J.J. Abrams Says Gay Characters Are Coming to Star Wars

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Superb! I'm sure injecting even more political correctness into Star Wars is going to help the movies lots!

008Zulu:

Sniper Team 4:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the first gay character was Juhani, from Knights of the Old Republic--all the way back in 2003. Bonus points for also being a different species. So they've existed, it's just they've rarely been in stories.

The Old Republic games are not canon, they don't count unfortunately.

Yes and no. Old Republic apparently maintains a contract via the MMO that makes them canon. A few other bits come to light such as the "Rule of Two" (One Apprentice, One Master) started by Darth Bane which in turn references Darth Revan. The broad strokes of the Old Republic (which is forgotten by the time of the movies) are in no real danger. I can't remember where I read this, but I seem to recall the question was brought up fairly early on due the huge amount of money EA paid for things like licensing. This put them in a different position from the EU writers. When I say "broad strokes" what I mean is the basic plotlines and things that you see through the "Old Republic" series, Revan for example is a dude as opposed to being able to be a girl like you could decide in the video games, your specific heroes in the MMO have no real bearing on what happened, but the same sweeping events largely took place in the distant past.

At least that's how I've heard it, that might very well change if the MMO closes down. What it reminds me of is how for a while due to contract disputes "Shadows Of The Empire" was considered part of the canon. That gets complicated and goes back to fights over ownership between Dark Horse comics and Lucas (it can be argued that Lucas actually sold the rights to Star Wars and it's canon at least twice and then legally finagled to get them returned to him). Basically if EA loses the liscence and then Disney decides it wants it's own prequel universe... But until then EA spent millions of dollars on these rights, and I believe that included the right to canon within the set time period.

George Lucas and his notes/writing were supposed to have been involved in the development of the SECOND KoToR game as well, which means that it could be considered as canon as say "Splinter Of The Minds Eye" and "Han Solo At Star's End" which I believe also survived the canon purge.

The point here is that Juhani can truly be argued to be the first "canon" homosexual character in the series.

I'm not going to get into a brawl over this, this is simply the information I have on the subject. J.J. putting a homosexual into the movies (if he even has that kind of swing) would be a first and I'm sure that's what he means. Right now there have been two areas of speculation on this:

1. Boba Fett's sexuality was never determined and for the sake of doing this with an iconic character he will be defined as gay in the upcoming "Rogue 1" (I hope not).

2. Either Finn or Rey will be revealed to be gay in the upcoming sequels when they gain love interests. Apparently before the movie was even released it was mentioned that they are not going to be a couple and we'd have to see who they wind up with. In light of J.J.'s comments this means either could be on the table.

That said JJ isn't going to be involved anymore from some things I read, his intentions and what he's heard aside, I'm not sure if Disney is going to go through with this in what is being presented as a child-friendly universe. All comments about more progressive Disney characters aside, them experimenting in a billion dollar franchise like Star Wars seems unlikely. If they were going to do that, I'd imagine they would use their canon bi-sexual character already, that's Black Widow incidently, it's been a while but I seem to remember her getting into some girl on girl in her background during an adult-imprinted series years ago. She's also a B lister and allegedly her lack of toys was justified as her underperforming in merch, so if they needed to axe a character due to an outcry that would be the one.

That said, we'll see what happens in the long run.

While, yes, this shouldn't need to be announced, in that it shouldn't be a big deal, unfortunately in our present society, it still very much is.

Hell, remember when it was a big deal to have a black stormtrooper? Asking "why is this important?" strikes me as a bit naive.

You mean to say that all this time, there hasn't been a single one in the galaxy?

Sure, man. Whatever you say.

thaluikhain:
While, yes, this shouldn't need to be announced, in that it shouldn't be a big deal, unfortunately in our present society, it still very much is.

Hell, remember when it was a big deal to have a black stormtrooper? Asking "why is this important?" strikes me as a bit naive.

If by 'big deal', you mean when the vast majority of star wars fans, let alone humanity, didn't fucking give a shit except for a small amount of trolls(The ones who actually began the Twatterstorm), like 3 stormfront assholes, and a few pedants who were wrong about star wars canon, then yes, I remember the 'big deal'. Or how it was a 'big deal' about the gay character in the Aftermath book even though the vast majority(I went through and counted them at one point, less than 20% of the bad reviews mentioned the gay character and less than 10% focused upon the issue in their review) of verified purchases on amazon giving it less than 3 stars complained about the absolute shit writing(TIE fighters do NOT weeble and wobble) or how the characters were absolutely wooden and bland. Amusingly enough, they did tend to note he was pretty good at worldbuilding.

.. Yay?

I mean, that's good and all, but surely it's a bit.. 'Hey everyone lookit the gays!' which .. well, no, homophobia/refusal to acknowledge the concept's vastly worse but still, surely the better thing's just to go ahead and stick characters thus inclined in where it feels appropriate and have done.

Though on the 'black stormtrooper' issue, I hardly have a problem with it but it did make me wonder: does that mean the empire's past using mass-clones of Jango Fett then? Frankly I'd been wondering that for a pretty long time actually. When'd they stop using the Repbulic's incredibly effective clones for their military?

Ummmmm...isn't the daily beast satire? It reads a lot like it;
"Maybe, as some hopeful Star Wars fans have theorized, The Force Awakens already introduced the franchise?s first gay character. Who wouldn?t ship Boyega?s Finn and Oscar Isaac?s Poe Dameron?"
"She can also be cheeky, dropping two adorable F-bombs in her acceptance speech with her dad in the audience. ?I?m pretty new to this,? Ridley beamed, describing a pre-fame commercial shoot that demanded she cheerfully scarf down less than appetizing food, take after take: 'The pork pie was really fucking grim.'"

Not exactly good satire. Plus, even if it wasn't, the question was posed to him, not him announcing it,for crying out loud. If people would just read the source for once, or even the quote in context! A response to a question can so easily and quickly be misrepresented and then jumped upon by so many who are kneejerking at everything they can, it's a fucking tragedy to see.

Edit: Apparently it isn't satire, it is just very badly written. And i was thinking of the publication The MidEastBeast. Hopefully an understandable mistake considering.

Therumancer:

Yes and no.

On Wookiepedia, the articles are separated in to two categories; Canon and Legend. Canon took elements from Legend, and rebranded them. Canon Bane was killed by the Jedi Council, Legend Bane was killed by his apprentice, Zannah, for example.

Just because it has characters with the same names doesn't mean anything anymore.

ok. But why the fook should it matter ? Waht is this obbesssion with gender these days, just get the fuck on with it and keep what ever team ya on to yaself, it should not have this much importance. During the entire movie i was never thinking "wow this movie is great but its lacking gay ppls" WTF.

The best way to have a gay character is to make no notice of it at all, for it to just be a tangential thing that occurs on the side and nobody else in the film bats an eye.

Back at the cantina everyone's celebrating the destruction of the Death Star Mk.3 and Poe's getting very flirty with a guy. And that's all we see of it.

Sexuality established, nobody cares, everyone moves on.

But no, we gotta run that capitalist pandering thing into it. So it'll likely be some big emotional tragic story arc of oppression and discrimination.

Uh huh...
Okay.
Now, not to sound like a dick, this is fine and such, but I'm sure there are better things to say.
Like the announcement of new characters, the return of Kyle Katarn (I hope. :'D), more Captain Phasma, and how Finn could be a Jedi. (my other hope, in my opinion, I think a Stormtrooper who becomes a Jedi Gaurdian would be sick. But never mind that is a topic for another thread)

In all seriousness though, at this stage in humanity, we shouldn't really treat this as something special. Heck, there was a gay character in one of then new Star Wars books, and it was treated as something normal. (Well, at least from my view.)

Barbas:
You mean to say that all this time, there hasn't been a single one in the galaxy?

Sure, man. Whatever you say.

Well, it is possible.
Fictional worlds roll with their own rules, who's to say that such a thing even exists.
I mean, of course, that can go for so many, many things.

I bet there is even a fictional universe where toast doesn't even exist.
That people didn't even find a way to cook bread.
I know, a terrible fate, but it is possible.

Plus then you'd have to factor in if humans (and aliens) exist, or if dinosaurs still roam the Earth and found a way to invent social order.

Still, that fucking universe that doesn't have toast... poor buggers.

Bottom line, fiction will fiction. Authors can become a kitten with a ball of yarn in some cases.

EDIT: Although then again, if they don't touch upon the subject, it can fall into the schrodinger's cat paradox. Something can exist and not exist until the author firmly decides the fate of said topic.

Prediction, if they make a gay character evil then people will complain about how it's spreading hate towards gays. If they make a gay character good they will complain that they cast the gay person as a wuss. If they make the gay character funny they will complain how it's making fun of gays. So basically he should just make a gay character that stands in the corner and say nothing, but not looking emo in any way because that's offensive.

Or they could just announce that Yoda was gay all along, which should get them liked by everyone except lizards and other warm-blood-impaired creatures. They already have the visuals, just need some sound to go with it:

http://imgur.com/gallery/rd5jhzV

Uh, this wouldn't exactly be breaking new ground for Star Wars films. The Clone Wars movie featured Ziro the Hutt, after all.
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...Then again, the less said about him, the better...

Let's be honest here; romance has never been a strength of the series, regardless of sexual orientation. Only one of the films made it a central focus, and we all know how well that went over. Even the "genuine" relationship with Han and Leia is corny as hell ("I love you!" "I know").

Call me crazy, but it would probably be best to keep the focus on, you know, the wars in the stars. They can make characters gay/bi/pan/attack helicopter or whatever, just don't dwell on it or make it their defining feature.

K12:
Ian Mckellan is openly gay... "openly" doesn't mean "ostentatiously" it just means that it isn't being actively hidden.

Yes, but that is reality. Hollywood on the other hand treats "openly gay" as "reminding you every other scene said person is gay".

K12:

Mister K:
I don't really care, but the wording "openly gay" makes me think that instead of this kind of gay
We'll get something like this

Ian Mckellan is openly gay... "openly" doesn't mean "ostentatiously" it just means that it isn't being actively hidden.

The problem is that you only know the sexuality of a character if it explicitly comes up, which is usually done ostentatiously and in a very obvious way, as a general rule Hollywood isn't known for its subtlety. Think back through the Star Wars films...I think the people you KNOW the sexual orientation of across the seven films (through those films, that is) can probably be counted on your fingers. The rest? They could be anything.

I honestly have no idea how they're going to work it. I mean...its not as if gay people go around with a sign on their head informing the world that they're gay. If you talk to Ian McKellan about his work on Lord of the Rings then you're unlikely to work out that he's gay from that conversation unless it specifically comes up.

I'm kinda hoping its Finn and Poe though. Because the internet reaction would be positively insane. X-D

Edit: And LordLundar ninjad me in a far more concise way than I put it. X-D

mad825:
And this would make Stars wars better how? Oh yeah, "gay culture" or the "gay community" will throw money at them and no I'm not being sarcastic. I'm all for this progression in society; however, when a group is being exploited by capitalism, I'll stand against it in principle.

How do you define "exploited," mad825? Because if giving people something they want is exploitation, then we're all fucked.

The Material Sheep:
Why don't you just put it in there, and not make a big deal out of it? I honestly don't understand why people feel the need to announce things like this to the world.

Mr. Abrams was an event where someone explicitly asked him the question. He answered it. It's not like he wrote an unsolicited letter to the Escapist saying, "Please publish a story about how people in Star Wars are gonna be gay."

Bob_McMillan:
It's the "openly" gay part that has me worried.

Until we see the implementation, I have no reason to believe "openly gay" means anything other than "not something you have to be reading super hard between the lines to spot, like Dumbledore or that woman whose name I forget from the 1959 version of House on Haunted Hill. At worst, I assume it means people who think a gay character acknowledging his own homosexuality is "rubbing it in the audience's face" are people who will be upset.

Brian Tams:
J.J., you don't get to claim to be the first creative mind to do this in Star Wars.

I missed the part where he said that or anything like it.

Brian Tams:
Also, why is J.J. acting like he has George Lucas levels of control over Star Wars?

What specific words did he say that even imply that? How is he not just answering a question he knows the answer to?

Nimcha:
I would totally make my day if that was going to be Rey.

Nah, it's gonna be a gay man. There aren't enough women in the galaxy for a woman to be gay with.

Joking aside, though, I have seen plenty of beautiful women on TV who are attracted to other beautiful women. It's been done, and I'm frankly often suspicious of it given Hollywood's crass shamelessness about trying to exploit female sexuality for money. I hope it's men. Let the gay brothers have some positive representation onscreen.

AstaresPanda:
Why the fook should it matter?

Why shouldn't it? What about you personally not caring means your tastes are so correct they should be proscribed to everyone else?

People care about things that matter to them. I don't get why anyone should have to justify that to you.

ShakerSilver:
Um, ok? Not really sure it has to be stated in advance - or why this is newsworthy at all.

Because people are having temper tantrums over blacks and women?

mad825:
And this would make Stars wars better how?

I know, right? Unlike straight characters, gays need some sort of justification to exist or something. Clearly, this is exploitation because ponies.

Soviet Heavy:
There have been gays in Star Wars since Juhani in 2003, and Goran Beviin and his husband from like 2007=8. The difference is that theses were never publicized as selling points. They were just sort of there.

The other difference is that these were specified EU, and this article differentiates. It even outright states there have been gay EU characters. And neither has anyone been publicised as selling points. Abrams was asked, and he answered.

Adam Jensen:
OH NOES! Will somebody please think of the children. The end days are upon us. THE GAY AGENDA IS TAKING STAR WARS FROM US!

You joke, but this has literally been the point of a campaign of Star Wars fans.

I think The Escapist even reported on it a couple years ago, before everyone got riled up over a black stormtrooper.

As long as the movies are good I'm a happy camper.

Pun intended?

Tiamat666:
Superb! I'm sure injecting even more political correctness into Star Wars is going to help the movies lots!

Where exactly did they inject the previous "political correctness?" Before or after TFA became the third highest grossing film?

Then again, iuf "there are gays in this film" is "political correctness," Empire was very likely "PC."

thaluikhain:
While, yes, this shouldn't need to be announced, in that it shouldn't be a big deal, unfortunately in our present society, it still very much is.

Hell, remember when it was a big deal to have a black stormtrooper? Asking "why is this important?" strikes me as a bit naive.

Well, it's not so much being announced as it was asked and answered. This is kind of like whenever Al Sharpton gets paid for his opinion on CNN or MSNBC and people act as though he forced his way into the studio and demanded airtime. Neither are an unsolicited opinion, and both were prompted.

And it's not so much naive as it is a lot of the same people who did that trying to make this something it isn't.

You will see a lot of the people who commented on the black stormtrooper in here.

Fensfield:

I mean, that's good and all, but surely it's a bit.. 'Hey everyone lookit the gays!'

It's more:

Abrams: inclusivity.
Question: even gays?
Abrams: even gays.

It's not even like this is being paraded about.

JimB:

How do you define "exploited," mad825? Because if giving people something they want is exploitation, then we're all fucked.

My SO linked me to a now defunct blog once which covered this pretty well. Since it's now defunct, I can't give you an exact quote, but it was something like "only white men featured prominently in movies? Well, of course, they're going to pander to the biggest audience! Women and People of Colour featured prominently in movies? Don't you see they're just pandering to you?"

Straights and whites and men are pandered to constantly in this society, but it's only when someone else is pandered to that it's wrong or exploitation.

But I think the important thing is that someone is here to tell us silly queers that we don't know what's good for us.

At worst, I assume it means people who think a gay character acknowledging his own homosexuality is "rubbing it in the audience's face" are people who will be upset.

I suspect that's the issue, though. There seems to be a push for gay characters you can't tell are gay.

Nah, it's gonna be a gay man. There aren't enough women in the galaxy for a woman to be gay with.

Nah, that's why Phasma's around. I mean, why else would they heavily feature a second named female character from a Star Wars movie in all sorts of media?

Joking aside, though, I have seen plenty of beautiful women on TV who are attracted to other beautiful women. It's been done, and I'm frankly often suspicious of it given Hollywood's crass shamelessness about trying to exploit female sexuality for money. I hope it's men. Let the gay brothers have some positive representation onscreen.

It's Star Wars. I'm not sure anything it does is positive representation. :p

Its as if millions of Poe x Finn shippers cried out in joy, and are never to be silenced, no matter what anybody says or does in the future, ever.

I'm on that shipping train. Choo-choo, motherfuckers. Ain't no letting minutiae like "facts" get in the way of this.

Shipping aside, we've already had gay characters. At least four of them.

JimB:

Nimcha:
I would totally make my day if that was going to be Rey.

Nah, it's gonna be a gay man. There aren't enough women in the galaxy for a woman to be gay with.

Joking aside, though, I have seen plenty of beautiful women on TV who are attracted to other beautiful women. It's been done, and I'm frankly often suspicious of it given Hollywood's crass shamelessness about trying to exploit female sexuality for money. I hope it's men. Let the gay brothers have some positive representation onscreen.

Oh please let it be Poe Dameron.

And as people (including me in this thread) has said before.

Please, please, PLEASE, don't sledgehammer the point across, and turn Poe into the typical hollywood gay (I know that's a big ask, but one can hope right?).

Something Amyss:
I think the important thing is that someone is here to tell us silly queers that we don't know what's good for us.

I thought about adding something to my post about how goddamned disheartening it is to see how many people in this thread had elected themselves censors (in the more classical sense of the term than the one they're probably thinking of) who get to regulate what is and is not good for gay people in terms of representation in media, and how often they seem to think that what's good for gay people is to be quiet almost to the point of silence and still almost to the point of invisibility. I decided not to write it because it depressed me.

Something Amyss:
Nah, that's why Phasma's around. I mean, why else would they heavily feature a second named female character from a Star Wars movie in all sorts of media?

To sell toys of an antagonist.

MarsAtlas:

Shipping aside, we've already had gay characters. At least four of them.

It seems pretty clear they're talking about the films. Can you name four gay characters in the films?

JimB:

I thought about adding something to my post about how goddamned disheartening it is to see how many people in this thread had elected themselves censors (in the more classical sense of the term than the one they're probably thinking of) who get to regulate what is and is not good for gay people in terms of representation in media, and how often they seem to think that what's good for gay people is to be quiet almost to the point of silence and still almost to the point of invisibility. I decided not to write it because it depressed me.

Well, I mean, this goes to a larger theme of "it's only censorship when I don't want it." I've made the point recently in threads on the matter that the people who are complaining the loudest about censorship never seemto care when a hot male is covered up, or LGBT individuals are removed from a product.

I mean, if it was a teenage girl being groped, then it'd be cultural marxism to complain about it being included. But since it's gays?

*shrug*

Censorship is okay, I guess.

To sell toys of an antagonist.

That's just silly. Why would girls by action figures?

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Shut up! I totally don't count!

Not a fan of this, not out of some hatred towards gay people but 'cos a character should be gay 'cos the character is gay, not have a gay character 'cos we need a gay character.

We shouldn't be including people for the sake of including, we should be making well written stories, with well written characters. I like that guy from Mass effect, his partner died and he just happens to drop into the conversation that he is gay ... it's not like he is some hyper camp guy, making it super obvious he is gay. I don't remember them advertising the fact that it would have a gay guy in it, it was just pleasantly dropped into conversation and then nothing more was said about it, which is how I think it should be done.

Things should be done like they don't matter 'cos they shouldn't matter ... like I am not super up to date on the whole Oscar thing but we shouldn't be in a position where we have a token black guy or a token Asian. People should be nominated 'cos they did well and not 'cos they have a certain colour of skin.

is the character going to be written well, directed well, acted well, and presented well, with character elements that are relevant to the plot?

Yes? Then I don't really care what their sexual orientation is, and will enjoy the well made character.

No? Then I still don't really care what their sexual orientation is, and will be pissed at a poorly crafted character taking up screen time without contributing to the quality of the story.

Technically it's not unfeasible to believe that - even if you only take the 6 films into account - there have been many gay on-screen characters in Star Wars. They just didn't confide it to anyone... and why would they need to; we're talking about a hyper-futuristic interstellar civilization here, one in which (looking at our own progress) homosexuality has likely been considered completely normal for thousands of years.

If it's normal, there's no history of oppression or personal issues to use for a character's arc, which of course means that being gay would barely qualify as a character trait at all. Like being straight, it becomes completely mundane.

What I'm getting at here, is that making romance/sexuality a prominent trait of any character is a recipe for disaster. Hell, romance barely has a place in Star Wars to begin with, especially since they've only managed to pull it off once (the prequels obviously don't count, since what transpired on-screen barely qualified as humans talking to each other, let alone chemistry).

Happyninja42:
is the character going to be written well, directed well, acted well, and presented well, with character elements that are relevant to the plot?

This is Star Wars, so several of those are out right off the bat.

Though the rest of your post is point taken. Could you imagine if people were upset because Anakin was straight, rather than that the romance in the prequels was shit?

omega 616:
Not a fan of this, not out of some hatred towards gay people but 'cos a character should be gay 'cos the character is gay, not have a gay character 'cos we need a gay character.

Well, that's not what Abrams said, but how do we decide if a gay character is gay because they're gay? Especially when any gay--hell, any minority, or woman--is accused of the same thing?

EbonBehelit:
Technically it's not unfeasible to believe that - even if you only take the 6 films into account - there have been many gay on-screen characters in Star Wars. They just didn't tell anybody about it... and why would they need to?

Well, you had me until this:

Based on the futuristic setting, compared to our own societal progress, it'd be easy to believe that homosexuality has been considered a relatively normal and acceptable thing for thousands of years in-universe.

Let's ignore for a moment that Star Wars isn't horribly progressive. Let's take this at face value.

If that was the case, I'd expect you'd see more gays onscreen. People wouldn't need to make a big deal about coming out, no. But if homosexuality as a societal issue has been licked, then I would expect to see people partnered up far more casually.

That is, you will see more gays on the street once it's no longer a big deal to be gay. You might see fewer flamboyant people who look like they came off a float in a pride parade, but you will see more gays. Doing gay things. Even small things. LGBT individuals tend towards discretion in most circumstances specifically because there's an element of fear and/or taboo, actual danger, and because there's social inertia. Me and my SO get treated differently than a hetero couple for doing the same things.

So now you've actually established a very different question: with no reason to hide it, why would they need to? The answer is they wouldn't, and therefore we should expect it to show. Queers of any stripe sneak around today because we're still frowned upon. I fear for my life. But clearly, in this futuristic society where gay is normal, we shouldn't have to.

And in the end, that leaves the real issue: heteronormativity on the part of the viewer leads to inertia.

Am I allowed to be pulling my hair out over this as a writer and ask what a character's sexual orientation brings to the story? Am I allowed to do that at any point?

I know I'm an evil homophobic white male for asking about the basic concepts of having something as a character's sexuality having a bearing in the universe that it exists in. Sexuality and relationships aren't an issue which is of paramount or even passing concern in the Star Wars universe. So making a character gay and going to the extent of pointing it out in the story and addressing it only makes sense if it changes the dynamic and situation of the story within the universe.

A character's sexuality in something set in say...90's America in a sit-com, is a big deal, in say 70's America in a political drama, is a big deal...a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, about space magic and civil wars, not exactly that big a deal, unless you've developed a society and culture where sexuality and relationships are the primary focus...not space battles and planetary death lasers, and the trials of good and evil.

If you decide to insert that issue into this film it's a statement to the audience about the audience, not a statement to audience about the story and characters. Where is the gay bashing scene in Star Wars? No where. Where is the scene of a character confronting his sexuality in a culture that condemns him and trying to come to grips with what is right and what is wrong according to society? No where!

It's that nauseating pandering and that demand that every aspect of our Art and cultural understanding conform to the norms and accepted positions of RIGHT NOW. It's like making a TV show set in medieval England and casting a black actress, but not actually using the fact that she's black, just treating her like any other character. Or casting an Asian actor in a movie about 1940's California and then NOT having that character treated like an Asian woman would be viewed in 40's California. This artistic censoring and quota creates works of film that are so divorced from reality in an attempt to be 'fair' and 'inclusive' that we lose the point of what is being created.

Film is a stage that demands it address stories that can be told about Race and Sexuality and Gender, it demands honesty to the story and the vision, and it demands that characters be crafted to enhance the story which they exist in. Should Star Wars be about more than simply a checklist for all the right affirmative action topics? Woman, check. Black, check. Gay, check.

Is that right? Does that create a character worth creating?

Barbas:
You mean to say that all this time, there hasn't been a single one in the galaxy?

Sure, man. Whatever you say.

Well, there's only like four black men in the whole galaxy. Lando, Mace Windu, Captain Panaka, and Finn.

Saltyk:
(Snip).

Fucking hell, does that include the comics and books as well?

Barbas:

Saltyk:
(Snip).

Fucking hell, does that include the comics and books as well?

No. Just the movies. I haven't read any of the comics or books to know.
I was mostly posting that as a joke.

FFHAuthor:
Am I allowed to be pulling my hair out over this as a writer and ask what a character's sexual orientation brings to the story? Am I allowed to do that at any point?

Please do not pretend anyone can stop you from having whatever reaction you want. You can pull your hair out and ask questions whenever you want, just as I "am allowed" at any point to pull my hair out and ask why people it is when people say "sexual orientation," they actually seem to mean "non-straightness," because for all the ranting about how sexual orientation doesn't make a difference and detracts from the story, no one ever seems to argue that the form of sexual orientation which is heterosexuality detracted from the previous two trilogies. I never hear the audience complaining, "Look at Luke being all straight! Look at Han being liking girls, it adds nothing to the plot! Look at Leia being into guys, that's such pandering! Look at Anakin and Padme cramming their heterosexual agenda down our throats! Look at Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, pandering to straights with their token straight relationship!"

It always comes off very disingenuous to me when people say the problem is introducing sexual orientation, and then act like heterosexuality is not a sexual orientation.

Something Amyss:

Let's ignore for a moment that Star Wars isn't horribly progressive. Let's take this at face value.

If that was the case, I'd expect you'd see more gays onscreen. People wouldn't need to make a big deal about coming out, no. But if homosexuality as a societal issue has been licked, then I would expect to see people partnered up far more casually.

*snippity snip*

So now you've actually established a very different question: with no reason to hide it, why would they need to? The answer is they wouldn't, and therefore we should expect it to show. Queers of any stripe sneak around today because we're still frowned upon. I fear for my life. But clearly, in this futuristic society where gay is normal, we shouldn't have to.

And in the end, that leaves the real issue: heteronormativity on the part of the viewer leads to inertia.

I see your query and reverse it: how many straight people do we see in Star Wars? If we don't possess the frame of mind that literally everyone is (an admittedly easy enough thing to do for straight people such as myself), it becomes clear that almost any character could be gay or bi. I mean, as far as we know only like 4-5 people in the entire universe even want to have sex in the first place since it's never even brought up for anybody else.

Hell, maybe Jango Fett was gay - a big reason for him desiring a unaltered clone to be the son he could never have naturally (baseless speculation, ho!)

EbonBehelit:

I see your query and reverse it: how many straight people do we see in Star Wars?

100% of the romantic or sexual interactions we see are heterosexual in practice.

Saltyk:
No. Just the movies. I haven't read any of the comics or books to know.
I was mostly posting that as a joke.

Oh, all right then.

Simon Pegg apparently wrote an essay once on Threepio being gay.

Am I the only one that misses the days when we were free to project ourselves onto a broader base of the characters? When the only times we needed to know anything about a characters sexual habits preferences or proclivities was when it was specifically an element of the story? When we remained free to project however much or little of ourselves into our mental stories of our favorite heroes. In short way back when we actually had imaginations, and didn't need to have it spelled out, in bog brightly colored banners for the clueless sitting in the back row. It's like the whole Harry Potter "Dumbledore is gay" thing. What sis it matter? It in no way informed the story. The characters sexuality may or may not be used as an element to the story, but it should never ever be the story. At least not in this type of escapist fantasy work.

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