Microsoft's Phil Spencer Says Mouse and Keyboard Support for Xbox One is "Months Away"

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Microsoft's Phil Spencer Says Mouse and Keyboard Support for Xbox One is "Months Away"

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You may be able to play games on your Xbox One with a mouse and keyboard sooner than you'd expect.

One of the big announcements of Microsoft's E3 press conference on Monday was Xbox Play Anywhere, a new service that brings Xbox games to the PC via the Windows Store on Windows 10. While that's definitely good news for PC gamers who want to play Xbox exclusive games, it did make us wonder if there might be games going in the other direction as well.

In an interview with PC Games N, Head of Xbox Phil Spencer said that support for keyboard and mouse is already in the works. He wouldn't speculate on a specific date when it might happen, but when asked he said, "I keep talking about it in the press and my platform team keeps shaking their head, because they... Truthfully in our dev kit modes now keyboard works, mouse support is a little bit further away. I say it because I know it's not years away, it's more like months away, but we don't have an exact date yet."

This isn't the first time this sort of support has been mentioned, as there have been rumors about it over the last year or two. That said, it would things interesting for Xbox One gamers if some PC-exclusive mouse and keyboard titles were suddenly playable on their console of choice. I could foresee some shooters having to create controller-only multiplayer servers in their games if some folks start using a mouse on console, though.

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Keyboard and mouse support will have to be manually added by developers for their games though.
What I find slightly more interesting would be if they added PC-to-Xbox game streaming. I already use the streaming feature from xbox to PC, but would love to get it the other way around. I know we already have this with Steam, but my TV connected PC has been acting weird lately and it would eventually mean I could get rid of it.

Only native support is months away, a Xim4 works well by all accounts.

Hopefully this promotes cross-play further.

But why would someone need mouse and keyboard on Xbox when gamepad is so much better?! /sarcasm

Rastrelly:
But why would someone need mouse and keyboard on Xbox when gamepad is so much better?! /sarcasm

Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

I guess this means you'd be able to use the Steam Controller on Xbox, since it registers as a standard mouse and keyboard. Unless they are planning to sell special Xbox One mouse and keyboards bundles...

wow mouse and keyboard support awesome lol

Saelune:

Rastrelly:
But why would someone need mouse and keyboard on Xbox when gamepad is so much better?! /sarcasm

Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

Rastrelly:

Saelune:

Rastrelly:
But why would someone need mouse and keyboard on Xbox when gamepad is so much better?! /sarcasm

Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

I will take controller when I can. I'm used to it and I prefer it in most games. People who think Mouse and Keyboard are universally better all the time are very arrogant and shortsighted and its tiring.

I'm not hopeful for this at all, Keyboard and Mouse controls aren't something that console developers know how to do even on PC, what chance do they have at doing it on console? And then who would want to play a third person shooter, platformer, or even some RPG's(square style, not MMO style) with a KB&M anyways?

I never thought that all of this was a huge problem, but them I made a friend on the internet who was left handed and he tried to play Dead Space what with its mouse acceleration and non rebindable controls. Here is a hint on how well that worked, not at all. I don't use arrow keys for almost anything in gaming but he either uses arrow keys or the numpad for everything and WSAD just mad him SAD.

Saelune:

Rastrelly:

Saelune:
Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

I will take controller when I can. I'm used to it and I prefer it in most games. People who think Mouse and Keyboard are universally better all the time are very arrogant and shortsighted and its tiring.

It's good to know there's other people out there that feel the same way! Each has their own sets of pros and cons, pretty much like anything else.

I'm excited for this though. Sometimes I like having a mouse for shooters (it'd be neat to try a new halo with keyboard/mouse). Sometimes I feel like controllers are superior (like for GoW or Dark Souls). Anywho, YAY!

Thatguyky:

Saelune:

Rastrelly:

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

I will take controller when I can. I'm used to it and I prefer it in most games. People who think Mouse and Keyboard are universally better all the time are very arrogant and shortsighted and its tiring.

It's good to know there's other people out there that feel the same way! Each has their own sets of pros and cons, pretty much like anything else.

I'm excited for this though. Sometimes I like having a mouse for shooters (it'd be neat to try a new halo with keyboard/mouse). Sometimes I feel like controllers are superior (like for GoW or Dark Souls). Anywho, YAY!

Generally speaking, controllers are better for platformers, while mouse and keyboard are better for strategy games. But if someone prefers playing Sonic with a mouse and keyboard, good for them. And I wouldn't play Civ V with a controller, but Civ Revolution worked fine, and its turn based. I played Call of Duty on PC with a mouse and keyboard, and then a controller and I did terrible with mouse, but did as well as I usually do with a controller (and I am generally good at CoD). I wont fault someone for being the opposite though, but people forget that preference and the human element exist. Even if mouse is better for shooters, not everyone using a mouse is going to be good anyways, and if I want to "suffer" with my controller, that should be my choice.

We should just be glad that more people have more options.

Saelune:

Rastrelly:
But why would someone need mouse and keyboard on Xbox when gamepad is so much better?! /sarcasm

Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

Funny how a device "made for gaming" has worse gaming performance. Controllers are a compromise device made for sitting back in your couch where you have no surface to lean on, that's all. Admittedly they are pretty good for certain types of gaming - platformers and fighters benefit from using a controller. In an FPS and other games where precision aiming is important, though, the mouse is king.

There is no single device that is better for all types of game, however. Some input devices are naturally better at one type of gaming and others are better at other types. Controllers are always a compromise device, though. They are okay at all types of games without being optimal at most. Racing games are best with a wheel, flight games are best with a proper joystick, shooters and strategy games are best with a mouse, fighters are best with an arcade stick. Controllers probably have their best moments with platformers, I guess.

infohippie:

Saelune:

Rastrelly:
But why would someone need mouse and keyboard on Xbox when gamepad is so much better?! /sarcasm

Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

Funny how a device "made for gaming" has worse gaming performance. Controllers are a compromise device made for sitting back in your couch where you have no surface to lean on, that's all. Admittedly they are pretty good for certain types of gaming - platformers and fighters benefit from using a controller. In an FPS and other games where precision aiming is important, though, the mouse is king.

There is no single device that is better for all types of game, however. Some input devices are naturally better at one type of gaming and others are better at other types. Controllers are always a compromise device, though. They are okay at all types of games without being optimal at most. Racing games are best with a wheel, flight games are best with a proper joystick, shooters and strategy games are best with a mouse, fighters are best with an arcade stick. Controllers probably have their best moments with platformers, I guess.

Controllers also don't hurt my hand like a mouse does. I also think some people just copy others opinions too much. I don't care for racing games and never tried a wheel, so cant speak on that, but I also think fight sticks are overhyped. 2d fighting game, give me a D-Pad any day. 3D I use the control stick, but I hate fight sticks/arcade cabinets. Another example of preference too. My dad, an old school gamer, is better with a stick in fighting games, me with a controller, and when we face eachother in Street Fighter, he usually beats me at a cabinet, and I usually beat him with controllers.

Saelune:

infohippie:

Saelune:
Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

Funny how a device "made for gaming" has worse gaming performance. Controllers are a compromise device made for sitting back in your couch where you have no surface to lean on, that's all. Admittedly they are pretty good for certain types of gaming - platformers and fighters benefit from using a controller. In an FPS and other games where precision aiming is important, though, the mouse is king.

There is no single device that is better for all types of game, however. Some input devices are naturally better at one type of gaming and others are better at other types. Controllers are always a compromise device, though. They are okay at all types of games without being optimal at most. Racing games are best with a wheel, flight games are best with a proper joystick, shooters and strategy games are best with a mouse, fighters are best with an arcade stick. Controllers probably have their best moments with platformers, I guess.

Controllers also don't hurt my hand like a mouse does. I also think some people just copy others opinions too much. I don't care for racing games and never tried a wheel, so cant speak on that, but I also think fight sticks are overhyped. 2d fighting game, give me a D-Pad any day. 3D I use the control stick, but I hate fight sticks/arcade cabinets. Another example of preference too. My dad, an old school gamer, is better with a stick in fighting games, me with a controller, and when we face eachother in Street Fighter, he usually beats me at a cabinet, and I usually beat him with controllers.

Personal preference does have a lot do with it, of course. And that is a primary reason I don't do consoles: I dislike controllers, I am terrible with controllers, and they hurt my hands after ten minutes or so of use. On the other hand, if console games supported a variety of control methods as standard, including mouse and keyboard, I'd probably own a PS4 already. Controllers just aren't a usable option for me.

infohippie:

Saelune:

infohippie:

Funny how a device "made for gaming" has worse gaming performance. Controllers are a compromise device made for sitting back in your couch where you have no surface to lean on, that's all. Admittedly they are pretty good for certain types of gaming - platformers and fighters benefit from using a controller. In an FPS and other games where precision aiming is important, though, the mouse is king.

There is no single device that is better for all types of game, however. Some input devices are naturally better at one type of gaming and others are better at other types. Controllers are always a compromise device, though. They are okay at all types of games without being optimal at most. Racing games are best with a wheel, flight games are best with a proper joystick, shooters and strategy games are best with a mouse, fighters are best with an arcade stick. Controllers probably have their best moments with platformers, I guess.

Controllers also don't hurt my hand like a mouse does. I also think some people just copy others opinions too much. I don't care for racing games and never tried a wheel, so cant speak on that, but I also think fight sticks are overhyped. 2d fighting game, give me a D-Pad any day. 3D I use the control stick, but I hate fight sticks/arcade cabinets. Another example of preference too. My dad, an old school gamer, is better with a stick in fighting games, me with a controller, and when we face eachother in Street Fighter, he usually beats me at a cabinet, and I usually beat him with controllers.

Personal preference does have a lot do with it, of course. And that is a primary reason I don't do consoles: I dislike controllers, I am terrible with controllers, and they hurt my hands after ten minutes or so of use. On the other hand, if console games supported a variety of control methods as standard, including mouse and keyboard, I'd probably own a PS4 already. Controllers just aren't a usable option for me.

That's all I want. Doesn't need to be a condescending fight. Let everyone play how they prefer.

Saelune:

Rastrelly:

Saelune:
Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

I will take controller when I can. I'm used to it and I prefer it in most games. People who think Mouse and Keyboard are universally better all the time are very arrogant and shortsighted and its tiring.

Things are the way you perceive them. M&K are definitely better for shooters, strategies, and any game that requires precise orders. Gamepads are better for games with fluent cpntrols like platformers or fightings. But I am as tired of hearing that gamepads are BETTER for shooters or RPGs then M&K. Yes, and chainsaw is much better for cutting bread then knife.

Rastrelly:

Saelune:

Rastrelly:

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

I will take controller when I can. I'm used to it and I prefer it in most games. People who think Mouse and Keyboard are universally better all the time are very arrogant and shortsighted and its tiring.

Things are the way you perceive them. M&K are definitely better for shooters, strategies, and any game that requires precise orders. Gamepads are better for games with fluent cpntrols like platformers or fightings. But I am as tired of hearing that gamepads are BETTER for shooters or RPGs then M&K. Yes, and chainsaw is much better for cutting bread then knife.

You must have low stamina then cause I never hear anyone saying that controllers are better for shooters, its always said that mouse is.

Unicycles to add support for pedaling with your hands!
Seriously, why use a lesser control scheme when you have a slightly inferior variation on the greatest control scheme ever.

NLS:
Keyboard and mouse support will have to be manually added by developers for their games though.
What I find slightly more interesting would be if they added PC-to-Xbox game streaming. I already use the streaming feature from xbox to PC, but would love to get it the other way around. I know we already have this with Steam, but my TV connected PC has been acting weird lately and it would eventually mean I could get rid of it.

or we will find ways to emulate controller with a keyboard just like we found ways to emulate keyboard with a controller for PC games that dont support controllers.

Also why the hell would you stream inferior Xbox version to PC? I guess exclusive games?

Saelune:
Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

being trained to do things the hard way is not preference, its bad habits.

sonicneedslovetoo:
And then who would want to play a third person shooter, platformer, or even some RPG's(square style, not MMO style) with a KB&M anyways?

Sane people. I cant even fathom how people manage to play TPS with controllers. i tried my best and its just so slow and unconfortable.

sonicneedslovetoo:
but them I made a friend on the internet who was left handed and he tried to play Dead Space what with its mouse acceleration and non rebindable controls.

Im left handed but i still use mouse properly.

Saelune:
You must have low stamina then cause I never hear anyone saying that controllers are better for shooters, its always said that mouse is.

It happened in this very thread, look at the guy i quoted a bit above in this post.

This Spencer... is starting to annoy me, the two faced rat speaks with a political forked tongue...

Here, K&M support for the XboxOne, on the subject of Halo 5 PC ? Oh, no Halo 5 was designed with the console in mind and is a different set up, as in we see a console player wanting to be 10 ft away and having a controller in their laps.
(reference: http://www.pcgamer.com/halo-6-will-release-on-windows-10/)
This guy should have stocks in the toilet paper industry to wipe that crap off his mouth every time he opens it.

This asshole will happily tell us consoles suck in a PC convention, and then tell console players the PC market is dead and riddled with piracy at the next days console convention, basically whatever the audience he is currently lying to wants to hear (or what he thinks they want to hear, or what he thinks they should be hearing).

Saelune:

You must have low stamina then cause I never hear anyone saying that controllers are better for shooters, its always said that mouse is.

Nope, you must rarely be involved in these arguments on M&K side. I even saw a guy claiming that M&K are MUCH worse then gamepad for FPS, and that he can beat any M&K player at any game (!!!). No, really. I am not joking.

Wait, they still don't have k&M support for it yet? Didn't the PS4 have it built in? I know a few games with such support already. Keep up, MS if you can.

Huh. Microsoft kinda makes Xbox hard to ignore, with its backward compatibility (though limited) and its ecosystem shared with Windows 10 (and Windows Store, ugh) and keyboard/mouse support (though that would have to be implemented by the developers which it probably won't be). They just need to add Steam support and/or PC-to-Xbox streaming and I might even consider getting one.

sonicneedslovetoo:
I'm not hopeful for this at all, Keyboard and Mouse controls aren't something that console developers know how to do even on PC, what chance do they have at doing it on console? And then who would want to play a third person shooter, platformer, or even some RPG's(square style, not MMO style) with a KB&M anyways?

I never thought that all of this was a huge problem, but them I made a friend on the internet who was left handed and he tried to play Dead Space what with its mouse acceleration and non rebindable controls. Here is a hint on how well that worked, not at all. I don't use arrow keys for almost anything in gaming but he either uses arrow keys or the numpad for everything and WSAD just mad him SAD.

Actually other than MGS5 I prefer playing third and first person shooters with a keyboard and mouse, but anything with melee (DragonAge for example) I find a gamepad is better since there's less pin-point targeting required since I can just face myself in the general direction and generally I'll reliably hit something.

That's actually a major advantage of PC: I can swap control styles in an instant.

"PC running Windows might soon be able to use peripherals that have been standard on PCs for decades"

If they'd done this a couple of generations ago when there were actually some differences in the hardware and software involved this might have been interesting. The only impressive thing here is that, despite having the same hardware and OS as a regular PC, they're somehow still months away from getting basic features working.

So...will it only allow XBox branded KBs and mice?

It runs PC hardware, will soon use PC peripherals, requires upgrading like a PC, requires installing games like a PC, costs almost as much as a PC...what is the reason any more to buy one of these over a PC? As far as I can tell, the only difference is that in one, you agree to let MS have complete control over the OS, you can't add your own programs, access the file system or customise very much.

It's weird how all successive evolutionary steps for consoles have basically been making them more and more PC-like, while losing what makes them console-like.

KingsGambit:
So...will it only allow XBox branded KBs and mice?

It runs PC hardware, will soon use PC peripherals, requires upgrading like a PC, requires installing games like a PC, costs almost as much as a PC...what is the reason any more to buy one of these over a PC? As far as I can tell, the only difference is that in one, you agree to let MS have complete control over the OS, you can't add your own programs, access the file system or customise very much.

It's weird how all successive evolutionary steps for consoles have basically been making them more and more PC-like, while losing what makes them console-like.

Conspiracy hat time! I wonder if MS is intentionally trying to move their audience to PC. They're losing ground rather steadily against Sony in the console wars, but are still king of the hill for PCs, and they're really pushing that Win 10 market so that they can get a cut of all games. Is MS training their remaining console audience so that they'll make the jump when MS starts an Xbox PC line?

I don't know, but wild speculation is fun!

Saelune:

Rastrelly:

Saelune:
Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

I will take controller when I can. I'm used to it and I prefer it in most games. People who think Mouse and Keyboard are universally better all the time are very arrogant and shortsighted and its tiring.

I mean, the skill ceiling is a lot higher with mouse + keyboard for FPSes at least. There's a reason you don't see PC/console crossplay on FPSes, and that reason is Shadowrun for the 360 and PC. They tried it, and immediately realized it was a bad idea when console users got consistently mashed into a thin paste by Mouse/Keyboard users. So when people say "mouse/keyboard is better for FPSes", understand that there is in fact evidence supporting that claim.

Bek359:

Saelune:

Rastrelly:

So what? I grew up on NES as well.

I will take controller when I can. I'm used to it and I prefer it in most games. People who think Mouse and Keyboard are universally better all the time are very arrogant and shortsighted and its tiring.

I mean, the skill ceiling is a lot higher with mouse + keyboard for FPSes at least. There's a reason you don't see PC/console crossplay on FPSes, and that reason is Shadowrun for the 360 and PC. They tried it, and immediately realized it was a bad idea when console users got consistently mashed into a thin paste by Mouse/Keyboard users. So when people say "mouse/keyboard is better for FPSes", understand that there is in fact evidence supporting that claim.

But then, fighting games...

I wonder what this means for online gaming on that platform. Specifically, of course, online shooters. Let's be fair, if two teams with equal hours into CoD, the the PC team will pretty much always beat the console team. Case in point; Microsoft's experiment with the Shadowrun shooter's cross-platform function. I definitely wouldn't want to boot up a shooter, as a console player with a controller, and suddenly get creamed again and again because someone found the space for a keyboard & mouse setup, assuming I wouldn't have it.

So will keyboard and mouse only be there for certain games or certain modes within games? Or will it tie in with this whole "buy one copy, play on both platforms" thing?

Is this the same microsoft that, back in the 360 days, swore up and down they would never put in mouse and keyboard support because it wouldn't be fair to players that used controllers?

I wonder what changed their minds. I can't help but feel it's because they felt they were losing ground to steam or something. We'll have to wait and see how it's implemented: they might pull a dick move and make it so you can't get achievements or have to play on special servers or something.

Saelune:

Rastrelly:
But why would someone need mouse and keyboard on Xbox when gamepad is so much better?! /sarcasm

Because I grew up on a NES and Genesis, not a computer. God forbid people understand preference. Plus why would I want to game on a type writer when I could use a device MADE FOR GAMING?

Yeh..... MADE FOR GAMING and still has to have abit of auto aim as well.....its not a good as a mouse and keyboard which was NOT MADE FOR GAMING, sorry but does not say much for the oh so great controller does it. But again like you said PREFERENCE ;) lol LOL

Rastrelly:

Nope, you must rarely be involved in these arguments on M&K side. I even saw a guy claiming that M&K are MUCH worse then gamepad for FPS, and that he can beat any M&K player at any game (!!!). No, really. I am not joking.

Most of the time its PC elitism complaining, not controller people. Not that I don't doubt console elitists exist, but they atleast aren't as common or loud.

Bek359:

I mean, the skill ceiling is a lot higher with mouse + keyboard for FPSes at least. There's a reason you don't see PC/console crossplay on FPSes, and that reason is Shadowrun for the 360 and PC. They tried it, and immediately realized it was a bad idea when console users got consistently mashed into a thin paste by Mouse/Keyboard users. So when people say "mouse/keyboard is better for FPSes", understand that there is in fact evidence supporting that claim.

We don't have crossplay cause people don't do it. One game isn't a good excuse against it. Id rather we put up or shut up and see what happens when the two actually face off in more games.

AstaresPanda:

Yeh..... MADE FOR GAMING and still has to have abit of auto aim as well.....its not a good as a mouse and keyboard which was NOT MADE FOR GAMING, sorry but does not say much for the oh so great controller does it. But again like you said PREFERENCE ;) lol LOL

You can disagree with me all you want, but perhaps not being immature about it would better serve the discussion.

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