[Politics?] Biden has eye hemorrhage during town hall meeting

Yup, he needs to call it quits. Or at least have a damn good VP pick. With that many health problems it's pretty clear he isn't fit to lead.

Also it's kinda telling how the major networks haven't seemed to report on this yet. If it happened to Trump it'd probably be all we'd see (no pun).

World leaders being the main focus of attention while they pull all of us down the toilet alongside them in their egocentric pursuit for greed and glory is not only logical, it is of utmost importance that they're kept under close scrutiny. A guy who is not anywhere close to power getting whisked away for a common medical issue is nothing. It isn't an insurmountable challenge to understand the difference.

There's a lot more wrong with the possiblity of Biden running against Trump than any real or imagined health issues. There is something profoundly wrong with a country when its most important election boils down to "Choose your favourite child molester."

A burst blood vessel in the eye, while unnerving to look at, is usually harmless. This isnt something to worry about on it's own.

Joe Biden should not be the chosen candidate for entirely different reasons: his years of baggage, his tepid and uninspiring platform, his misogyny.

*Sigh*, ok this IS a politics thread so I guess someone has to get the ball of contention rolling. *ahem*:

What you witnessed here was merely a swelling of national pride so great that it culminated in a rupture in the very organ with which Biden envisions our bright future under his leadership. Biden for President in 2020; if you disagree with or think differently from me, 'tis but evidence of your questionable parentage.

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hanselthecaretaker:
Yup, he needs to call it quits. Or at least have a damn good VP pick. With that many health problems it's pretty clear he isn?t fit to lead.

A burst blood vessel is the least of the reasons Biden should drop out. No, a "damn good" VP pick isn't sufficient.

Silvanus:
A burst blood vessel in the eye, while unnerving to look at, is usually harmless. This isnt something to worry about on it's own.

Joe Biden should not be the chosen candidate for entirely different reasons: his years of baggage, his tepid and uninspiring platform, his misogyny.

... the videos of him sniffing the hair of uncomfortable children, the addled statements that can easily be construed as dementia...

I had a mild one of these about a month ago, it's usually no big deal.

hanselthecaretaker:
Yup, he needs to call it quits. Or at least have a damn good VP pick. With that many health problems it?s pretty clear he isn?t fit to lead.

Also it?s kinda telling how the major networks haven?t seemed to report on this yet. If it happened to Trump it?d probably be all we?d see (no pun).

Not wanting to be ageist, but I have no idea why the USA seems to have such a hard-on for over-70s to rule the roost. That's the sort of age most people have been long since been kicked out of work.

Agema:

Not wanting to be ageist, but I have no idea why the USA seems to have such a hard-on for over-70s to rule the roost. That's the sort of age most people have been long since been kicked out of work.

Well... not in Tory Britain it won't be!

Can we please make candidates do a mental and health screening if they choose to run? It's not ageism since Bernie is older than Biden, but he is clearly more healthy than Biden.

Marik2:
Can we please make candidates do a mental and health screening if they choose to run? It's not ageism since Bernie is older than Biden, but he is clearly more healthy than Biden.

Just let people who aren't a million years old do the job.

Baffle2:

Marik2:
Can we please make candidates do a mental and health screening if they choose to run? It's not ageism since Bernie is older than Biden, but he is clearly more healthy than Biden.

Just let people who aren't a million years old do the job.

I don't care how old someone is if they want the job. What matters is if they show signs of dementia or anything negative that would influence decision making.

Marik2:
Can we please make candidates do a mental and health screening if they choose to run?

Done by who, the current US government?

Marik2:

Baffle2:

Marik2:
Can we please make candidates do a mental and health screening if they choose to run? It's not ageism since Bernie is older than Biden, but he is clearly more healthy than Biden.

Just let people who aren't a million years old do the job.

I don't care how old someone is if they want the job. What matters is if they show signs of dementia or anything negative that would influence decision making.

Which basically disqualifies Trump off the bat. I can't for the life of me see how his followers can see Hillary Cough and decide she's not healthy enough to be President, but their Bro currently in the White House shows clear signs of either Dementia or some kind of Untreated Mental Illness and they're fine with laughing it off.

Then again, the same people give El Cheeto a pass for the same things they claim to hate about Hillary. Apparently the R next to his name really is the only thing they care about.

Yeah, I would like to see Health Screenings, Tax Return, every deal/holding you've ever made in a public/private capacity that could remotely relate to your candidacy, your donors, etc.

You want to run the Country, there should be total transparency just who you are and who you have connections with.

Marik2:

I don't care how old someone is if they want the job. What matters is if they show signs of dementia or anything negative that would influence decision making.

If I were to be harsh, old age is a negative effect on decision making. How old can someone be and still be a contender for world chess champion? Probably about 45, tops. You're on the downhill much earlier than 45, and it's going to get worse faster as you get older.

Old age is inevitably accompanied by cognitive decline. That doesn't mean that 70 or 80-year-olds can't be very, very sharp, but they necssarily have worse memories, less concentration and attentiveness than they used to, and less mental flexibility. What is the "sweet spot" of accumulated knowledge without aged-related decline? I'm sure it varies, and I'm sure plenty of 70-something are suitable to be presidents and prime ministers. But a little part of me says 70 should be around the time senior politicians think about giving up their ambiitions.

Agema:

Marik2:

I don't care how old someone is if they want the job. What matters is if they show signs of dementia or anything negative that would influence decision making.

If I were to be harsh, old age is a negative effect on decision making. How old can someone be and still be a contender for world chess champion? Probably about 45, tops. You're on the downhill much earlier than 45, and it's going to get worse faster as you get older.

Old age is inevitably accompanied by cognitive decline. That doesn't mean that 70 or 80-year-olds can't be very, very sharp, but they necssarily have worse memories, less concentration and attentiveness than they used to, and less mental flexibility. What is the "sweet spot" of accumulated knowledge without aged-related decline? I'm sure it varies, and I'm sure plenty of 70-something are suitable to be presidents and prime ministers. But a little part of me says 70 should be around the time senior politicians think about giving up their ambiitions.

Perhaps. But such concerns seem easily overridden by other considerations.

Obviously not in the case of Joe Biden.

Seanchaidh:

Agema:

Marik2:

I don't care how old someone is if they want the job. What matters is if they show signs of dementia or anything negative that would influence decision making.

If I were to be harsh, old age is a negative effect on decision making. How old can someone be and still be a contender for world chess champion? Probably about 45, tops. You're on the downhill much earlier than 45, and it's going to get worse faster as you get older.

Old age is inevitably accompanied by cognitive decline. That doesn't mean that 70 or 80-year-olds can't be very, very sharp, but they necssarily have worse memories, less concentration and attentiveness than they used to, and less mental flexibility. What is the "sweet spot" of accumulated knowledge without aged-related decline? I'm sure it varies, and I'm sure plenty of 70-something are suitable to be presidents and prime ministers. But a little part of me says 70 should be around the time senior politicians think about giving up their ambiitions.

Perhaps. But such concerns seem easily overridden by other considerations.

Obviously not in the case of Joe Biden.

I keep thinking that if Biden had run in 2016, he might have gotten the nomination instead of Hillary and we might have been spared Trump. I understand his son died at the time and I feel for him on that, but now it feels like there's a sense of "My Turn now. I'm owed this".

Majestic Manatee:
World leaders being the main focus of attention while they pull all of us down the toilet alongside them in their egocentric pursuit for greed and glory is not only logical, it is of utmost importance that they're kept under close scrutiny.

If it had happened to Trump during the last election, it still would have been all we'd see or hear about for at least a couple of days.

Seanchaidh:
... the videos of him sniffing the hair of uncomfortable children, the addled statements that can easily be construed as dementia...

Yeh, there are quite a few of those, not quite as many as Trump has made, but that's not a high bar.

Dalisclock:

Seanchaidh:

Agema:

If I were to be harsh, old age is a negative effect on decision making. How old can someone be and still be a contender for world chess champion? Probably about 45, tops. You're on the downhill much earlier than 45, and it's going to get worse faster as you get older.

Old age is inevitably accompanied by cognitive decline. That doesn't mean that 70 or 80-year-olds can't be very, very sharp, but they necssarily have worse memories, less concentration and attentiveness than they used to, and less mental flexibility. What is the "sweet spot" of accumulated knowledge without aged-related decline? I'm sure it varies, and I'm sure plenty of 70-something are suitable to be presidents and prime ministers. But a little part of me says 70 should be around the time senior politicians think about giving up their ambiitions.

Perhaps. But such concerns seem easily overridden by other considerations.

Obviously not in the case of Joe Biden.

I keep thinking that if Biden had run in 2016, he might have gotten the nomination instead of Hillary and we might have been spared Trump.

He might have cut into Hillary's support, but she had locked down the democratic party elite very early. I don't think he'd have won the primary and his politics are so similar to Hillary's that I'm not sure he'd have fared any better in the general.

Dalisclock:
I understand his son died at the time and I feel for him on that, but now it feels like there's a sense of "My Turn now. I'm owed this".

Sounds familiar.

Schadrach:
Yeh, there are quite a few of those, not quite as many as Trump has made, but that's not a high bar.

Indeed not.

Seanchaidh:

He might have cut into Hillary's support, but she had locked down the democratic party elite very early. I don't think he'd have won the primary and his politics are so similar to Hillary's that I'm not sure he'd have fared any better in the general.

What he might have done is been more appealing to certain sectors of the populace that moved towards Trump in some key states.

He makes me miss Hillary Clinton.

The only people who support him are baby boomers who want to protect their money from us. Well, guess what old people, if we don't have enough money. (Gen-Z, millennials) We can't pay your pensions. (social security, medicare)

Checkmate.

Agema:

Seanchaidh:

He might have cut into Hillary's support, but she had locked down the democratic party elite very early. I don't think he'd have won the primary and his politics are so similar to Hillary's that I'm not sure he'd have fared any better in the general.

What he might have done is been more appealing to certain sectors of the populace that moved towards Trump in some key states.

I don't think Biden inspires the same amount of Loathing in the right that Hillary did/does. I have no love for her(and voted for her just to block Trump) but I remember as far back as the 1990's when the Right decided they despised her and never let it go.

But yeah, Hillary more or less rigging the primary to win when she probably didn't need to didn't help matters. Hiring Debbie Wassermann -Schultz also didn't help either.

Agema:

Seanchaidh:

He might have cut into Hillary's support, but she had locked down the democratic party elite very early. I don't think he'd have won the primary and his politics are so similar to Hillary's that I'm not sure he'd have fared any better in the general.

What he might have done is been more appealing to certain sectors of the populace that moved towards Trump in some key states.

That could easily have gone the other way. There's a reason he's never won a Presidential primary.

He has some very weird unforced errors (e.g. copying a Labour MP (Neil Kinnock's) life story and falsely claiming it for himself, casual racism, creepy behavior on video) not to mention being even more right wing than Hillary Clinton when it comes to mass incarceration, bankruptcy law, and so forth.

Dalisclock:

I don't think Biden inspires the same amount of Loathing in the right that Hillary did/does. I have no love for her(and voted for her just to block Trump) but I remember as far back as the 1990's when the Right decided they despised her and never let it go.

To be fair, Hillary Clinton is a loathsome power-hungry psychopath, and Joe Biden isn't any of those things.

It's ok, everyone can relax, Warren is going to win the primary anyway.

tstorm823:

Dalisclock:

I don't think Biden inspires the same amount of Loathing in the right that Hillary did/does. I have no love for her(and voted for her just to block Trump) but I remember as far back as the 1990's when the Right decided they despised her and never let it go.

To be fair, Hillary Clinton is a loathsome power-hungry psychopath, and Joe Biden isn't any of those things.

Perhaps not if you don't inspect him too closely?

tstorm823:
It's ok, everyone can relax, Warren is going to win the primary anyway.

She certainly has the media's support.

This might be a problem for her, though:

Seanchaidh:

Perhaps not if you don't inspect him too closely?

I mean, Joe Biden is a boob. The closer you inspect him, the more of a doofus he seems. It's hard to hate him or think he hate others, he's just such a boob.

She certainly has the media's support.

Oh yeah. She's got the media attention, and she's got a slogan basically designed to mock Bernie. As soon as Biden starts losing states and people start to worry he's not as electable as they thought, Warren is where they'll jump ship to. I just hope that if she makes it to the oval office, she stops pretending she's female Bernie Sanders, cause I'm pretty sure you'd agree with me that she's not putting on a good act.

tstorm823:
As soon as Biden starts losing states and people start to worry he's not as electable as they thought, Warren is where they'll jump ship to.

Not according to polls.

Seanchaidh:

tstorm823:
As soon as Biden starts losing states and people start to worry he's not as electable as they thought, Warren is where they'll jump ship to.

Not according to polls.

Is it just me, or is it weird to see "political intelligence" written next to a donkey?

Also, Andrew Yang, "business person." Um, okay...

tstorm823:
I mean, Joe Biden is a boob. The closer you inspect him, the more of a doofus he seems. It's hard to hate him or think he hate others, he's just such a boob.

Not necessarily a bad trait in a politician, when you consider that many people are likely to vote on a basis close to "I wouldn't mind having a chat over a pint with that guy".

Hawki:
Also, Andrew Yang, "business person." Um, okay...

I mean, what else would you call him when describing his political background for a poll? "Other"? The other names have their current or highest office listed.

Personally, I'd like to see Sanders/Yang 2020. Because while I support most of Yang's ideas, he doesn't have the experience or recognizability to win and be effective as President (though he does have that "every time he opens his mouth he gets more popular" bit going like Sanders had last time), but a term or two as VP might actually give him that. I'd make do with something like Sanders/Warren, Warren/Sanders or Warren/Yang (in order of preference).

Hawki:

Seanchaidh:

tstorm823:
As soon as Biden starts losing states and people start to worry he's not as electable as they thought, Warren is where they'll jump ship to.

Not according to polls.

Is it just me, or is it weird to see "political intelligence" written next to a donkey?

Also, Andrew Yang, "business person." Um, okay...

I guess they are trying to dumb things down for people who don't know what an entrepreneur is.

Marik2:

Hawki:

Seanchaidh:

Not according to polls.

Is it just me, or is it weird to see "political intelligence" written next to a donkey?

Also, Andrew Yang, "business person." Um, okay...

I guess they are trying to dumb things down for people who don't know what an entrepreneur is.

A businessperson is someone who has people do things for them to make money.
An entrepreneur is someone who has people do things for them to make money, but like riskier and stuff.

Seanchaidh:

Marik2:

Hawki:

Is it just me, or is it weird to see "political intelligence" written next to a donkey?

Also, Andrew Yang, "business person." Um, okay...

I guess they are trying to dumb things down for people who don't know what an entrepreneur is.

A businessperson is someone who has people do things for them to make money.
An entrepreneur is someone who has people do things for them to make money, but like riskier and stuff.

He's been calling himself an entrepreneur from the beginning. They might as well just call him that.

 

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