are, and your problem should be with crowd funding in general, not Shenmue specifically. Either way, trying to paint Shenmue's actions as being particularly worthy of condemnation is either ignorant or spiteful.

Well i, for one, dont like the idea of them already having the most successful kickstarter ever and then coming back and asking for more, regardless of whether thier intentions are benign or not.

Surely they could follow Larian's lead with Divinity: Original Sin, in which they take what they got in the first run, make and release something with it, and then use the sales income to work on an enhanced edition later?

Dalrien:
Sort of wondering how it's offensive to put the OPPORTUNITY to back a project after it's goal was reached up. Is getting offended some sort of trend?

This is the internet. Anyone can be offended by anything, thats if i understand this "Triggered" nonsense ive been seeing pop up every so often.

gigastar:

Scars Unseen:
I'm just pointing out that spurious claims are spurious claims. Either Shenmue is doing nothing wrong in doing the same thing that most other Kickstarters do(setting up a post-Kickstarter for people who couldn't get in during the initial campaign), or all of them are, and your problem should be with crowd funding in general, not Shenmue specifically. Either way, trying to paint Shenmue's actions as being particularly worthy of condemnation is either ignorant or spiteful.

Well i, for one, dont like the idea of them already having the most successful kickstarter ever and then coming back and asking for more, regardless of whether thier intentions are benign or not.

Surely they could follow Larian's lead with Divinity: Original Sin, in which they take what they got in the first run, make and release something with it, and then use the sales income to work on an enhanced edition later?

Probably not. I haven't played D:OS, so I don't know what its enhancements entail, but Shenmue's stretch goals are about increasing the depth of the main game. It's not like Bloodstained, where most of the stretch goals were added play modes and the like.

As far as it being the most successful (video game) Kickstarter, that's only true now. Before Shenmue, other projects were the most successful, and most of them also accepted post-Kickstarter Paypal pledges. So again, Shenmue is doing nothing that hasn't already been done many times before.

Also keep in mind that Shenmue wasn't originally going to take Paypal pledges at all. This is pretty much being done because the fans requested it due to many people being unable to pledge as much as they'd like at the time due to financial concerns. There are also people that don't like using Kickstarter because it doesn't take your money out when you pledge, and Paypal is an alternative method of pledging for them. People have been asking for a Paypal option since the campaign first began.

Now, after all that, I guess I should bring up that there is one point of criticism that hasn't been brought up that is worth mentioning. I was actually going to put money in through the Slacker Backer kit because I was only able to afford a $5 pledge at the time due to financial issues. But at least for now, that won't be happening. I primarily game on PC, but for some reason, the Slacker Backer only includes PS4 options, and I don't even know if I'm ever going to get a PS4. So until they include a PC option, I'll be sitting this one out.

Scars Unseen:

TristanBelmont:
Welp

Fuck this

Just like with fucking Inafune

WolvDragon:
This, along with the news of Inafune delaying the demo to his backers, goes to show how shady some of these KS projects are.

Once again, what is your basis for this conclusion? This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

I don't recall Bloodstained having another Kickstarter.
Or Pillars.

TristanBelmont:
I don't recall Bloodstained having another Kickstarter.
Or Pillars.

Neither do I. The ones that have? Just off the top of my head was Mighty No. 9 (one later kickstarter AND then getting a publishing deal) and the Double Fine project (which was TWO additional Kickstarters, another charity drive, FURTHER investment AND only half of one game delivered initially and another title being abandoned.)

Yeah, where's the asking for more money being a good thing again?

Scars Unseen:

gigastar:

Scars Unseen:
This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

Reaching out for more money after you already gathered what you said you needed never looks good.

And frankly i dont see why youre whiteknighting against people who have probably been burned by a KS gone bad.

I'm just pointing out that spurious claims are spurious claims. Either Shenmue is doing nothing wrong in doing the same thing that most other Kickstarters do(setting up a post-Kickstarter for people who couldn't get in during the initial campaign), or all of them are, and your problem should be with crowd funding in general, not Shenmue specifically. Either way, trying to paint Shenmue's actions as being particularly worthy of condemnation is either ignorant or spiteful.

Most Kickstarters don't have the backing of someone like Sony to prop them up.

Adam Jensen:
As soon as this thing was announced by Sony at E3 I knew it would be a money grabbing scheme. Gamers are so fuckin' naive.

No, just the console/Japanese game nostalgia Gamers. The oldschool PC/Adventure nostalgia backers have been burned enough for this kind of sh** to not fly with them.

Either way, this looked shady since Sony's involvement was announced, so I'm not particularly surprised that there was a secret reserve limit that they were supposed to meet.

All this begs the question: if the team was looking for $10 million, then why the hell didn't they make that the initial goal?!

The whole things reeks of corporate greed anyway, what with the game already being backed by Sony. I realize Shenmue fans want nothing more than this game to be reality, but can't they see they're being played for fools, shaken down for extra money in the name of "gauging interest?"

Scars Unseen:
Your basis for that claim?

What's the point? You're one of the naive ones that I'm referring to. Hiding behind a veil of shallow wannabe rationalism.

Neverhoodian:
The whole things reeks of corporate greed anyway, what with the game already being backed by Sony.

Yep. This is worse than what Square-Enix is doing with Hitman. Publishers are starting to realize just how naive gamers really are. They can practically make gamers pay for everything without the publisher taking even the slightest risk. Sony basically managed to make gamers pay for expenses that publishers are supposed to pay for. At least to an extent if not the whole thing. But I wouldn't be surprised if Sony doesn't pay a dime. It's all profit for them. It's brilliant. Yet some people still refuse to see what's going on. And they probably think that they're being very logical like our friend Scars Unseen.
"Oh but you don't have the evidence for those claims". Right. Try living your life and try making decisious using pure logic without critical thinking and see how far that will get you.

Gennadios:
Either way, this looked shady since Sony's involvement was announced, so I'm not particularly surprised that there was a secret reserve limit that they were supposed to meet.

I suspect that the original KS goal was supposed to be used to convince Sony that Shenmue 3 is a viable business opportunity. But when Sony execs saw just how much money gamers are willing to give for this, they decided to see if they're willing to give even more. They're probably aware of how much money Star Citizen managed to raise. I would have done the same thing in their shoes. It's how corporations operate. People forget, or they're too dumb to realize that the main goal of a corporation is to minimize the risk and the cost of doing business while maximizing the profit. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what's going on. But it takes someone really naive to just take this news of Kickstarter reopening at face value.

Ishigami:
I hope this fails hard and everyone loses their money and gets nothing to show for.
I'm also all for CIG going bankrupt and SC hitting the floor.

We can do it. We can kill Kickstarter before it becomes the pandering bloated little brother of AAA publishing.

TristanBelmont:

Scars Unseen:

TristanBelmont:
Welp

Fuck this

Just like with fucking Inafune

WolvDragon:
This, along with the news of Inafune delaying the demo to his backers, goes to show how shady some of these KS projects are.

Once again, what is your basis for this conclusion? This is standard Kickstarter stuff. Bloodstained is doing it. Pillars of Eternity did it. There is nothing happening here that doesn't happen with the majority of large successful projects.

I don't recall Bloodstained having another Kickstarter.
Or Pillars.

1. Shenmue is not having another Kickstarter. It's accepting Paypal pledges.

2. You need to recall better. Pillars accepted Paypal pledges for most of its development, and as for Bloodstained... You can pledge through Paypal right now.

Adam Jensen:

Scars Unseen:
Your basis for that claim?

What's the point? You're one of the naive ones that I'm referring to. Hiding behind a veil of shallow wannabe rationalism.

So none then? Gotcha.

Ishigami:
I hope this fails hard and everyone loses their money and gets nothing to show for.
I'm also all for CIG going bankrupt and SC hitting the floor.

Lol vindictive much?

On topic I am really looking forward to this game and happily backed it. I threw an absurd amount of money at it and would do it again. Shenmue is my favorite series and so far this sequel is looking like it will be something awesome. I hope they can hit the 10 million mark and make the game they want.

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