Gawker.com to Shut Down Next Week

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The only way this could have been better was if Sgt. Slaughter had done it, allowing us to say that Gawker was taken down by GIJOE!

Janichsan:

Karadalis:
People can be very angry while still being very calm, or are you going to tell me he wasnt angry at that point about the in his eyes poor live choices of his daughter?

I can tell you thought he wasnt exactly cheering and eating birthday cake during it. Yes raging might have been the wrong word, what about angry, disapointed, despaired that he cant reach his daughter wich he clearly thought was throwing her live away with a (aparantly) pennyless black guy with less then reputable background?

Even so, his demeanor makes clear he was in full control of what he said and how he said it. This wasn't an uncontrolled slip of the tongue.

Let's assume for a moment that you're right. He said what he meant, and he meant what he said. Now, to be perfectly blunt, so what? Put aside for the moment that it's taken from an illegal recording he wasn't aware of. Put aside his mental issues at the time. Put aside the fact that it was eight years earlier than when it was released, and the fact that the response from internet society obliterated any chance of an apology being taken seriously- it's not like entertainment figures ever have any redemptive moments, is it? Put all that aside and focus on one thing:

I'll issue you the same challenge I issued to dispirited fans of Hogan when the story first broke: find me an example of him demonstrating this attitude- show me where he acted on it. Not words; actions. Show me where he discriminated against a black person, or treated them differently than he would a white one. Give me real evidence that he let these thoughts determine how he treated other people. I'll tell you now you won't find any; there's a reason this revelation of these words was as shocking as it was. And words is all they were. Words don't hurt people, actions do. Ultimately, bigotry is a belief. Judaism is also a belief. If it's wrong to punish a person for one, it's wrong to punish a person for the other. The second part of the challenge is explaining how you're accusing Hogan of anything other than Thought Crime.

So Hulk Hogan, presumably remembering what he'd said and knowing the damage it would do to his reputation if it got out, didn't back down from taking Gawker to court and preventing anyone else from being victimized the way he ways. If that doesn't qualify as heroism, then what possibly could?

good riddance
and to think they were given the option to take down the video, and they ignored it

FalloutJack:
The only way this could have been better was if Sgt. Slaughter had done it, allowing us to say that Gawker was taken down by GIJOE!

Nah man, the Iron Sheik would have been better. Except for the idea that there's be an Iron Sheik sex tape. *shudders*

Regarding Gawker: I never visited the site, but from the sound of things, good freaking riddance. It's nice to see yellow journalists actually having to deal with the consequences of what they say and do.

Regarding Hulk Hogan: Obviously, I don't think his rant was appropriate at all. But people say all kinds of crap all the time when they're not in front of a microphone that they wouldn't want to see repeated. (God knows I've said some dumb shit that I didn't really mean while I was getting drunk with my mates.) It's unfair to condemn him for what he said when the same thing could easily be done to anyone else. To the extent that his rant was morally wrong, he was soundly punished for it through the resulting damage to his career. And the whole thing is mostly irrelevant to the actual substance of the Gawker lawsuit. Racists are entitled to the protection of the law just as much as anyone else.

Regarding Peter Thiel: The man's political views are completely irrelevant. He was forcibly outed by Gawker in a very callous and public way. If he chose to fund legal action against Gawker as a consequence, that's within his rights as a private citizen.

To the extent that either participant in the lawsuit has expressed unsavoury opinions, those opinions are mostly irrelevant to the fact that Gawker violated their privacy in a very tangible way. They certainly don't justify anything Gawker did.

tl;dr - I don't care if you're a racist or a neo-con; I'm not going to shit in your shoes and tell you that you deserve it. Gawker shat in too many shoes and now they're dealing with the fallout. That's good. It's how the world is supposed to work.

Janichsan:
While Gawker more than rightfully got what it deserved, let's not forget that Hulk Hogan still was fired from the WWE for spewing racist diatribe, and that his financial supporter Peter Thiel is a bigot neocon with anti-democratic tendencies.

This is a story without heroes.

This. Still, I won't miss the average Gawker headline and its shameless hyperbole.

teh_Canape:
good riddance
and to think they were given the option to take down the video, and they ignored it

They didn't just ignore, they BRAGGED about how they weren't going to do it.

Karadalis:
*snip*

Sorry, but you won't be able to paint Hogan as a poor sacrificial lamb that did no real wrong.

It doesn't matter whether he gave the insult lengthy consideration or acted instinctively out of hurt feelings, since neither alternative puts him into a better light.

If he wanted to express his anger about his daughter's boyfriend, he could have had thousands non-racist ways to do this. The English language is rich on wonderful scathing insults. I don't know much about this Stacks guy, but I assume Hogan could have found a lot to mock about him: his voice, his musical talent, his way of dressing, his driving skills, his dick size, whatever.

But instead, he picked the lowest possible way to insult him: a racial slur.

Not ironically. Not in jest. But in full seriousness and with the full intent to denigrate Stacks because of his tone of skin.

That's pretty much the text book definition of racism. Period.

And Hogan knew that.

He said so himself.

I will admit that there are no other (known) examples of Hogan expressing racism or acting racist. But how much do we really know about Terry Bollea? Not the public persona "Hulk Hogan", but the private person? Hogan is not dumb. He knows (and knew) that expressing certain mindsets could cost him his career (as it in fact happened). Farfetched? You'd be surprised how many people are actually two-faced: acting all nice and agreeable on the outside, but when you actually get to know them, you'd find them to be the most despicable arseholes.

You said it yourself: Hogan felt safe when he made his rant. He was among (alleged) friends, felt unwatched, according to you in a vulnerable state of mind, and just had boned his friend's wife. When if not in such a situation can you see how a person truly is? What you have seen and heard there is probably the purest glimpse of the real Terry Bollea you can get.

Is everything just black and white?

No, it isn't. I might have to remind you that this was exactly what I expressed in my initial post. Hogan was wronged by Gawker, but he is far from being a blameless victim.

And that's all I have to say about this.

No. People do not say stuff like Hogan all the time behind closed doors. I wish a non-Peter reason had shut down Gawker tho'.
Like really , I get angry at someone so I just start calling them by a group slur? That just doesn't even make any sense.
Like I argue with a Spanish person , and when a talk about it with my friends - "So the spic says..." , how does that follow?
I wont say that people who do that are maliciously racist , but to actually hear that such a thing should be expected is points of in my book.

FriedRicer:
No. People do not say stuff like Hogan all the time behind closed doors.

The heck plane of existence do YOU live in? There's an entire branch of psychology based around the idea that people act differently among others than they do in private areas. Freaking A, Persona 4 was pretty much nothing BUT that idea thematically speaking!

Shoot, just ask retail workers. All smiles and cheers when talking to customers, but wishing a pox on the family of that jerkoff who keeps leaving ice cream on the bread shelves.

Metalix Knightmare:

FriedRicer:
No. People do not say stuff like Hogan all the time behind closed doors.

The heck plane of existence do YOU live in? There's an entire branch of psychology based around the idea that people act differently among others than they do in private areas. Freaking A, Persona 4 was pretty much nothing BUT that idea thematically speaking!

Shoot, just ask retail workers. All smiles and cheers when talking to customers, but wishing a pox on the family of that jerkoff who keeps leaving ice cream on the bread shelves.

Key-Words [All the time....like Hogan] Also the bulk of my post was about the content rather than its existence.

I did work in retail - and I was 1st in my district. And it wasn't in a High-income area(Bronx). And I got stories....
But , I never went back to my block going racially slurring a customer. Not once. Asshole maybe. Dick , sure. etc etc.
But faggot,nigger,queer,spic,cracker,guido,jew, etc never came up. And if I can be born where I was an avoid all of that(slurs) when a customer is angry and threatens to kill me , or tries to stab my eyes out, or sell crack, or hold me up etc... in private
Then yes I can look down on someone who brings it up(slurs) in discourse - even if it was at home.

The breach in privacy was criminal and I am glad the criminals got what they deserved - fuck Gawker.
But the rhetoric that "everyone" speaks like that is bullshit. Stop justifying your crap by inflating me and others
into your ranks.

Tell me, Why is my vocabulary (in anger) lacking the racist bias?
Will I ,in private, start to call my daughter's boyfriend a "spic/cracker" if he upsets me?

If it sounds like I'm a bit angry it's because I've already had to deal with being painted in a broad stroke.
But I'm not gonna get added in with Hogan just because people want to feel good about themselves.

TLDR: Screw Gawker, but if you say my words takes a shift similar to Hogan when I'm in private - you're buggin'.
By "you" I mean people that say similar things.

TheLaughingMagician:

FalloutJack:
The only way this could have been better was if Sgt. Slaughter had done it, allowing us to say that Gawker was taken down by GIJOE!

Nah man, the Iron Sheik would have been better. Except for the idea that there's be an Iron Sheik sex tape. *shudders*

goddammit man!!! that is stuff of heavy drug nightmares!!

lord synfel:

TheLaughingMagician:

FalloutJack:
The only way this could have been better was if Sgt. Slaughter had done it, allowing us to say that Gawker was taken down by GIJOE!

Nah man, the Iron Sheik would have been better. Except for the idea that there's be an Iron Sheik sex tape. *shudders*

goddammit man!!! that is stuff of heavy drug nightmares!!

I owe the world an apology.

I love that Gawker is gone. but who will fill the void, there is always someone to fill the void.

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What foul thing will emerge from the void to fill the gap?

Given how salty some of the employees like Jason Schrier have been I expect fast food fries to become loaded with sodium from the tears of mediocre "journalists" for a while.

So Kotaku finally go bye bye?

The Enquirer:
Well as it turns out Hulk Hogan still has the ability to take down huge opponents for good.

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More a case of Gawker being even bigger Heels than Hollywood Hogan was. And that's a FEAT, ladies and gents.

FalloutJack:
The only way this could have been better was if Sgt. Slaughter had done it, allowing us to say that Gawker was taken down by GIJOE!

I think Duke kicked him out when Slaughter allied himself with Saddam Hussein. Going with tyrnanical dictators is probably a deal braker with the Joes.

Samtemdo8:
So Kotaku finally go bye bye?

Nope. If you read the article, Kotaku and the other sister sites will keep going along, it's just Gawker getting shut down. That said, with Gawker gone, there will likely be a change in the corporate structure for Kotaku, which will likely affect the site.

some things... just make me happy.... and how ironic it's bought by the onion.....
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FriedRicer:
No. People do not say stuff like Hogan all the time behind closed doors.

And neither does Hogan. We know that he said it ONCE. Over the many years since that recording noone could provide any evidence of him doing it more than once. So your all the time qualifier is incorrect.

Strazdas:

FriedRicer:
No. People do not say stuff like Hogan all the time behind closed doors.

And neither does Hogan. We know that he said it ONCE. Over the many years since that recording noone could provide any evidence of him doing it more than once. So your all the time qualifier is incorrect.

That qualifier was taken from another poster - and the context was different than the one you are using.
But if we are to get semantic , you can't say "And neither does Hogan." because iirc there are no other private recordings of him in his "element". Although I agree that one recording isn't always enough to gauge an individual.

I also never suggested Hogan said spoke like that all the time(public or privately) either.

Lastly , saying it once is one more than me, so my statements still stand - if racial slurs are a normal when a your're angry...
I'm gonna look down on ya.

TheLaughingMagician:

FalloutJack:
The only way this could have been better was if Sgt. Slaughter had done it, allowing us to say that Gawker was taken down by GIJOE!

Nah man, the Iron Sheik would have been better. Except for the idea that there's be an Iron Sheik sex tape. *shudders*

The Camel Clutch can also be used in bed...

Also:

Too bad Kotaku survived.

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