Report: Nintendo Switch Isn't as Powerful as a PS4

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Report: Nintendo Switch Isn't as Powerful as a PS4

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The Nintendo Switch reportedly uses the older Maxwell Tegra chips, rather than the Pascal chips that power Nvidia's new 10 series of graphics cards.

Nintendo has been very quiet on info regarding its new Switch console, but the folks over at Venture Beat reportedly have the scoop on one of the most important details: the specifications. The big news is that the Switch apparently uses the older Maxwell Tegra chips, rather than the more powerful Pascal ones that were released this year. This means that the machine won't even be as powerful as the vanilla PS4.

Nvidia's Pascal architecture powers the 10 series of graphics cards. If you've been following the graphics card scene you'll know that they represent a tremendous leap in efficiency and power. So why wouldn't Nintendo use them? Venture Beat's source says the company is in such a rush that it can't wait for the Pascal version of the Tegra. That's both because the publisher wants to replace the failing Wii U and because it wants to strike quickly with its hybrid concept before a competitor can introduce a better product.

We previously learned that the Switch's tablet screen will only boast 720p resolution, which means that the slower internals wouldn't really make that much of a difference, unless you were using the device with a 1080p or higher monitor.

We've reached out to Nintendo for comment but we expect that they will not divulge any further details on the Switch until its January event.

Source: Venture Beat

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Not surprising. Nintendo themselves said that they were aiming to outperform the vanilla Xbox One. A figure of 1.5 TFLOPs comes to mind.

Steven Bogos:
the publisher wants to replace the failing Wii U and because it wants to strike quickly with its hybrid concept before a competitor can introduce a better product.

Wow. Just wow.

That'd be a new low for Nintendo. Maybe if Nintendo didn't insist on "leaking" all the information about the system so early on, they wouldn't have to bring some half-assed product to market.

Wasn't it Shiguru Miyamoto that said something about it being better to release a good game later than a bad game now? I think that Nintendo could stand to apply that to its consoles as well...

Well, it is just a tablet with attachable buttons and sticks.
It is an original system.
And it is going to flop.

It just keeps on getting better and better, doesn't it?

Well... yeah... I know its only been a rumor (still is) but I thought this was already established.

008Zulu:

Steven Bogos:
the publisher wants to replace the failing Wii U and because it wants to strike quickly with its hybrid concept before a competitor can introduce a better product.

Wow. Just wow.

That'd be a new low for Nintendo. Maybe if Nintendo didn't insist on "leaking" all the information about the system so early on, they wouldn't have to bring some half-assed product to market.

At least Nintendo knows it doesn't do hardware as well as its competitors. +1 point for self awareness. -3 points for lack if intention to improve upon its self awareness.

The controller looking about as comfortable to hold as a Dreamcast one isn't going to help much either.

Hopefully it will amount to more than being the "Breath of the Wild box."

Once again Nintendo is behind the times and out of touch with anybody outside of their microscopic circle. Nintendo has too much of a business mindset to do well in the games industry. Their draconian practices, artificial scarcity, and blatant disdain for their fans is finally starting to catch up to them and it will quickly sink that ship.

The creators at Nintendo deserve better.

The console is far from released and the event to show the console of and give fans/media information about the coming product is still a month away and we're already in the doom and gloom of Nintendo won't survive another year in the business...
Well, I guess if you're a pessimist you won't be dissapointed.

Then again, I really wonder who actually thought Nintendo would come out with a some sort of superpowerful machine. Hasn't really been part of their MO, so to say.
If the device works and actually acts the way it does in their teasers, I think it might even sell quite well? Depends also on the games they get to the console, that was the biggest mistake of the WiiU, not enough games.

If someone who is real tech-savvy sees this, can someone answer me if consoles are going to get much more powerful than the Ps4/Xbox1?
I just feel like consoles are quite at their peak, if you want to go more powerful you'd have to go with PC?

No matter how i look at this thing.. i just dont see it succeeding...

The controllers look flimsy and uncomfortable, there are to many slidable parts that can break or become lose on the damn thing... the portable nature means weaker hardware and a whole host of limitations...

Their salespitch was to be a portable console that you can take everywhere. However my question is: Who does that? Who takes their highly priced piece of tech out into the wild where the chances of it being damaged or stolen are so damn high? Heck i barely take my DS with me nowadays and you can take an educated guess how often i see people play their DS handhelds out in public... wich would be close to "never"

Hanhelds havent been a thing since the days of the gameboy advance.. the psp and vita have prooved that.. and the DS success is more based on its unique library then it actually being a handheld... (fpr the record i do like my DS very much thankyou)

If i want to take my console with me to a friend (for a gaming evening or something) i can just as easaly take my PS4 or Xbone, the mobile part of the switch doesnt even seem able to recharge without its station... so whats the point of just taking the tablet part with you? So you can play for 3 hours and then cant use it for the rest of the evening because the batteries have run out?

And that its rather lackluster in the hardware department was a given, you cant exactly slap state of the art hardware into such a small thing, since the tablet is the actual console and the rest is just a piece of plastic recharge station.

Guffe:
If someone who is real tech-savvy sees this, can someone answer me if consoles are going to get much more powerful than the Ps4/Xbox1?

To hear Sony and Microsoft say it, the future of consoles is going to be upgradeable components. At which time they will cease being consoles, and become just very restrictive PCs. So they will be more powerful, eventually, but they will always be behind PCs.

(sigh) Am I the only person on God's green earth that understands that graphical power has nothing to do with how good the games are?

I am?

Well, my mom always said I was special.

Steven Bogos:

Nintendo has been very quiet on info regarding its new Switch console, but the folks over at Venture Beat reportedly have the scoop on one of the most important details: the specifications. The big news is that the Switch apparently uses the older Maxwell Tegra chips, rather than the more powerful Pascal ones that were released this year. This means that the machine won't even be as powerful as the vanilla PS4.

Uhh, unless I'm missing a trick, the vanilla PS4 doesn't use the one year old Pascal chips either, due to the vanilla PS4 being developed...*counts on fingers*... more than a year ago.

What's the dealio?

People needs to remember that the problem is not the grapics is not as powerful as the PS4 and Xbone.

The problem is 3rd Party Support because AAA developers love to push graphics and the latest technology.

EndlessSporadic:
Once again Nintendo is behind the times and out of touch with anybody outside of their microscopic circle. Nintendo has too much of a business mindset to do well in the games industry. Their draconian practices, artificial scarcity, and blatant disdain for their fans is finally starting to catch up to them and it will quickly sink that ship.

The creators at Nintendo deserve better.

This is what happens to a company has little to no actual competition for most of it's existence and when their target demographic is largely made up of kids too young to know what a good game and a bad game is and are replaced constantly with new kids. Nintendo's consoles are much less powerful because all it's for is making these colorful looking games with little to no actual substance which have barely changed much at all from installment to installment. Breath of the Wild is by all indications the most innovative game Nintendo has made in years, and that's not saying much.

Nintendo grew complacent long ago and now doesn't know how to handle being challenged.

No shit?

It's a handheld. Why do people expect this device to cure cancer?

Karadalis:

"I've literally never seen the console. But I know for a fact that it's flimsy as hell and requires a recharge station". Seems to be what you're saying.

And handhelds are mostly used when travelling. Or to take to small 'events'. It's far more realistic to take a handheld in hand luggage, or to a social gathering, rather than a PS4. It doesn't take a scientist to figure that out. I've carried my 3DS around the University campus in my town a couple of times. I got enough streetpass hits to attest to the fact that people are still carrying them.

I thought this was already established. Not sure why it's portrayed as doomed to fail reveal.

Cold Shiny:
(sigh) Am I the only person on God's green earth that understands that graphical power has nothing to do with how good the games are?

I am?

Well, my mom always said I was special.

I agree, their games always look great because they know how to use what they have got and play well since they make that their priority. However, the third party support will suffer, since they don't know how to do anything but try push the limits on the visuals etc. That's why this might fail, it needs to be something third party devs can make stuff for without making a special version. That's where the problem lies.

As someone who bought and enjoys their Wii U, the lack of third party was an issue for the system, luckily I have a gaming PC as well.

Xsjadoblayde:
I thought this was already established. Not sure why it's portrayed as doomed to fail reveal.

I'm not sure either, people seem to want Nintendo to fail for some reason I guess? I don't know.

Cold Shiny:
(sigh) Am I the only person on God's green earth that understands that graphical power has nothing to do with how good the games are?

No, you're not the only person.

Though, you do seem to be one of those people that make the incorrect assumption that improvements to hardware capabilities are only about graphical fidelity.

Karadalis:
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These are but a few of the issues I've foreseen as potentialities for the Switch. I'd discuss some of the others but I would really rather not have the Nintendo Apologist Brigade other posters jump down my throat for daring to speculate.[1]

[1] For the record, I also foresee a lot of potential positives with the system, so I'm not all doom-and-gloom about it.

Yes, it's a handheld. What did you expect?

Kibeth41:
It's a handheld. Why do people expect this device to cure cancer?

We are at the point where graphics seem to be the most important factor in games. If the Switch can't deliver, then it won't find mainstream acceptance.

Cold Shiny:
(sigh) Am I the only person on God's green earth that understands that graphical power has nothing to do with how good the games are?

I am?

Well, my mom always said I was special.

There is a point where graphical power DOES become a requirement for "good" games. For example, if (as someone has mentioned on youtube- coughs- TB.) you got to play the new Zelda game demo on a prototype switch and the game is laggy as fuck, that reduces the quality and enjoyment of the game and gameplay.

If everything feels like slow moving syrup, then thats NOT good... for combat, movement, etc etc etc.

Imagine the Witcher 3 with a framerate of 15 frames a second (shudders)

Do not worry guys, Nvidia won't gimp this one :)

008Zulu:

Steven Bogos:
the publisher wants to replace the failing Wii U and because it wants to strike quickly with its hybrid concept before a competitor can introduce a better product.

Wow. Just wow.

That'd be a new low for Nintendo. Maybe if Nintendo didn't insist on "leaking" all the information about the system so early on, they wouldn't have to bring some half-assed product to market.

TFlops have little to do with real world gaming performance

008Zulu:

Guffe:
If someone who is real tech-savvy sees this, can someone answer me if consoles are going to get much more powerful than the Ps4/Xbox1?

To hear Sony and Microsoft say it, the future of consoles is going to be upgradeable components. At which time they will cease being consoles, and become just very restrictive PCs. So they will be more powerful, eventually, but they will always be behind PCs.

Oh, I have completely missed that :P
Thanks.
And yeah, as you said, console will always be behind computers. Besides, if consoles start with "upgradeable machinery" they will surely make custom pieces which cost a ton more than computer parts.
We'll see where the world of consoles is going soon enough I guess.

Shock horror. Nintendo consoles have never been the most powerful on the market. This isn't so much breaking news as it is confirmation of what we all suspected would be the case. Besides, you probably don't need a Quad-Core EPeen 9000 running at 12.8 CircleJerks to process the textures on the next Paper Mario title. : /

chozo_hybrid:

I agree, their games always look great because they know how to use what they have got and play well since they make that their priority. However, the third party support will suffer, since they don't know how to do anything but try push the limits on the visuals etc.

My own opinion of Nintendo [1] aside, maybe this is more of an issue with third party devs?

I don't understand why most devs are obsessed with looking pretty anyway. It's not an issue for Atlus and look how much profit they make, whereas devs such as Square constantly over bloat their budgets, Tomb Raider sold 3.4 million copies and did not meet expectations. At this point, it feels like any dev that makes games for consoles and pushes graphics before all else must be allergic to money.

Games don't even need to be ultra realistic in order to be pretty, Okami and Windwaker have aged beautifully.

Power was never the main selling point of consoles, it was ease of use. With every generation becoming more and more like restricted PCs, they are destroying the reason for their own existence. If devs want to make the hardware melt, maybe they should just bite the bullet and make PC games.

[1] which is a brutal, love hate relationship because I love their games but hate hate their BS marketing practices

Sony and Microsoft go for strength, Nintendo goes for the better known and less expensive to achieve versatility. This is the "Lateral use of withered technology" that has been a part of Nintendo's philosophy, longer than many of you have been alive.

To echo the dominant sentiment:

1) It's a handheld console.
2) What did you expect?

Well, not surprising at all. But still slightly disappointed. Wouldn't a handheld with the PS4's performance be pretty fucking neat. Especially with Nintendo games on it?
Oh well, as long as it's moderately powerful and doesn't suffer when outside of the docking station, I will be satisfied.

Can the PS4 play Legend of Zelda? No?

Then so what?

But then what do games even use this vague "power" for anyways? Nintendo made games are always nice looking, and I dont care for super high-level visuals. I dont see the difference between the new Skyrim and the old, aside from no way to turn DLC off easily.

I also couldnt tell the difference between the normal and HD versions of Wind Waker, but Wind Waker could be released today as is and look fine as far as Im concerned.

And people need to stop expecting Nintendo to directly compete with Sony and Microsoft. They dont and it is to their advantage. The PS4 and Xbox One are interchangeable at this point. But the Wii U stands out.

Charcharo:
TFlops have little to do with real world gaming performance

I wonder which marketing department first came up with using FLOPS in their marketing. FLOPS are a perfectly fine way to measure the performance of hardware (certainly much better than (M/G)Hz), but it doesn't help anyone for a variety of reasons:

  1. the average gamer doesn't really know what it means
  2. even among those people who do, only very few have a feeling for the order of magnitude
  3. it measures the performance of the hardware, which doesn't tell you a whole lot about the performance of the games running on it later

If you told Joe Averagegamer that two bodies are so and so many aus (astronomical units) apart from one another, it's likely that he won't understand what you mean, even though au is a perfectly fine and unit for measuring distances. The same applies to FLOPS.
Even those people that do understand what FLOPS are, likely won't be able to tell you whether x TFLOPS are a lot or not. That is something that I only expect very few groups of people to understand. People like hardware engineers and programmers working on the two extreme ends of the performance spectrum (e.g. the mars rover and supercomputers).
The correct way to think about FLOPS in regards to how they affect the performance of the games is to think of that figure as the upper limit of what your hardware is capable of. No game will reach that. Not by quite a margin.

Johnny Novgorod:
To echo the dominant sentiment:

1) It's a handheld console.
2) What did you expect?

I blame the marketing departments for banging people over their heads with numbers they don't understand. Be it GHz, megapixels, the number of CPU cores or whatever.

Unless some sort of revolutionary breakthrough in hardware engineering happens, I seriously doubt will ever get a good handheld with hardware that matches that of the PS4.

Well screw you Nintendo.

I didn't have much hope for this console in the first place but now it's right off my list....unless it gets Xeno lade X2 that is

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