Marvel Announces Ant-Man Sequel, Three Other "Mystery" Films

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Marvel Announces Ant-Man Sequel, Three Other "Mystery" Films

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Growing fatigued of superhero movie sequels and spinoffs? TOO BAD.

Although Ant-Man didn't exactly achieve the box office success of Marvel's forty *other* superhero movies released in the past 5 years -- earning just $178 million domestically on a $150 million budget -- it was an entry in the all-important "Phase Two" of their cinematic universe, which can only mean one thing: a sequel.

Marvel is gonna Marvel, essentially, and as such, the company announced plans for an Ant-Man sequel yesterday.

The project, titled Ant-Man and the Wasp, will be "the first Marvel Studios film named after its heroine" (yay equality!) and already has a release date set despite not having a director, shooting locations, or pretty much anything else lined up. So clear your calendars for the weekend of July 6, 2018, folks, because Marvel's next 200 million dollar advertisement disguised as a movie is on the way!

You'll have to forgive my sarcasm. I generally enjoy anything Paul Rudd is in and thought Ant-Man certainly wasn't the worst comic book movie I've ever seen, but I simply can't shake the feeling that the entire MCU is just a long, time and money-consuming con-game that ends like so.

Maybe it's just me, but the fact that -- in addition to the Ant-Man sequel, Captain America: Civil War, a Doctor Strange movie, yet another Spider-Man movie, Thor: Ragnarok, Avengers: Infinity War - Part 1 and 2, Black Panther, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, all of which have been announced for the next few years -- Marvel is now teasing yet-to-be-named movies which will hit theaters FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

Additionally, Ant-Man's second adventure will lead to a couple of other films shifting their dates, with Marvel's "Black Panther" moving up to February 16, 2018 and Marvel's "Captain Marvel" landing on March 8, 2019.

Finally, three untitled Marvel Studios films will premiere on May 1, 2020, July 10, 2020, and November 6, 2020.

I mean, this has to be some kind of sick joke, right? How can this even be considered an announcement? THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE TITLES YET. (Author's note: I'm aware of the fact that I've probably come to the wrong place to air out my grievances about Marvel, but still, it had to be said.)

My personal trepidation aside, Marvel additionally released the concept art for the titular Wasp, aka Hope Pym (played by Evangeline Lily), which you can check out below.

Basically, it's the same outfit as Ant-Man's, but WITH WINGS.

Ant-Man and the Wasp hits theaters on July 6, 2018.

Source: Marvel

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Just an FYI, bold text looks better than ALLCAPS.

Awh but I liked the yellow colour scheme seen at the end credit scene.

Huh, more MCU whining... Who'd a thunk it. Shouldn't there be whining about TV series? Or comicbook continuation? Or book sequels? Why are - Marvel? - film sequels so singled out negatively? So far the MCU's quality's been consistently quite strong (as a fan I'd go further than that), so the more comicbook films the better, says I.

Aside from that: I wasn't really sure if they'd actually bother with Hope even after seeing that Ant-Man post-credit - it's a female character, clearly Marvel have issues with those... But I'm glad she'll be getting some proper screentime. Rudd and Lilly had a pretty great rapport, so as long as the script's up to scratch, it all bodes well.

Darth Rosenberg:
Huh, more MCU whining... Who'd a thunk it. Shouldn't there be whining about TV series? Or comicbook continuation? Or book sequels? Why are - Marvel? - film sequels so singled out negatively?

It's because Marvel is well advertised and people talk about it, and it is successful. That is all the reason that is needed.

OT: I think I said all that needed to be said about this in the thread I made about this last night.

This article sounds like half of the comments in the off-topic thread (^Zontar's!^) announcing the new Ant Man/Wasp movie. If you don't like the movies, you don't have to see them, much less write about their announcements.

Scarim Coral:
Awh but I liked the yellow colour scheme seen at the end credit scene.

Same here. I would have loved to see yellow and black Wasp. Oh well, I'm just happy she's joining the line-up.

Umm, for it's budget Ant-Man was successful. Stop acting like it bombed. It didn't.

Oh, and this was announced yesterday. Maybe try posting these articles a little faster.

Spaceman Spiff:
This article sounds like half of the comments in the off-topic thread (^Zontar's!^) announcing the new Ant Man/Wasp movie. If you don't like the movies, you don't have to see them, much less write about their announcements.

While I can't attest to what's written in the forums (don't read them), I would argue that as a writer here, I *do* need to cover what is a seemingly important announcement for both movie and comic book fans. In any case, I hold no actual ill will towards the MCU (like I said, I actually enjoyed Ant-Man), but was just trying to have a little fun with this news while knowing full-well the backlash I would receive. In other words...

Your concerns are valid, and I don't disagree with them. I think what Marvel is doing with their marketing is silly and they are pushing it too far. This isn't the limit, though. They are going to continue pushing and pushing and it will eventually come back to haunt them. That said, I love the Marvel movies and the bottom line for me is that I like watching good movies. That's kept me on the train so far.

I'm having a hard time viewing this as good Journalism.

Note to self:

stop reading articles from JaredJones they just put you in a bad mood...

... write about something else then.

YOu know that the big MCU fans are already optimistically speculating about the MCU film coming out in 2050

Scarim Coral:
Awh but I liked the yellow colour scheme seen at the end credit scene.

Spaceman Spiff:

Same here. I would have loved to see yellow and black Wasp. Oh well, I'm just happy she's joining the line-up.

Fortunately, employing my common sense (which I got from being bitten by a radioactive commoner), that is almost certainly the concept art for Janet's suit in the Ant-Man movie since it looks very similar to what's in the movie.
Just, uhh... throwing that out there.

JaredJones:

Spaceman Spiff:
This article sounds like half of the comments in the off-topic thread (^Zontar's!^) announcing the new Ant Man/Wasp movie. If you don't like the movies, you don't have to see them, much less write about their announcements.

While I can't attest to what's written in the forums (don't read them), I would argue that as a writer here, I *do* need to cover what is a seemingly important announcement for both movie and comic book fans. In any case, I hold no actual ill will towards the MCU (like I said, I actually enjoyed Ant-Man), but was just trying to have a little fun with this news while knowing full-well the backlash I would receive. In other words...

from our perspective, it doesn't feel like you're having fun, it just feels like hateful bashing, even with the disclaimer of saying you liked Ant-man. as someone who enjoys writing myself, i know that sometimes your intention doesn't come through as clearly as you'd like, and maybe that's what's going on here.

K12:
... write about something else then.

YOu know that the big MCU fans are already optimistically speculating about the MCU film coming out in 2050

i hear phase 12 is gonna awesome.

Hopefully the MCU has an official end at some point. It would be cool if the films coming out in 2020 are all wrap up movies for the characters.

CaptainMarvelous:

Scarim Coral:
Awh but I liked the yellow colour scheme seen at the end credit scene.

Spaceman Spiff:

Same here. I would have loved to see yellow and black Wasp. Oh well, I'm just happy she's joining the line-up.

Fortunately, employing my common sense (which I got from being bitten by a radioactive commoner), that is almost certainly the concept art for Janet's suit in the Ant-Man movie since it looks very similar to what's in the movie.
Just, uhh... throwing that out there.

Are you assuming the next Ant-Man movie is actually a prequel??

OT: I bet none of those unnamed Marval movies titles aren't even going to be Hulk-related...

FPLOON:
FPLOON SAD! FPLOON CRY IN CORNER! FPLOON THE WETTEST THERE IS! (Okay, maybe that last one was taken out of context, but I digress...)

Other than that...

FPLOON:
if it means more Ant-Man goodness with Wasp kicking ass, then I'm so going to see that shit in theaters!

Although, now that think about it, Wasp and the Ant-Man sounds catchy...

JaredJones:
Although Ant-Man didn't exactly achieve the box office success of Marvel's forty *other* superhero movies released in the past 5 years -- earning just $178 million domestically on a $150 million budget -- it was an entry in the all-important "Phase Two" of their cinematic universe, which can only mean one thing: a sequel.

Boxofficemojo.com quotes a production budget of $130 million, not $150 million; did you have some other source (one that includes advertising, perhaps?)

Otherwise, I somewhat agree. Ant-Man was better than I expected (especially given its troubled conception), and an entertaining enough flick, but still probably in the ranks with Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World among Marvel's recent offerings. I haven't actually been disappointed by a recent Marvel movie yet, but they could definitely stand to slow down- for the sake of quality assurance, if not fan fatigue.

I really don't understand why they are making a sequel to a flop. I didn't go see Ant-Man, but I based that decision off of my gut instinct that it would suck, however I can't find a single friend of mine who did see it who thought it was better than "mediocre". Some even said it was about as bad as Iron Man 3, which in my honest opinion was terrible.

If I'm really honest about it, out of the last "phase" of movies I saw, the only ones I really liked were Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. I really hope they find a new director for the next Avengers movie because frankly, Joss Whedon cannot make an action film (the fight sequences in Age of Ultron were horrifically bad and the entire movie was anti-climatic) and I'm sick of his writing and how he has to turn every character interaction into a contest to see how many sarcastic jokes or pop culture references can be made in a single scene.

The only thing that has me mildly interested other than the next Captain America movie is to see their take on Doctor Strange and that's simply because they haven't released an occult themed movie yet and I'm really curious to see what direction they take this in. At least I think after watching his work in Sherlock that Benedict Cumberbatch might make a pretty good Stephen Strange. We'll cross our fingers on that one.

Jake Martinez:
I really don't understand why they are making a sequel to a flop. I didn't go see Ant-Man, but I based that decision off of my gut instinct that it would suck, however I can't find a single friend of mine who did see it who thought it was better than "mediocre". Some even said it was about as bad as Iron Man 3, which in my honest opinion was terrible.

If making more than double your money back (400 million plus worldwide) and being reasonably well received is considered a flop I weep for the state of the film industry.

Jeeze, could this article have been written any more poorly and unprofessionally? It's pretty much an exercise in how NOT to report something.

(Author's note: I'm aware of the fact that I've probably come to the wrong place to air out my grievances about Marvel, but still, it had to be said.)

No, it really didn't need to be said. Especially not the way you said it.

Jake Martinez:
I really don't understand why they are making a sequel to a flop.

Because it wasn't a flop. It made 409 million worldwide off a budget of 130 million. In what reality is that a flop?

MCU hate is a funny thing.
I understand that people think that they have saturated the market, I really do.
What people fail to understand though is that the real problem is how shitty Hollywood has become. There wouldn't be so many MCU movies if the industry was competitive.
90% of modern movies are uninspired formulaic reboots created to exploit nostalgia and minimize risk on every level.

captain marvel is actually the first marvel movie named after a female protagonist. AND she isnt listed after a man

martyrdrebel27:

K12:
... write about something else then.

YOu know that the big MCU fans are already optimistically speculating about the MCU film coming out in 2050

i hear phase 12 is gonna awesome.

I'm so hyped for Avengers 9 which will be using the latest in VR technology, allowing you to assume the role of your favorite Avenger and actually influence the outcome of the film. Unfortunately though if you're crap at being a super hero and die in the film, the feedback backlash can kill you in real life.

I'm more interested in what the unnanounced ones are.

Darth Rosenberg:
Huh, more MCU whining... Who'd a thunk it. Shouldn't there be whining about TV series? Or comicbook continuation? Or book sequels? Why are - Marvel? - film sequels so singled out negatively? So far the MCU's quality's been consistently quite strong (as a fan I'd go further than that), so the more comicbook films the better, says I.

Long as Marvel keeps putting out movies I want to see, I'm more than happy to watch them, myself. And the ones I don't care about? Well, I'm not forced to watch them. A variety of characters is exactly what I want to see.

On a related note, while I have minimal interest in Ant-Man, I'm amazed to see this movie being called a failure and a flop.

Link XL1:
captain marvel is actually the first marvel movie named after a female protagonist. AND she isnt listed after a man

She's been pushed back (again). This will be the first one to come out.

Hooray, some more drip feed marketting to create hype. Why be amped for a movie that you have some idea about, when you can be hyped about "Untitled Marvel films" and "Mystery boxes".

Yeah, I'm still waiting for a good Marvel movie revolving around a woman.
Ms. Marvel got pushed back, naturally.
I mostly want to see if they're actually willing to try, or if they're just bullshitting us.

Evonisia:

Jake Martinez:
I really don't understand why they are making a sequel to a flop. I didn't go see Ant-Man, but I based that decision off of my gut instinct that it would suck, however I can't find a single friend of mine who did see it who thought it was better than "mediocre". Some even said it was about as bad as Iron Man 3, which in my honest opinion was terrible.

If making more than double your money back (400 million plus worldwide) and being reasonably well received is considered a flop I weep for the state of the film industry.

Well, that's actually the state of things. For a big studio like Disney (of which Marvel is now a part of) they have a limited release schedule for big movies, that is to say, they'll only release them at certain times of the year and they seldom have them competing against each other. This is so that they can maximize profits throughout the year and it makes sense - for instance, you don't release an expensive to make movie in the off season.

Secondly, that 400 million dollar figure is the gross ticket sales. It's not the actual money earned. They also have to pay various taxes in various regions, distribution fees, ticket sale sharing with theatres (although personally, I feel like this should be higher) and then they need to pay any gross points off the top of that to investors or other people (sometimes directors, producers or actors) and finally the production budget of $130 million doesn't include distribution and advertising costs. I guarantee you the actual money made off this film wasn't 400m - 130m = 270m. It was probably closer to 180m which just barely double their production costs.

Now that might sound great, I mean - double your money, right? But the truth is that when you look at the other movies that they could have released during that coveted movie going period, they really blew it. For a movie that big to gross less than 700m internationally is not a success. To give you a relative figure Disney/Marvel spent 280m on Age of Ultron and it grossed a whopping 1.5 billion dollars.

But maybe that's a little excessive considering the amount of money spent was almost double, let's look at something else that was considered a success from the same studio at a similar price: Captain America: The Winter Soldier. This movie cost a reported 180m to make and grossed internationally about 715m dollars. I'm positive that despite making less than 2x as much as Ant-Man once you do accounting on say Captain America, it'll have actually earned 3-4x as much money as Ant-Man because the higher profit would have overcome various sunk costs related to the movie production and release.

Anyway, this is what movie studios are looking at - how to maximize ROI in a short window of viewing time that they have every year (there are only so many movies that they can realistically release before they start diluting or taking share away from their other movies). This is why Ant-Man is a flop - low return on investment and was a loss for Disney/Marvel on what they call "opportunity cost" - to put it bluntly, by releasing this movie they missed the opportunity to potentially release another movie that would have made them a higher return.

Rebel_Raven:
Yeah, I'm still waiting for a good Marvel movie revolving around a woman.
Ms. Marvel got pushed back, naturally.
I mostly want to see if they're actually willing to try, or if they're just bullshitting us.

At least they have a better tack record on the TV/Netflix division. Agents of SHIELD might as well be Skye's/Daisy's show given how important she is in that show now and Agent Carter was a blast. Jessica Jones seems to have gotten rave reviews in the preview section as well. Still, yeah, I want that Ms. Marvel soon.

Wasp Movie confirmed to involve costume of sort

As for the three mystery movies, I find it simpler to just take a trip to the Marvel Wiki and hit the Random Page Button. My guesses are:

Ghost Flyer, a WW2 pilot version of Ghost Rider
An AU version of Iron Fist
And an AU version of Elizabeth Brant, J. Jonah Jameson's secretary...

T_ConX:
Wasp Movie confirmed to involve costume of sort
As for the three mystery movies, I find it simpler to just take a trip to the Marvel Wiki and hit the Random Page Button.

Wow that button really is random. I just rolled Conan the Barbarian, who apparently joined the Avengers in an alternate universe.

xaszatm:

Rebel_Raven:
Yeah, I'm still waiting for a good Marvel movie revolving around a woman.
Ms. Marvel got pushed back, naturally.
I mostly want to see if they're actually willing to try, or if they're just bullshitting us.

At least they have a better tack record on the TV/Netflix division. Agents of SHIELD might as well be Skye's/Daisy's show given how important she is in that show now and Agent Carter was a blast. Jessica Jones seems to have gotten rave reviews in the preview section as well. Still, yeah, I want that Ms. Marvel soon.

Yeah, hopefully solid TV showings will lead to a solid movie, and we can break the trend of basically having no good female comic character movies.

I also need to get netflix one day.

xaszatm:

At least they have a better tack record on the TV/Netflix division. Agents of SHIELD might as well be Skye's/Daisy's show given how important she is in that show now and Agent Carter was a blast. Jessica Jones seems to have gotten rave reviews in the preview section as well. Still, yeah, I want that Ms. Marvel soon.

I would wait and see what Netflix actually offers before getting too hyped, though. Like, I haven't seen AoS or AC, but the environment is rather different on TV.

As for Captain Marvel, I'm beginning to think that they're going to keep bumping her. Until in like 2030 or something, they finally knock her off the slate in favour of Captain America's shield's solo movie.

...the third one.

T_ConX:
Wasp Movie confirmed to involve costume of sort

Woah, woah, WOAH. At least mark that line with spoilers!

Ghost Flyer, a WW2 pilot version of Ghost Rider

Joking aside, I really want to see that now.

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