Fire Emblem Fates Cuts Petting From English Version

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Fire Emblem Fates Cuts Petting From English Version

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Fire Emblem Fates' English localization will lack the ability to "pet" your teammates using the 3DS's touchscreen.

Recently, Nintendo announced that a controversial scene in Fire Emblem Fates featuring what some perceived as "gay conversion therapy", was being removed from the western release of the game. Some applauded Nintendo for its decision, while others lamented it, as they wanted to play the game in its original, un-altered form. Well for those of you in the latter camp, I'm afraid I have some bad news, as Nintendo has just announced another feature being cut from the English release: character petting.

In the Japanese version of the game, players can "stroke" characters using the 3DS's touch screen, causing some of them to react with rather suggestive dialogue. It was used as a way to improve your relationship with various characters, in order to mimic the physical contact involved in real-world relationship building.

However, in what is no doubt an effort to avoid any kind of controversy, Nintendo has firmly told Kotaku "Yes, that is the case [that petting isn't in the English version]. You might have heard somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan."

When asked about any further localization changes, the Nintendo representative declined to answer, saying it didn't want to spoil specifics, but stating that changes in localization are very common among all of Nintendo's games.

Fire Emblem Fates's English version releases for 3DS on February 19, in the form of two separate versions: Birthright and Conquest, with a third, Revelation, coming March 10

Source: Kotaku

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Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

Silentpony:

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan?

I get where they're coming from (the skinship thing isn't something the majority of their audience is gonna get), but this part was a bit funnier. They could have gotten some great dialogue out of this!

erttheking:
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Probably enough to warrant the game not being released. Some games are irreparably Japanese.

Silentpony:

erttheking:
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Probably enough to warrant the game not being released. Some games are irreparably Japanese.

Man, you're really selling the game short. I have a low opinion of Japanese only tropes and even I think these two were the only tropes that wouldn't really work. As in people just plain wouldn't get.

"Source: Kotaku"

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Don't get me wrong, I somewhat expected this feature being cut. It isn't anything too important (for me, at least, I can see why others would miss it), and I couldn't imagine myself doing it without feeling awkward. But on the other side... Kotaku. I'm not exactly the kind who trusts them any more.

So, yeah, I'm sure I'll see if this is right when I get my hands on the actual game, or if it's officially confirmed (unless it already has, and I'm just blind). Either way, I'm sure I'll enjoy the game... unless they decide to cut out even more content.

EDIT: From another comment that said this, why can't we have a age barrier or a "mature themes" option?
It would be better to give player control to remove it themselves.

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Thing is...you could say that about literally any side feature in a game, no matter how major or minor.

Do you REALLY need to be able to craft your own potions in Skyrim? Or how about the ability to mod your weapons in Far Cry? Would anyone miss that? Its hardly a major thing "holding the game together" as you put it. Or what about the ability to build SHIVs in XCOM? Its not like you can't easily do without them; its not really a core, necessary feature.

Ultimately taking stuff out is still taking stuff out at the end of the day. And as a Japanese game primarily developed for a Japanese audience its frankly weird to expect it to not have things that don't work too well outside Japan (and as such people have the option to just...not buy it if they don't like it). For exactly the same reason I wouldn't really expect most Americans to really appreciate real Haggis or something; its simply not something they're used to.

(I appreciate that example might have seem to have come out of nowhere but...I had Haggis for dinner and I'm still thinking about how nice it was since I'd not had it in ages. >_>)

Personally I'm starting to wonder as to what else they might strip out in the name of 'localisation'. Its a small thing to start with but the question is will it actually end there.

Before people start going on about how this game is just too super Japanese, I'd like to point out Awakening sold well everywhere, not just in Japan, and that it had the best sales of any Fire Emblem in virtually all regions. Fates, spiritual successor that it is, is unlikely to be the kind of game that only appeals to the Japanese audience and I think its fair to argue that the Japanese audience was not the only audience IS had in mind when it was made.

erttheking:

Silentpony:

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan?

I'd say the marrying your sister/brother but Game of Thrones is a thing, so... :P

Silentpony:

Probably enough to warrant the game not being released. Some games are irreparably Japanese.

I somehow doubt this game is even close to that. Especially since this sort of alteration is not even remotely close to new. It's only become a big thing of late because of this fixation on outrage culture in gaming, where if we lose half a second of teen panty shots, then the terrorists have won.

Odds are pretty good you'd have to have been told about the differences to have noticed. Which until a year or two ago was actually the status quo--only obsessives and trivia buffs really knew or cared.

xaszatm:

erttheking:

Silentpony:

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan?

I'd say the marrying your sister/brother but Game of Thrones is a thing, so... :P

Wait what? *Googles* Oh...WHAT!?

Just...just tell me something. Is this going to be like Game of Thrones where they treat it as fairly messed up? Or is it going to make it uber cutesy the way Fire Emblem has a tendency to do? Because if it's the later I think I have a date with a Jacuzzi filled with brain bleach.

Lightspeaker:

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

Thing is...you could say that about literally any side feature in a game, no matter how major or minor.

Do you REALLY need to be able to craft your own potions in Skyrim? Or how about the ability to mod your weapons in Far Cry? Would anyone miss that? Its hardly a major thing "holding the game together" as you put it. Or what about the ability to build SHIVs in XCOM? Its not like you can't easily do without them; its not really a core, necessary feature.

Ultimately taking stuff out is still taking stuff out at the end of the day. And as a Japanese game primarily developed for a Japanese audience its frankly weird to expect it to not have things that don't work too well outside Japan (and as such people have the option to just...not buy it if they don't like it). For exactly the same reason I wouldn't really expect most Americans to really appreciate real Haggis or something; its simply not something they're used to.

(I appreciate that example might have seem to have come out of nowhere but...I had Haggis for dinner and I'm still thinking about how nice it was since I'd not had it in ages. >_>)

Personally I'm starting to wonder as to what else they might strip out in the name of 'localisation'. Its a small thing to start with but the question is will it actually end there.

But those actually added something to the game that people looked forward to. Is there anyone on this website that was actually looking forward to this? At all? A single person? Also weapon customization isn't really comparable to skinshipping because weapon customization is inherently rooted in any country's culture to the point of being nonexistant outside of it.

I don't see how its weird, I've got plenty of games from Japan and I never had a single one that involved skinshipping. Some things just don't work in other cultures. I mean there's having the cultural gap to create an interesting setting, and then there's the cultural gap where things just don't make any sense and the audience is confused.

"Where will it end?" This is the second time someone has been saying they're concerned more features will be cut. What are you actually concerned about being cut out? Because the only things cut out are things that just plain wouldn't work in America. Hell, these things probably would've been cut out anyway and we're just getting the blow by blow thanks to sensationalist media.

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

I can't believe people are seriously justifying the removal of an entire part of the game, when has that EVER been ok?

Steven Bogos:

In the Japanese version of the game, players can "stroke" characters using the 3DS's touch screen, causing some of them to react with rather suggestive dialogue. It was used as a way to improve your relationship with various characters, in order to mimic the physical contact involved in real-world relationship building.

So, will the game be tweaked to adjust for the lack of this feature or will the building relationships mechanic be more difficult in other regions as a result?

Edit: If building relationships was made more grindy than previous games as a result of having a separate way to increase it then that would be rather unfortunate if not adjusted for it's loss.

Bix96:

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

I can't believe people are seriously justifying the removal of an entire part of the game, when has that EVER been ok?

Always.
Even moreso when its stupid stuff that ads pretty much nothing.

Bix96:

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

I can't believe people are seriously justifying the removal of an entire part of the game, when has that EVER been ok?

I guess you could call a tiny little mini-game an "Entire part of a game" but just barely. As for it being ok, well, seriously what are we losing because of this? I mean XCOM 2 is taking out the air battles that the last one has and no one is upset over that.

erttheking:

Bix96:

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

I can't believe people are seriously justifying the removal of an entire part of the game, when has that EVER been ok?

I guess you could call a tiny little mini-game an "Entire part of a game" but just barely. As for it being ok, well, seriously what are we losing because of this? I mean XCOM 2 is taking out the air battles that the last one has and no one is upset over that.

If XCOM 2 came out in Europe with air battles but America's version was cut people most definitely be upset.

"Nintendo has also announced plans for future editing to ensure a successful Western release: the use of bladed weapons such as swords and daggers will be removed, as it is feared that the blatantly phallic imagery that arises from stabbing male and female characters could be interpreted as promoting sexualized violence against homosexuals and women. Additionally, all customization options in the home base building mechanics will be replaced with civil rights seminars, to ensure players understand that providing potions to characters without consent is never ok. Nintendo is confident these changes will provide both lucrative sales and an important message for Western markets."

So I just looked up what this actually is, and ...


Effeminate, anime guy bordering on androgynous; fox tail and ears; weird fan-service mini game; yep, this is about as Japanese as it gets. I can sort of see why this type of thing isn't expected to fly with Western audiences, but then again, what's the overlap between people who are interested in this game and those who have a low tolerance for Japanese weirdness?

erttheking:

xaszatm:

erttheking:

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan?

I'd say the marrying your sister/brother but Game of Thrones is a thing, so... :P

Wait what? *Googles* Oh...WHAT!?

Just...just tell me something. Is this going to be like Game of Thrones where they treat it as fairly messed up? Or is it going to make it uber cutesy the way Fire Emblem has a tendency to do? Because if it's the later I think I have a date with a Jacuzzi filled with brain bleach.

I'm hardily the first person to make this rather stale observation, but isn't it strange that games where you can drag an innocent old lady out of her car and slit her throat, our douse a dog in petrol and set it on fire in front of the owner, is seen as acceptable content by Western gamers, but ploughing your sibling is just too far.
As fun as it is to laugh at Japan and their weirdly sexual media, I can't help but recognize that the content of our media depicts far worse atrocities than the strange sexual acts of Japanese media.

Bix96:

erttheking:

Bix96:
I can't believe people are seriously justifying the removal of an entire part of the game, when has that EVER been ok?

I guess you could call a tiny little mini-game an "Entire part of a game" but just barely. As for it being ok, well, seriously what are we losing because of this? I mean XCOM 2 is taking out the air battles that the last one has and no one is upset over that.

If XCOM 2 came out in Europe with air battles but America's version was cut people most definitely be upset.

I doubt it, considering how underwhelming they were.

Y'know, the more and more I hear about this game, the more I'm starting to worry that I'm not gonna be getting the dating sim I was promised upon release.

That sucks....

I wasn't going to buy the game for financial reasons, but now I have a moderate ethical concern as well. Don't cut the game up with features in different reasons. I'm a fucking adult; I can decide if the game is too Japanese for myself.

FirstNameLastName:

I'm hardily the first person to make this rather stale observation, but isn't it strange that games where you can drag an innocent old lady out of her car and slit her throat, our douse a dog in petrol and set it on fire in front of the owner, is seen as acceptable content by Western gamers, but ploughing your sibling is just too.
As fun as it is to laugh at Japan and their weirdly sexual media, I can't help but recognize that the content of our media depicts far worse atrocities than the strange sexual acts of Japanese media.

Yeah except most games don't portray slitting the throat of old women as something cute and adorable. My concerns are the game portraying the incest in the typical cutesy manner that all Fire Emblem romances are portrayed as. When Jaimie and Cersei were a couple of Game of Thrones, it was loving (Until Cersei went bananas) but it was still very dysfunctional. I overplayed my reaction but I'm really more annoyed than anything else. I just feel like this is going to be a sappy oversimplification of all the baggage that would come with a brother-sister relationship.

Also I don't think this is a really a Japanese culture thing. I know they like to have romance between adopted siblings but I've never really heard of them being really into blood brother sister relationships

erttheking:

FirstNameLastName:

I'm hardily the first person to make this rather stale observation, but isn't it strange that games where you can drag an innocent old lady out of her car and slit her throat, our douse a dog in petrol and set it on fire in front of the owner, is seen as acceptable content by Western gamers, but ploughing your sibling is just too.
As fun as it is to laugh at Japan and their weirdly sexual media, I can't help but recognize that the content of our media depicts far worse atrocities than the strange sexual acts of Japanese media.

Yeah except most games don't portray slitting the throat of old women as something cute and adorable. My concerns are the game portraying the incest in the typical cutesy manner that all Fire Emblem romances are portrayed as. When Jaimie and Cersei were a couple of Game of Thrones, it was loving (Until Cersei went bananas) but it was still very dysfunctional. I overplayed my reaction but I'm really more annoyed than anything else. I just feel like this is going to be a sappy oversimplification of all the baggage that would come with a brother-sister relationship.

Also I don't think this is a really a Japanese culture thing. I know they like to have romance between adopted siblings but I've never really heard of them being really into blood brother sister relationships

Even so, there's plenty of violence in games that isn't really justified but the morality of it is completely brushed over, particularly when it concerns rival factions. I know this tends to be how people in real life view conflicts, with all members of the opposing faction declared evil, but still, how many times in videogames have you killed a bunch of guards who probably weren't evil people? Often in RPGs the other people are treated as a generic mob; no different to a wolf or giant spider.
when compared to the kinds of violence that videogames often have, I really don't see why I should care even the slightest bit about incest. After all, is not like people will play the game and immediately say "Oh no, now that I've witnessed incest without any heavy-handed condemnation I no longer find it repulsive. I guess I'm now sexually attracted to family members. Damn you Fire Emblem!"

Now, I can see why it would be deemed unmarketable to western audiences, but I don't see why I or anyone else should be annoyed, angered, upset, outraged or bothered in the slightest, especially since I'm pretty sure it's optional anyway.

erttheking:

xaszatm:

erttheking:

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan?

I'd say the marrying your sister/brother but Game of Thrones is a thing, so... :P

Wait what? *Googles* Oh...WHAT!?

Just...just tell me something. Is this going to be like Game of Thrones where they treat it as fairly messed up? Or is it going to make it uber cutesy the way Fire Emblem has a tendency to do? Because if it's the later I think I have a date with a Jacuzzi filled with brain bleach.

Yes and no. It's treated lighter than it was in the 4th game (then again, the 4th game is just as good as A Game of Thrones and both book and game came out in the same year) but...

Nintendo, livin' it up like it's 1996.

Wonder if this extends to Europe or it's just NA.

Either way, Nintendo is on a roll with the pathetic lately when it comes to cutting shit. Is it leftover conservatism or liberal regression? You decide, ladies and gentlemen.

Some people jump from "I think this is dumb" to "so it shouldn't be in the game " with an irrational line of reasoning. The thing to follow up that statement is "and I won't play the game/use the mechanic" and nothing else.

Nintendo is making a bet that more people would have not gotten the game with the mechanic intact than they are losing through censorship and it is in our hands to prove them wrong. These kinds of minigames are nothing new. In senran kagura you can blow on the 3ds microphone to lift the skirts of characterz even, and the game had a T rating and nobody died due to it being released. It did well enough to move up its sequel into a physical version too. There's no reason this game is any different.

I kinda had not much interest to begin with but now I have to add this to the import or ignore pile.

FirstNameLastName:
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Yeah, but usually games fall into some kind of niche where they work their way around it. Either the enemies are cartoonishly evil (Most of Fire Emblem) the heroes are kinda psychotic (GTA, Borderlands 2) or they actually explore that morality. I do get where you're coming from though. Though the thing I'm trying to get at is tone. With games with violence tend to match their tone with their level of violence, and it gets to be problematic when they don't (Welkin in Vaklyria Chronicles talking about how he loves nature when driving towards the enemy lines in a tank makes him sound like a psychopath) I guess I just have my doubts of the game being able to come up with a tone that'll work.

Probably because incest is still rather taboo. Also your sister is considerably younger than you.

Revnak:
Before people start going on about how this game is just too super Japanese, I'd like to point out Awakening sold well everywhere, not just in Japan, and that it had the best sales of any Fire Emblem in virtually all regions. Fates, spiritual successor that it is, is unlikely to be the kind of game that only appeals to the Japanese audience and I think its fair to argue that the Japanese audience was not the only audience IS had in mind when it was made.

To be fair, the reason Fates sold whereas other Emblems did not is that it was the only Fire Emblem to ever receive any form of advertising outside of Japan.

erttheking:

Silentpony:

erttheking:
Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan?

I'm not sure that they so much "Worked" in Japan as they were tolerated. I don't think those work anywhere.

xaszatm:

erttheking:

xaszatm:

I'd say the marrying your sister/brother but Game of Thrones is a thing, so... :P

Wait what? *Googles* Oh...WHAT!?

Just...just tell me something. Is this going to be like Game of Thrones where they treat it as fairly messed up? Or is it going to make it uber cutesy the way Fire Emblem has a tendency to do? Because if it's the later I think I have a date with a Jacuzzi filled with brain bleach.

Yes and no. It's treated lighter than it was in the 4th game (then again, the 4th game is just as good as A Game of Thrones and both book and game came out in the same year) but...

Well that's certainly a thing. I really don't know how to react to this anymore. I think I need to sleep on this. It's certainly an improvement.

Thank you very much for making sure that I was informed on this.

erttheking:

FirstNameLastName:
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Yeah, but usually games fall into some kind of niche where they work their way around it. Either the enemies are cartoonishly evil (Most of Fire Emblem) the heroes are kinda psychotic (GTA, Borderlands 2) or they actually explore that morality. I do get where you're coming from though. Though the thing I'm trying to get at is tone. With games with violence tend to match their tone with their level of violence, and it gets to be problematic when they don't (Welkin in Vaklyria Chronicles talking about how he loves nature when driving towards the enemy lines in a tank makes him sound like a psychopath) I guess I just have my doubts of the game being able to come up with a tone that'll work.

Probably because incest is still rather taboo. Also your sister is considerably younger than you.

I agree that mishandling such things can completely fuck the tone, my point was more of a moral one, that portraying it in a more light hearted way that doesn't take a stand against it shouldn't be considered off limits or "too far". Maybe it's just because I'm fairly lax when it comes to sexuality, so unless there are consent issues I file it under "weird shit I'm apathetic to."

Is that the thing I heard about where you order your teenage companion NPCs into your room one-by-one, undress them and then feel them up to fill a some kind of bonding meter?

I dunno folks. I don't think the game will be quite the same without that feature.

Bix96:
If XCOM 2 came out in Europe with air battles but America's version was cut people most definitely be upset.

Can't speak for anyone else, but as someone who loves some XCOM, I would have been overjoyed to get a version without the air battles.

They were half-baked, barely interactive, relied on arbitrary and hidden dice rolls, didn't allow the player many options and were an annoying resource sink.

If there was a mod to remove them I would have installed it in a flash and I'm glad they're not going to be in XCOM2.

FirstNameLastName:

erttheking:

FirstNameLastName:
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Yeah, but usually games fall into some kind of niche where they work their way around it. Either the enemies are cartoonishly evil (Most of Fire Emblem) the heroes are kinda psychotic (GTA, Borderlands 2) or they actually explore that morality. I do get where you're coming from though. Though the thing I'm trying to get at is tone. With games with violence tend to match their tone with their level of violence, and it gets to be problematic when they don't (Welkin in Vaklyria Chronicles talking about how he loves nature when driving towards the enemy lines in a tank makes him sound like a psychopath) I guess I just have my doubts of the game being able to come up with a tone that'll work.

Probably because incest is still rather taboo. Also your sister is considerably younger than you.

I agree that mishandling such things can completely fuck the tone, my point was more of a moral one, that portraying it in a more light hearted way that doesn't take a stand against it shouldn't be considered off limits or "too far". Maybe it's just because I'm fairly lax when it comes to sexuality, so unless there are consent issues I file it under "weird shit I'm apathetic to."

I feel the need to admit that I'm fairly squicked out by incest even though I can't really admit to having a good reason to. One thing I feel a bit more comfortable being squicked out by is the relationship being between a much older person and a younger person. It tends to work better outside of a family but inside of a family there's implications of an unequal power balance. If they want to tackle incest, they should be able to. I'm just pointing out problems I have with the concept. One that I admit is totally irrational on my part, and one I feel isn't so irrational. I'm not against it entirely, I've just got doubts about the quality of the end result.

Thanks for putting up with me not being that calm by the way. I've had a hell of a night and I haven't exactly been composing myself.

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