Watch: Independence Day: Resurgence First Official Trailer

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Fdzzaigl:

undeadsuitor:
Is Will Smith in it? Cause if not...

Happy he isn't in it. Especially happy that his kids aren't in there too.

I've got nothing against the kids, but if they wonna learn how to act, they should really do it outside of daddy's mantle of care imo.

Anyway, this does seem interesting. Popcorn material for sure, but it also looks like the kind of popcorn I like :)

OH GOD

I had forgotten about his son. And you're right, his son would probably be shoe-horned in their as well. Maybe we dodged a bullet after all.

undeadsuitor:

Fdzzaigl:

undeadsuitor:
Is Will Smith in it? Cause if not...

Happy he isn't in it. Especially happy that his kids aren't in there too.

I've got nothing against the kids, but if they wonna learn how to act, they should really do it outside of daddy's mantle of care imo.

Anyway, this does seem interesting. Popcorn material for sure, but it also looks like the kind of popcorn I like :)

OH GOD

I had forgotten about his son. And you're right, his son would probably be shoe-horned in their as well. Maybe we dodged a bullet after all.

I have feeling though, that the young costar that is seen with Jeff multiple times, is possibly Will's character's son. And it wouldn't be that unusual actually. It's pretty common for members of a family to all serve in the military, generationaly. The highest I've seen in my office is 5 generations of sons all joined the military, and all joined the same branch of service. And all had the same name, which made searching for records a real pain in the ass, let me tell you. So while I am totally just theorizing about the origin of the young costar, it would't surprise me, or be that unfeasible for him to have decided to join the Air Force, after his Hero Dad literally helped save the planet from an alien invasion.

Hawki:
Sigh...was anyone actually asking for this? Did anyone look at the end of ID1 and say "you know what? This needs a sequel!"

Don't lie to us Jeff, you never "knew they were coming back." And, well, all I can say this looks "bigger." Heck, they even say as much in the trailer. But I have to ask, you have a society with 20 years of time to study advanced tech, to try and live together in a post-invasion world in a united Earth without a common enemy, to ponder the questions of the realization that mankind isn't alone in the universe and...yeah, all I'm seeing is an excuse for more action and little else.

Pass. :(

Judging by the comment section, a ton of people were.

I'm not outraged by the thought of a sequel, necessarily. The original film was pretty goofy, after all. If the aliens wanted resources, there are plenty of uninhabited planets that have them. Plus, if they can master space travel, they should be able to produce their own renewable energy. Invading would actually be a pretty stupid idea. And, if they did invade, a computer virus couldn't stop them. And even if it did, the alien weapons and armor should be capable of destroying human planes even without shields. Independence Day was always a summer action movie at heart.

My issue is that the original still had heart. It had a soul, and I liked the characters in it. This seems to be lacking that. It also looks less real then the original, despite taking place over 15 years later. Now it looks like a completely generic sci-fi action movie. If you took out the actors, I couldn't tell if this was transformers, battleship, or G.I. Joe. I'm tired of every movie looking the same, it's so boring. Something you could never accuse the original of. It helps that, despite being an action movie, the original was mostly focused on the civilians. This doesn't seem to be the case, and I've already spotted generic white soldier protagonist that we get in every action movie nowadays. Will Smith had personality, that's why his character worked. He was a person first and a soldier second. This guy is going to as boring as soggy toast, I can already tell.

No, I'll be avoiding this movie I think.

Happyninja42:

undeadsuitor:

Fdzzaigl:

Happy he isn't in it. Especially happy that his kids aren't in there too.

I've got nothing against the kids, but if they wonna learn how to act, they should really do it outside of daddy's mantle of care imo.

Anyway, this does seem interesting. Popcorn material for sure, but it also looks like the kind of popcorn I like :)

OH GOD

I had forgotten about his son. And you're right, his son would probably be shoe-horned in their as well. Maybe we dodged a bullet after all.

I have feeling though, that the young costar that is seen with Jeff multiple times, is possibly Will's character's son. And it wouldn't be that unusual actually. It's pretty common for members of a family to all serve in the military, generationaly. The highest I've seen in my office is 5 generations of sons all joined the military, and all joined the same branch of service. And all had the same name, which made searching for records a real pain in the ass, let me tell you. So while I am totally just theorizing about the origin of the young costar, it would't surprise me, or be that unfeasible for him to have decided to join the Air Force, after his Hero Dad literally helped save the planet from an alien invasion.

Oh yeah, I had figured the black guy in the trailer had to be related, since it's a movie and all. Adding the (former) presidents daughter into the mix and it's kind of cute that both the named little kids from the first movie followed their parents footsteps and became badass space jet fighter pilots.

Also, looked it up and it appears that Hiller (smiths character from the first one) died in a accident as a test pilot for those nifty reverse engineered fighter jets. Which...makes sense as a reason for him to be written out.

Honestly, it's shaping up to look like an entertaining movie.

I was a bit surprised/disappointed that they totally repurposed Bill Pullman's great presidential speech from the first one. We will "again" be fighting ... and the rest is identical, sans the static at the very end, which was a nice touch.

My thoughts were this looked a lot more sci-fi that the original, with a distinct XCOM feel to it. Should be interesting.

kajinking:
Oh boy...Someone call Xcom. We're going to be needing them.

John Keefer:
My thoughts were this looked a lot more sci-fi that the original, with a distinct XCOM feel to it. Should be interesting.

Oh, sorry. I thought you guys got the memo. Turns out XCOM was defeated by the aliens / lore / meta-game developer B.S. Now they're hiding in the shadows with their worn-out gear and red-shirt wearing rookies. They're still fighting our alien oppressors, but its the equivalent of a kid throwing pebbles at a grizzly bear.

As for the trailer, despite the numerous modern cinema cliches (booming base note, "dark and sinister" echo effect over the Presidents voice) it still had enough to hook me. Here's hoping it still has that cheesy charisma that the original had.

This may be my '90s nostalgia kicking in but this actually looks like it could be good.

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HOLY SHIT!, my guilty pleasure is FINALLY getting a sequel! :D:D:D:D:D

Karadalis:
Oh oh! US Propaganda 2.0?

Can the unofficial theme song be AMERICA FUCK YEAH! ? That would be awesome.

No seriously.. independence day back in the day was amazing for its special effects... however it hasnt aged well. The president literally leading the free world against an alien invasion in his own personal fighter plane? Some tech nerd actually be able to hack into ALIEN machinery by using his primitive laptop and able to upload a "virus" into their system? Guess the aliens where using an illegal unupdated copy of windows space edition... not that this highly intelligent space traveling species was able to identify an unscheduled fighter returning to their mothership without orders and they simply open the front door without any questions asked... nope. The story is absolute garbage... the action scenes where good.. but the story? ho boy was it garbage.

Theres suspension of disbelief and then there is being braindead.

From what I understand the "reason" it worked was because we used their technology to make our own computers back in the day, so our computers and theirs were compatible because of it. They also didn't have any anti cyber warfare capabilities because their species is a hive mind and they never had any need for it. Someone told me that was the canonical reason why it worked, dunno if it's true or not.

undeadsuitor:

Also, looked it up and it appears that Hiller (smiths character from the first one) died in a accident as a test pilot for those nifty reverse engineered fighter jets. Which...makes sense as a reason for him to be written out.

True, but personally I was hoping they'd go with lung cancer.

John Keefer:
I was a bit surprised/disappointed that they totally repurposed Bill Pullman's great presidential speech from the first one. We will "again" be fighting ... and the rest is identical, sans the static at the very end, which was a nice touch.

My thoughts were this looked a lot more sci-fi that the original, with a distinct XCOM feel to it. Should be interesting.

Why were you disappointed with the repurposed speech? I thought it was good to set the more ominous tone, what with it being cut off at the end, as if the humans had lost. But at the same time, reminding us of the defiant nature of the first one.

I thought it was perfect.

Kajin:

Karadalis:
Oh oh! US Propaganda 2.0?

Can the unofficial theme song be AMERICA FUCK YEAH! ? That would be awesome.

No seriously.. independence day back in the day was amazing for its special effects... however it hasnt aged well. The president literally leading the free world against an alien invasion in his own personal fighter plane? Some tech nerd actually be able to hack into ALIEN machinery by using his primitive laptop and able to upload a "virus" into their system? Guess the aliens where using an illegal unupdated copy of windows space edition... not that this highly intelligent space traveling species was able to identify an unscheduled fighter returning to their mothership without orders and they simply open the front door without any questions asked... nope. The story is absolute garbage... the action scenes where good.. but the story? ho boy was it garbage.

Theres suspension of disbelief and then there is being braindead.

From what I understand the "reason" it worked was because we used their technology to make our own computers back in the day, so our computers and theirs were compatible because of it. They also didn't have any anti cyber warfare capabilities because their species is a hive mind and they never had any need for it. Someone told me that was the canonical reason why it worked, dunno if it's true or not.

Yep, Hivemind, previously reverse engineered microchips, and Jeff Goldblum's character using the code he discovered when he found the countdown timer mixed with the software stuff that Area 51 had recovered from their downed craft.

Honestly, it's one of the least outlandish things in the movie.

Independence Day is my guilty love.

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY STARSHIP TROOPERS SEQUEL?!?! And I don't mean the animation and failed whatever.

Also, I swear to God, Roland, if this movie is good, I will then give Stargate a bit more hope. DONT FUCK UP!!

P-89 Scorpion:

The USA has been working on the F-35 for 20 years and it's can't safely go over 400mph yet and that's without the rebuilding necessary for the loss of all the infrastructure lost in the last film.

Don't forget it cost a Trillion dollars so far as well...

...and that's the FIGHTER, not the supposed rebuilding from the first film.

As for the actual film?

Meh. The 90's were so much more whimsical and fun, things felt so much better and nicer. Now...ungh, it's just gonna feel like some old throwback film. And let's remember, that a rather sizable portion of the movie's target demographic weren't even ALIVE when the first one came out, let alone saw it on anything other than VHS at home.

I know in recent years it's kinda become the popular thing to bash Independence Day, but as an 8 year old kid I fuckin' loved that movie. It had a great cast, it had some sweet air battles, and it was like a big budget throw-back to the old 50's SciFi movies I watched all the time with my dad. When it came out on VHS I actually had to buy a second copy, because I wore out the first one.

I don't expect this movie to be as good as the first, or, y'know... good in general. I just hope it's fun.

Scarim Coral:
Lastly, it's another sign that Hollywood are running out of ideas. I mean what's next? A sequel to War of the Worlds?

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I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.

Parasondox:

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY STARSHIP TROOPERS SEQUEL?!?! And I don't mean the animation and failed whatever.

Well, there WHERE two live action sequels.

Now granted for whatever reason they where a 7 million dollar and 9 million dollar direct-to-DVD movie, but they're movies nonetheless.

Also, I swear to God, Roland, if this movie is good, I will then give Stargate a bit more hope. DONT FUCK UP!!

There is no hope for that project. He openly despises the thing which turned a forgotten, generic action movie no one cares about into a beloved franchise. The best case scenario would be a good movie that's a terrible Stargate movie, and even then he hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt that that will occur.

Zontar:

Parasondox:

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY STARSHIP TROOPERS SEQUEL?!?! And I don't mean the animation and failed whatever.

Well, there WHERE two live action sequels.

Now granted for whatever reason they where a 7 million dollar and 9 million dollar direct-to-DVD movie, but they're movies nonetheless.

Also, I swear to God, Roland, if this movie is good, I will then give Stargate a bit more hope. DONT FUCK UP!!

There is no hope for that project. He openly despises the thing which turned a forgotten, generic action movie no one cares about into a beloved franchise. The best case scenario would be a good movie that's a terrible Stargate movie, and even then he hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt that that will occur.

Titanic had a straight-to-DVD sequel and that went straight to the discount 3 movies for a dollar deal. Still doesn't count as a movie.

Also, I know he does which makes me sad. He hated the TV series despite the fact that it continues his story and it was great and brought me to love the series. Now he's just doing a Disney and making them into the non canon expanded universe kind of thing.

Parasondox:

Titanic had a straight-to-DVD sequel and that went straight to the discount 3 movies for a dollar deal. Still doesn't count as a movie.

That wasn't a sequel, that was an Asylum movie about the "Titanic II".

Also, I know he does which makes me sad. He hated the TV series despite the fact that it continues his story and it was great and brought me to love the series. Now he's just doing a Disney and making them into the non canon expanded universe kind of thing.

Actually that's a terrible example. It's more like taking the Original Trilogy and declaring THAT non-canon while saying the original draft for New Hope is now what he's using as the basis.

Zontar:

Parasondox:

Titanic had a straight-to-DVD sequel and that went straight to the discount 3 movies for a dollar deal. Still doesn't count as a movie.

That wasn't a sequel, that was an Asylum movie about the "Titanic II".

Also, I know he does which makes me sad. He hated the TV series despite the fact that it continues his story and it was great and brought me to love the series. Now he's just doing a Disney and making them into the non canon expanded universe kind of thing.

Actually that's a terrible example. It's more like taking the Original Trilogy and declaring THAT non-canon while saying the original draft for New Hope is now what he's using as the basis.

So what you are saying is, Stargate is screwed?

Damn you HOLLYWOOD!!!

GARforGunman:

kajinking:
Oh boy...Someone call Xcom. We're going to be needing them.

John Keefer:
My thoughts were this looked a lot more sci-fi that the original, with a distinct XCOM feel to it. Should be interesting.

Oh, sorry. I thought you guys got the memo. Turns out XCOM was defeated by the aliens / lore / meta-game developer B.S. Now they're hiding in the shadows with their worn-out gear and red-shirt wearing rookies. They're still fighting our alien oppressors, but its the equivalent of a kid throwing pebbles at a grizzly bear.

As for the trailer, despite the numerous modern cinema cliches (booming base note, "dark and sinister" echo effect over the Presidents voice) it still had enough to hook me. Here's hoping it still has that cheesy charisma that the original had.

Oh I know. Still the idea of using Reverse engineered Alien Tech to fight a hopeless battle just makes me think XCOM.

Also, in all fairness, based on the trailer I'd say the Humans in the second movie aren't much better off compared to XCOM in the second game.

undeadsuitor:
Is Will Smith in it? Cause if not...

Agreed! His absence stuck out like a sour thumb to me....

Ugh, the exact same speech from the original in the trailer. Nothing quite says "We're trying to sell this on pure nostalgia" like using audio bits from the prequel in the trailer for the sequel.

For fuck sake, let sleeping dogs lie for once in your life Hollywood. ID is a great movie, it doesn't need a sequel.

Parasondox:

Zontar:

Parasondox:

Titanic had a straight-to-DVD sequel and that went straight to the discount 3 movies for a dollar deal. Still doesn't count as a movie.

That wasn't a sequel, that was an Asylum movie about the "Titanic II".

Also, I know he does which makes me sad. He hated the TV series despite the fact that it continues his story and it was great and brought me to love the series. Now he's just doing a Disney and making them into the non canon expanded universe kind of thing.

Actually that's a terrible example. It's more like taking the Original Trilogy and declaring THAT non-canon while saying the original draft for New Hope is now what he's using as the basis.

So what you are saying is, Stargate is screwed?

Damn you HOLLYWOOD!!!

Only his movie, if he does what he intends to - if someone else comes and says "alright, the two series count, the half-hearted soap-opera called Universe didn't happen, we're making a new series set about 5 years after SG-1 and Atlantis" or something, that could work.

kajinking:
Oh boy...Someone call Xcom. We're going to be needing them.

Frankly, I really hope ID4:2 is going to be a movie version of X-COM, or something close to it.

WOW! Some serious hate for that speech I see. Man... How often do we all still hear the famous speech after the attack on Pearl Harbour? Seriously, how often is that played? You've got to not watch TV for whole months at a time not to at least see a tiny bit in an add for this or that documentary or this or that veterans fund/foundation. This is 2015, pearl harbour was a 'long' time ago, particularly by contrast to the events of ID4:1 to ID4:2, 20 years difference or so I think. With that said, we'd be a weird new race of people not to be playing that speech.

It's pretty damn easy to fuck up a franchise, especially one with depth and lore to it... What's wonderful about this series is there really isn't much of either! It's a feel good, blow up the bad guys, light show extravaganza with some moments of tension and light moments of romance... It's perfect Hollywood fluff most people can at least sit through with out fidgeting. I'm excited about this... unlike Star Trek.

Personally of all the unrealistic things in this series, the return of the aliens is right up there as 'unrealistic.' If their a hive mind I'm surprised any other hive doesn't view the destruction of those ships as both a general warning signal not to approach Sol Epsilon... and good news, less competition for our desired resources! I'm somewhat surprised this movie isn't sent several hundred years in the future following a punitive expedition to large bases of alien operation, worlds, zero g ship yard and foundries... Maybe even new friends - other aliens - who are pleased that ship didn't get to move on to it's next stop, their world.

So you sort of have to view this as very light fun times. And even without Will Smith I have high hopes. What would they have done with him anyway? It's been 20 years! The man's a fighter pilot, not a strategic officer, and after 20 years he probably isn't a combat pilot. Killing him off testing craft between movies sounds about as good as you could hope for, short of grizzled and grounded squadron commander, which would just have been trite and at worst maybe a little disheartening.

Tuesday Night Fever:
I know in recent years it's kinda become the popular thing to bash Independence Day, but as an 8 year old kid I fuckin' loved that movie. It had a great cast, it had some sweet air battles, and it was like a big budget throw-back to the old 50's SciFi movies I watched all the time with my dad. When it came out on VHS I actually had to buy a second copy, because I wore out the first one.

I don't expect this movie to be as good as the first, or, y'know... good in general. I just hope it's fun.

Scarim Coral:
Lastly, it's another sign that Hollywood are running out of ideas. I mean what's next? A sequel to War of the Worlds?

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I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.

Heh I didn't know about that one but I do know about the animated one (based more on the book I think cos of the setting).

I seen bits of it but the anime eyes put me off from trying to watch it properly.

Hawki:
Sigh...was anyone actually asking for this? Did anyone look at the end of ID1 and say "you know what? This needs a sequel!"

I'm sure that at the time that there were some. I'm sure someone thought they should make a sequel to Police Academy 7: Mission to Moscow. People are so stupid.

The question is who the hell is asking for this now? There are latter-day sequels and then there's making the first sequel twenty years later. This doesn't happen very often. Partially because movies become franchises as they milk every penny they can out of an IP. If the movie didn't get a sequel shortly after the initial film, it's unlikely to now. Unless the film in question has some kind of cult following, like Tron.

I do not believe Independence Day has that kind of cult following. It was a big wow popcorn movie when it came out, and while I will allow there are still some people out there who like the movie and may even pop their VHS copy into their VCRs every once in a while to watch it, but otherwise it has been blissfully forgotten by the public at large. I suspect that anyone going to high school now is unlikely to have heard of it. It had made a big splash and then went away because it was ultimately forgettable, which is not the sign of a rock solid IP.

In fact, as I was writing this I had almost called the movie Stargate because I had forgotten which forgettable, serviceable but still somewhat disappointing 90's sci-fi film we were talking about. I am sure that Stargate was from the same director/producer team is just a coincidence.

Truth be told, I really don't go to the theater much these days. So me skipping this shit carries about as much weight as a gay guy assuring you he's not making the moves on your lady. Of course he isn't. He's not into that. I'm not going to bother with the next Star Wars or Star Trek movies, either, and I would have skipped the last couple installments of those if it were for family members dragging me to see it or popping in the DVD despite my protests. I just find the whole business depressing.

What business? Why the movie business, of course. BOOSH.

See, this has happened before, as a former content provider has already laid out in convenient video form.

So, what was happening at the time described in that video is Hollywood was desperate. Their reliable money makers were not making any money and they let crap like Myra Breckenridge get made in the hopes that maybe this one will make money.

We are in that state now as movie theaters compete with video streaming, people having home theater set-ups that put many theater to shame, DVD and Blu-ray-- which is itself under threat from the aforementioned streaming, etc. as well as competition with other new media, such as, well, video games. Movie companies do not know how to make a reliable profit anymore and what we're witnessing now is the kind of failing about of a beheaded chicken. That's why they keep dredging up IP that many had forgotten. Who the hell was sill clamoring for an Independence Day sequel? Or a Jem and the Holograms movie? Or another fucking Vacation movie?

It may seem like a kind of golden age to some as IPs that would never have gotten a movie are getting a movie now. But it's a double edged sword as the movies tend to not be very good or at least changed to the point that it's hard to understand why they purchased the movie rights to the IP in the first place.

Thing is, I don't know how this is going to shake out. It could mean the end of movie theaters altogether with the business restructured for streaming. Regal theater has be showing all kinds of not movies, like concert footage, to supplement their business as the films just aren't doing it anymore.

So, basically, I cannot and will not get excited about an Independence Day sequel and do not think anyone else should, either. No one who loves movies at any rate. The existence of this film is the symptom of a terminal disease that is affecting the industry at this point with little hope for recovery. At least Jeff Goldblum got a paycheck, I suppose.

I'm pretty sure this will shake out like Jurrasic World. Not as good as the original, but serviceable. I don't mind the absence of Will Smith but I'd sell my ass for them to get Randy Quaid.

Either way, I'll watch it for the Goldblum.

"So this time, we get together an even bigger fleet, and-"

"Ahem. Sir, can I have a word?"

"What is it, Lieutenant?"

"Our plan- our mission statement, as it were- is simply to wipe out all human life on the planet. Right?"

"Untethered, motivationless evil. Yep."

"So, here's what I'm thinking. We quietly abduct a few dozen human samples; apparently this sort of thing has been happening for decades with no one the wiser. We use our superior technology to whip up a really nasty disease that kills humans but doesn't mingle with our biology. We release a few of those samples, infected with that disease, back on Earth, and then we wait a year or so."

"But I want to kill the humans myself! Now!"

"We've already waited twenty years..."

"Now! With big lasers! And explosions! And a really expensive ship the size of a continent!"

"I'm guessing that copy of the human entertainment called 'Star Wars' I put on your desk is still gathering dust."

"This time, we will crush them!"

"Please, just tell me that this time the mothership isn't Wi-Fi enabled."

Cycloptomese:
I'm pretty sure this will shake out like Jurrasic World. Not as good as the original, but serviceable. I don't mind the absence of Will Smith but I'd sell my ass for them to get Randy Quaid.

Either way, I'll watch it for the Goldblum.

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That would be a hellofa twist

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