Princess No More - Leia Has A New Title In Star Wars: The Force Awakens

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Princess No More - Leia Has A New Title In Star Wars: The Force Awakens

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Carrie Fisher and J.J. Abrams revealed that Leia Organa no longer bears a royal title in Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens' release date is rapidly approaching, which means we'll soon see Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia together on-screen again. Well, except for one tiny detail: Leia technically isn't a Princess, or any other kind of royalty. Actor Carrie Fisher and director J.J. Abrams recently discussed Leia's new backstory, revealing that between Episodes VI and VII she became General Leia Organa. And on reflection, that seems far more appropriate and badass.

"She's referred to as General," Abrams said. "But ... there's a moment in the movie where a character sort of slips and calls her 'Princess.'" Feel free to guess who slips up and how Leia reacts. Personally, I suspect Private Link will regret his words.

Long-time Star Wars fans will probably have trouble separating Leia from her royal title, but it makes quite a bit of sense. "Princess" was a position Leia received on Alderaan, a role rendered unnecessary when millions of her subjects were suddenly silenced. (Too soon?) After parting ways with Luke, Han, and Chewie, Leia stayed in a leadership role, but gained an appropriate new title that demanded respect.

That's not to say the transition was easy. Fisher herself describes General Organa as "solitary. Under a lot of pressure. Committed as ever to her cause, but I would imagine feeling somewhat defeated, tired, and pissed." But Fisher still wants fans to take a strong message from this version of Leia: "Never give up."

Sounds like Leia may not have changed that much after all.

Source: Entertainment Weekly

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She won't be wearing the traditional Alderaan gold bikini either: complete break with the past, this film!

A more serious point: does Leia have any military experience to justify such a high rank, or is it simply a replacement title?

Wait... I just realized that disney bought starwars and what that means. Leia is now a disney princess, I'm surprised they didnt change her title in movie to disney princess Leia.

Welcome to pedants corner. This is where, I the pedant, point out that military titles do not supersede royal titles. The correct title is General the Princess Leia. As in Admiral the Lord Nelson or Field Marshall the Duke of Wellington.

So I guessing they can no lonager placed her with the other Disney Princess now then?

Even then wouldn't she bare the title Queen Leia prior to this news or was her mother wasn't on Alderaan?

I would have made her a hutt. Carrie could pass for Jabba's daughter nowadays. Cocaine is one hell of a drug.

While I can understand doing away with the title of royalty on the grounds she's royalty of an asteroid belt, she never really came off as a military leader. She always did a role more akin to a diplomat, probably because of the fact she was a diplomat. One would think Senator or Governor or Minister, but General? When did she switch disciplines? Why? Wouldn't the New Republic have better use for her talents where she works best instead of where there's already a large number of competent people within the rebel alliance?

albino boo:
Welcome to pedants corner. This is where, I the pedant, point out that military titles do not supersede royal titles. The correct title is General the Princess Leia. As in Admiral the Lord Nelson or Field Marshall the Duke of Wellington.

Except in the Star Wars universe, some royal titles are treated as political terms. Which is why Padmé went from Queen Amidala in Episode I to Senator Amidala in Episode II.

What? Disney is making a princess not a princess? What madness has come over the Disney marketing department?

Dragonlayer:
A more serious point: does Leia have any military experience to justify such a high rank, or is it simply a replacement title?

Well, they promote smugglers and city managers to General, even if they're still technically recovering from carbonite freezing. Don't see why Leia couldn't get the job.

Hooray for faux-feminism, I guess.

Fanghawk:

albino boo:
Welcome to pedants corner. This is where, I the pedant, point out that military titles do not supersede royal titles. The correct title is General the Princess Leia. As in Admiral the Lord Nelson or Field Marshall the Duke of Wellington.

Except in the Star Wars universe, some royal titles are treated as political terms. Which is why Padmé went from Queen Amidala in Episode I to Senator Amidala in Episode II.

If you wish to be extra pedantic,and why wouldn't you in pedants corner, in the case of an elective monarchy the current title holder maintains the title unless a new election can take place. The singular lack of electorate somewhat precludes a new election.

Hmmm...if she was still a princess, she'd be the only old one Disney had. Perhaps generals can be old, but not princesses.

Fanghawk:

Dragonlayer:
A more serious point: does Leia have any military experience to justify such a high rank, or is it simply a replacement title?

Well, they promote smugglers and city managers to General, even if they're still technically recovering from carbonite freezing. Don't see why Leia couldn't get the job.

Also, they made Solo a general so he could lead a force of...how many? 12 rebels? If that's what a general does in that universe, Leia should be saluting Lieutenants.

The General part I'm not concerned about.

What does, worry me, however, is what specifically they plan to do with her decision to correct someone who doesn't refer to her by her new title.

Or, for that matter, why they didn't think they could just get away with calling her "Generial Organa" (does this mean she never married Han in this continuity?) and skip the part where they feel a need to correct anyone who even accidentally calls her Princess Leia.

Because if they do wind up feeling a need to turn it into a message the feels like an attack against anyone who calls her "Princess Leia" anymore, I may feel inclined to keep calling her Princess Leia specifically as a dig at the people who felt addressing the issue specifically was a thing that needed to happen.

Dragonlayer:

A more serious point: does Leia have any military experience to justify such a high rank, or is it simply a replacement title?

She had some measure of military leadership with the Rebellion during Empire and Jedi, given the amount of time between Jedi and VII I don't see it being out of the question that she'd have the kind of experience to qualify her as a general in some regard, especially depending on what the status of whatever the Rebellion has become this time around.

Dragonlayer:
She won't be wearing the traditional Alderaan gold bikini either: complete break with the past, this film!

A more serious point: does Leia have any military experience to justify such a high rank, or is it simply a replacement title?

Well, she helped Rieekan during the battle of Hoth, so she seems to know what she's doing. Moreso then Han or Lando, who apparently got promoted because of their devilish good looks and wicked smiles.

It makes more sense then being a princess, since her planet was, you know, destroyed.

albino boo:

Fanghawk:

albino boo:
Welcome to pedants corner. This is where, I the pedant, point out that military titles do not supersede royal titles. The correct title is General the Princess Leia. As in Admiral the Lord Nelson or Field Marshall the Duke of Wellington.

Except in the Star Wars universe, some royal titles are treated as political terms. Which is why Padmé went from Queen Amidala in Episode I to Senator Amidala in Episode II.

If you wish to be extra pedantic,and why wouldn't you in pedants corner, in the case of an elective monarchy the current title holder maintains the title unless a new election can take place. The singular lack of electorate somewhat precludes a new election.

That depends on Alderaan's legal procedures for term limits, which is difficult to verify (we can't check any pre-existing constitutions for obvious reasons).

However let's say the legalese means Leia could continue her term indefinitely in lieu of an election. She could still willingly abdicate her role and any title, right, and responsibilities associated with it - which from the sounds of this interview, she appears to have done. Even if Alderaan customs don't allow for such a procedure, the government is so undermanned at this point they'd have no ability to enforce it.

In that case, she wouldn't be General Princess Leia Organa. She would be General Leia Organa, OR General Leia Organa, Fugitive of Alderaan.

Since when does "Princess" or any other title of royalty not demand respect? And why can't princess be a badass title?

I'm just saying, I generally would rather be a princess than a general, especially in a fictional work. Then again, I guess as someone who isn't going to watch this movie, my opinion on Princess Politics doesn't matter.

RealRT:
Hooray for faux-feminism, I guess.

>Movie director makes a perfectly reasonable change to a character's title to reflect how she's changed over the last thirty-odd years

>Internet gets mad about feminism

Sounds about right.

Worgen:
Wait... I just realized that disney bought starwars and what that means. Leia is now a disney princess, I'm surprised they didnt change her title in movie to disney princess Leia.

Sadly because she is no longer a princess she no longer qualifies as a disney princess. AS for General.. that worries me. Generals are usually always evil o turn evil...

I always thought it was a bit weird they kept calling her princess in the film. I mean, her mother the Queen was dead so shouldn't she have inherited the role and been Queen Leia Organa? And if she wasn't the Queen because there was no Alderaan anymore then how does she still call herself Princess?

Also interesting that she's still calling herself Organa and not Skywalker or Solo as she sometimes did in the EU. If we're talking feminism then its nice she gets to keep a name of her own and not take one of the guys' ones

MonsterCrit:

Worgen:
Wait... I just realized that disney bought starwars and what that means. Leia is now a disney princess, I'm surprised they didnt change her title in movie to disney princess Leia.

Sadly because she is no longer a princess she no longer qualifies as a disney princess. AS for General.. that worries me. Generals are usually always evil o turn evil...

Only the young ones can be princesses, Leia is too old, the title of "Disney Princess" has an exasperation expiration date. [1]

Also Elsa is a queen (despite the insistence of Disney's marketing department at still referring to her as princess) and past Disney queens have been evil, but Elsa isn't, so I would hope they're trying to at least break some of the cliches.

Pallindromemordnillap:

Also interesting that she's still calling herself Organa and not Skywalker or Solo as she sometimes did in the EU. If we're talking feminism then its nice she gets to keep a name of her own and not take one of the guys' ones

Now this is strange to me, why more female married characters don't just hyphenate.

Leia Organa-Solo

[1] I know this is probably NOT the reasoning for it, I just couldn't resist the implication.

Brace yourselves for "Disney Princesses Reimagined as Military Leaders"

OT: The whole "princess" side of her title always felt more like a diplomatic cover for her contributions to the Rebel Alliance. Makes sense that there's no reason to hide behind that cover now with the fall of the Empire and the destruction of Alderaan, ain't fooling anybody anymore with a "diplomatic mission from Alderaan" after the first time. Plus she's a kickass character that deserves the title she's earned.

EyeReaper:
Since when does "Princess" or any other title of royalty not demand respect? And why can't princess be a badass title?

Since the majority of countries around the world abandoned Monarchy as a system of government. To get a royal title you need to perform the singular duty of being born. It's fundamental to the nature of the title that it conveys absolutely no respect at all.

I'm just going to say, "Um, that's cool, I guess."

Though a li'l part of me wonders if adoption of this title will stretch as far as the universe recognizing that generals don't personally take part in missions to, say, blow up shield generators on forest moons and end up getting shot in the shoulder. High-ranking office tending to involve this thing called delegation.

Probably not. I'm guessing we're going the Star Trek route where every dangerous mission must involve at least one officer whose death would scramble the chain of command.

Pallindromemordnillap:
I always thought it was a bit weird they kept calling her princess in the film. I mean, her mother the Queen was dead so shouldn't she have inherited the role and been Queen Leia Organa? And if she wasn't the Queen because there was no Alderaan anymore then how does she still call herself Princess?

Also interesting that she's still calling herself Organa and not Skywalker or Solo as she sometimes did in the EU. If we're talking feminism then its nice she gets to keep a name of her own and not take one of the guys' ones

To add to the pedantry already in this thread, I'd note that on Earth at-least it's traditional courtesy for deposed royalty to continue to be referred to as their highest royal title for the rest of their life. A possible explanation for this case then, we could speculate that Leia didn't claim the title of Queen because there's no state left to be monarch of, but she could continue to be known as her former title of Princess as a courtesy.

So...we aren't going to get Knight Organa/Solo? I was kind of hoping the movie would at least allow her to become a Jedi like the books did. Man, as excited as I am about this movie, it's going to be really hard for me to separate the Expand Universe from the films now.

Still, General Leia Organa does sound pretty cool. I can approve of this. And who knows? Maybe she carries a lightsaber too.

Sniper Team 4:
So...we aren't going to get Knight Organa/Solo? I was kind of hoping the movie would at least allow her to become a Jedi like the books did. Man, as excited as I am about this movie, it's going to be really hard for me to separate the Expand Universe from the films now.

Still, General Leia Organa does sound pretty cool. I can approve of this. And who knows? Maybe she carries a lightsaber too.

Jedi General Leia Organa?

That sounds pretty cool.

Fanghawk:

albino boo:
Welcome to pedants corner. This is where, I the pedant, point out that military titles do not supersede royal titles. The correct title is General the Princess Leia. As in Admiral the Lord Nelson or Field Marshall the Duke of Wellington.

Except in the Star Wars universe, some royal titles are treated as political terms. Which is why Padmé went from Queen Amidala in Episode I to Senator Amidala in Episode II.

It's possibly also worth noting that her title of Princess may well be, in light of the destruction of Alderaan as well as the reveals concerning her actual parentage, essentially obsolete/something she no longer wishes to be addressed as.

Space Jawa:
The General part I'm not concerned about.

What does, worry me, however, is what specifically they plan to do with her decision to correct someone who doesn't refer to her by her new title.

Or, for that matter, why they didn't think they could just get away with calling her "Generial Organa" (does this mean she never married Han in this continuity?) and skip the part where they feel a need to correct anyone who even accidentally calls her Princess Leia.

Because if they do wind up feeling a need to turn it into a message the feels like an attack against anyone who calls her "Princess Leia" anymore, I may feel inclined to keep calling her Princess Leia specifically as a dig at the people who felt addressing the issue specifically was a thing that needed to happen.

Let's face it: the person who is going to call her "Princess" will be Han. The way he used it in the original trilogy was always as an insult, "Princess" or "Your Highnessness" or "Your Worshipfulness", so if he were to do so again, she'd be entirely in the right to slap him down.

Oh, god there are so many ways to say Leia's name now.
She's both general and princess (maybe Queen) and Skywalker, Organa, and (possibly) Solo
Can we all agree to call her by her full name and title

General the Princess Leia Organa-Skywalker-Solo, Queen of the Alderaan asteroid belt... First of her name

Wait Padme never changed her name from Amidala, I think I can fit it in somewhere...

OT: I like the new title, she's probably one of the eldest member of the rebellion left alive and been apart of it since she was a young girl, if force unleashed is still canon. It's a good fit for her

The Leia I know is Leia Organa Solo, General, Mother, Chief of State of the New Republic, and Jedi. She was easily one of the biggest bad asses of the EU (All time Biggest being her Daughter). It's kind of cute that Disney is trying to emulate that.

Maphysto:

RealRT:
Hooray for faux-feminism, I guess.

>Movie director makes a perfectly reasonable change to a character's title to reflect how she's changed over the last thirty-odd years

>Internet gets mad about feminism

Sounds about right.

>Movie director makes a perfectly reasonable change to a character's title to reflect how she's changed over the last thirty-odd years, but is a downgrade from her position in the destroyed canon.

>Directory promotes the change heavily to show how progressive the movie is

>Media sources swallow the hook and bash the Princess title, even though she was 'Princess' Leia was a kick ass female Icon.

>Internet gets mad about feminism

Sounds about right.

Oh, forgot where hipsters misinterpret what the anger is really about. Be sure to throw that in at the end there.

Seriously, it's not like it's the first time either. There was the whole 'first female villain' lie a couple weeks ago too. No one would care if the marketing wasn't making it clear that it's being done for advertising purposes.

I know what's going on here! Disney Exec 1: "Isn't Leia a Princess?" Disney Exec 2: "Yeah but how can we sell Carrie Fisher as a Disney Princess to little girls who are better at getting their parents to spend money on them?" Disney Exec 1: "We can't! It's Carrie Fisher for god's sake!" Disney Exec 3: "Strip the title!" All Disney Execs in unison: "Strip the title!" JJ Abarams: "I feel a disturbance in the force." Carrie Fisher: "I suddenly feel less important."

Well it was kinda moot to call her princess after Ep 4 since the planet she was princess on was destroyed.

Also shouldn't she be a Jedi herself at this point? Vader implied that she might be force trainable at the end of Ep 6 unless that was just a pure taunt to bring out Luke's anger.

Space Jawa:
TOr, for that matter, why they didn't think they could just get away with calling her "Generial Organa" (does this mean she never married Han in this continuity?)

Could very well be. Even if they did marry it was under different circumstances than in the Extended Universe.

That said, Leia being royalty and Han not Leia still would've kept her name.

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