Sony implements new policy censoring Japanese games for possible fanservice content

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If I didn't already hold people into the neptunia for their lack of taste, the sheer pearl clutching the same audience just further makes me think of them in pure contempt

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2018/12/brave-neptunia-on-ps4-gets-censored-nintendo-switch-version-remains-uncensored/73909/

As part of the efforts by Sony to push out the audience that nearly killed JRPGs. They have removed a panty shot and you can predict the usual reactions.

Fun fact, this was made by a Canadian studio and Canadians get as much love as Swedes by those kind of people for being actual decent human beings.

I just...I can't imagine dying on this hill.

(Is image posting broken?)
https://imgur.com/a/WHqMqD1

I have doubts, but I hope this is a start towards toning down the sexualization of underage characters, and perhaps female characters in general. It's already bad enough to see screen shots of games with this type of stuff, but it's worse when it infects games that I like. Trails of Cold Steel, especially the 2nd one, has it's problems, and adding certain outfits to characters who are underage is a problem. A war is going on but lets have a 15 year old showing her midriff and a 13 year old wearing no pants. With the 13 year old let's make a joke how the MC maybe did something lewd with her.

Super Cyborg:
I have doubts, but I hope this is a start towards toning down the sexualization of underage characters, and perhaps female characters in general. It's already bad enough to see screen shots of games with this type of stuff, but it's worse when it infects games that I like. Trails of Cold Steel, especially the 2nd one, has it's problems, and adding certain outfits to characters who are underage is a problem. A war is going on but lets have a 15 year old showing her midriff and a 13 year old wearing no pants. With the 13 year old let's make a joke how the MC maybe did something lewd with her.

Rean is also a year 1 student (so he's 15-16 too) so it's not that out there actually. If anything, the practically underage incest in Trails in the Sky is quite a bit iffier than anything in cold steel haha.

If anything it's the opposite, with Steam now being the flagbearer which allows uncensored games that were even censored in Japan to be brought over(and surprisingly the Switch keeping up like one would have expected the ps4 would). We can't post images any more it seems so link will have to do;

*meanwhile on steam*: https://i.imgtc.com/2VsIMTi.png

Dreiko:

Super Cyborg:
I have doubts, but I hope this is a start towards toning down the sexualization of underage characters, and perhaps female characters in general. It's already bad enough to see screen shots of games with this type of stuff, but it's worse when it infects games that I like. Trails of Cold Steel, especially the 2nd one, has it's problems, and adding certain outfits to characters who are underage is a problem. A war is going on but lets have a 15 year old showing her midriff and a 13 year old wearing no pants. With the 13 year old let's make a joke how the MC maybe did something lewd with her.

Rean is also a year 1 student (so he's 15-16 too) so it's not that out there actually. If anything, the practically underage incest in Trails in the Sky is quite a bit iffier than anything in cold steel haha.

If anything it's the opposite, with Steam now being the flagbearer which allows uncensored games that were even censored in Japan to be brought over(and surprisingly the Switch keeping up like one would have expected the ps4 would). We can't post images any more it seems so link will have to do;

*meanwhile on steam*: https://i.imgtc.com/2VsIMTi.png

Not gonna lie, this nearly made me spit out my drink!

sounds fair enough, to me. Kinda like every other time this exact thing comes up. Artists are allowed to create what they want, and if they want to sell that art through a third party, the third party has the right to stipulate what it will and won't carry.

If Sony were arranging to have developers fined or imprisoned for impugning the rights of fictional characters,then I could see myself agreeing with the enraged, but as it is? If you're a publisher, you have the right to accept or reject whatever project you please, for whatever reason you please.

if you're a japanese game dev and you want your child groping minigame to remain intact, then just find a different publisher. Ditto if you're a consumer who desires the same. Morality aside, if there's a strong enough demand for something, there'll be someone willing to supply it.

Sony making this a global policy is certainly a new spin on this tired, tired internet argument, though. I have no opinion on it one way or the other, but it's rare to see such a sweeping reform enacted.

Dreiko:

Rean is also a year 1 student (so he's 15-16 too) so it's not that out there actually. If anything, the practically underage incest in Trails in the Sky is quite a bit iffier than anything in cold steel haha.

If anything it's the opposite, with Steam now being the flagbearer which allows uncensored games that were even censored in Japan to be brought over(and surprisingly the Switch keeping up like one would have expected the ps4 would). We can't post images any more it seems so link will have to do;

*meanwhile on steam*: https://i.imgtc.com/2VsIMTi.png

I don't want to get into a long argument because I've seen how they go and it never ends well. I will say it's not the worst thing and they at least have the decency to not have the camera ogle them. Still, just because Rean is around the same age as Fie does not mean that characters of the same age have to be wearing clothes that show off a lot of skin. As for the incest part, no defense of that but all things considered that aspect didn't bother me in sky. Though if we want to be fair and transparent, there is an incest theme with Elise and Rean in Cold Steel, and they were adopted siblings at a much younger age compared to Estelle and Josh. I don't mind the whole Elise/Rean thing in the long run, but it's only annoying since there is the whole Harem thing going on and that is a trope that needs to die in a fire, especially for a series that has a serious story going on.

Super Cyborg:

Dreiko:

Rean is also a year 1 student (so he's 15-16 too) so it's not that out there actually. If anything, the practically underage incest in Trails in the Sky is quite a bit iffier than anything in cold steel haha.

If anything it's the opposite, with Steam now being the flagbearer which allows uncensored games that were even censored in Japan to be brought over(and surprisingly the Switch keeping up like one would have expected the ps4 would). We can't post images any more it seems so link will have to do;

*meanwhile on steam*: https://i.imgtc.com/2VsIMTi.png

I don't want to get into a long argument because I've seen how they go and it never ends well. I will say it's not the worst thing and they at least have the decency to not have the camera ogle them. Still, just because Rean is around the same age as Fie does not mean that characters of the same age have to be wearing clothes that show off a lot of skin. As for the incest part, no defense of that but all things considered that aspect didn't bother me in sky. Though if we want to be fair and transparent, there is an incest theme with Elise and Rean in Cold Steel, and they were adopted siblings at a much younger age compared to Estelle and Josh. I don't mind the whole Elise/Rean thing in the long run, but it's only annoying since there is the whole Harem thing going on and that is a trope that needs to die in a fire, especially for a series that has a serious story going on.

I'd just say that it's a whole lot better than the Agate/Tita teased romance haha.

I believe the main difference is that in trails in the sky they very much consummate the relationship and not just tease it for jokes and titillation and while Estelle didn't know Joshua for as long they did still grow up together as siblings and she calls him her brother even while pursuing him. Though I definitely agree with it not being something that bothered me like you say. It's just one of those things where if one is trying to hover over games with a microscope and find something to clutch their pearls over they'd be likely to notice.

Maybe the difference is that since Estelle is the protagonist and she's the one pursuing the semi-incestuous relationship we see it as somewhat more innocent and less predatory by instinct than when there's a male hero, though that's a definite logical fallacy haha.

But yeah this is getting pretty off-topic now. We need more anger at Sony (or Soyny as I am amused to discover people call it now haha)

balladbird:
sounds fair enough, to me. Kinda like every other time this exact thing comes up. Artists are allowed to create what they want, and if they want to sell that art through a third party, the third party has the right to stipulate what it will and won't carry.

If Sony were arranging to have developers fined or imprisoned for impugning the rights of fictional characters,then I could see myself agreeing with the enraged, but as it is? If you're a publisher, you have the right to accept or reject whatever project you please, for whatever reason you please.

if you're a japanese game dev and you want your child groping minigame to remain intact, then just find a different publisher. Ditto if you're a consumer who desires the same. Morality aside, if there's a strong enough demand for something, there'll be someone willing to supply it.

Sony making this a global policy is certainly a new spin on this tired, tired internet argument, though. I have no opinion on it one way or the other, but it's rare to see such a sweeping reform enacted.

Look at the western devs right now. Are there any games this year that panders to the same audience who buys these fanservice heavy games? Of corse not, because unless Compile Heart they are actual decent human beings who arent writing with whats between their legs.

Meanwhile a good part of Japan is stuck firmly in a neverending era of 80s nostalgia fueled by an audience who considers growing up to social justice and progressive pandering

altnameJag:
I just...I can't imagine dying on this hill.

(Is image posting broken?)
https://imgur.com/a/WHqMqD1

i cant even figure out what's different about the first one

undeadsuitor:

altnameJag:
I just...I can't imagine dying on this hill.

(Is image posting broken?)
https://imgur.com/a/WHqMqD1

i cant even figure out what's different about the first one

You can barely see her panties in the right hand side. Need to level up that perv-vision XD.

Dreiko:

*meanwhile on steam*: https://i.imgtc.com/2VsIMTi.png

Abd then ask why are certain devs swithing to the Epic storefront aside from better roalties? Because they will promise quality control and not be a storefront for shovelware and trashy VNs. Quality matters to a self respecting dev and Epic knows that.

altnameJag:
I just...I can't imagine dying on this hill.

(Is image posting broken?)
https://imgur.com/a/WHqMqD1

What did you expect from the kind of audience that has OAG as their source of gaming content? A good tip to live by is they are the same people who go to Sankaku Complex for news on anime and Sankaku before OAG supplied them with their daily dose of paranoia about how feminists and decent human beings are here to destroy their way of life.

That one's an actual big deal since they're not just altering one part of a game but redesigning it from the top down due to the censorious climate. Hopefully they'll manage to make the move to a steam-focused model eventually and be rid of their issues.

It is curious, however, that they specify that it's not just Sony but all platforms that are being affected, since the Switch is going to be releasing Moero Chronicle H soon, even in the west, and that series is quite a bit more direct than SK ever was.

Who knows, maybe 7even was going to be the steamiest SK game to date.

I can see this hurting Sony in the long run as the neiche that would be going for those games are going to be pissed and go strait to pirating.

The main exceptions would be the age range of the charecters being used for cheese cake.

17 year old Riku n Final Fantasy X-2 is one thing. Some of the girls in the images from this page of the thread alone is would get you accused of being a pedo the United States sinse depending on which one you are in the age of consnet is between 16 and 18 years of age, while some countries are lower.

If the characters are largely older, I don't see a problem by and large having it unsensored. If they are lolies or a fourteen yearold with boobs the size of truck tires there is a problem.

gyrobot:
And once again, Takaki mewls about his woeful situation about Senran Kagura and Sony.

https://gematsu.com/2019/02/senran-kagura-7even-original-idea-being-reconsidered-due-to-sexual-content-regulations

And witness the utterly irrelevant people supporting him

https://twitter.com/grummz/status/1092563202427113472

https://twitter.com/UnboundRequiem/status/1092551884370513921

He's really out of touch with the PC market, isn't he? There's plenty of pedo bait. The hard part might be standing out.

Oh good lord. What could their idea possibly have been that they need to do a top down redesign instead of, say, ninja college?
Freaking drama llama.

altnameJag:
Oh good lord. What could their idea possibly have been that they need to do a top down redesign instead of, say, ninja college?
Freaking drama llama.

They already did the wet tshirt contest game and the pinball game. Maybe mud-wrestling?

Dreiko:

altnameJag:
Oh good lord. What could their idea possibly have been that they need to do a top down redesign instead of, say, ninja college?
Freaking drama llama.

They already did the wet tshirt contest game and the pinball game. Maybe mud-wrestling?

A staple of ninja college. This shouldn't be hard

Something Amyss:

gyrobot:
And once again, Takaki mewls about his woeful situation about Senran Kagura and Sony.

https://gematsu.com/2019/02/senran-kagura-7even-original-idea-being-reconsidered-due-to-sexual-content-regulations

And witness the utterly irrelevant people supporting him

https://twitter.com/grummz/status/1092563202427113472

https://twitter.com/UnboundRequiem/status/1092551884370513921

He's really out of touch with the PC market, isn't he? There's plenty of pedo bait. The hard part might be standing out.

Computer or Politically Correct Market?

saint of m:
I can see this hurting Sony in the long run as the neiche that would be going for those games are going to be pissed and go strait to pirating.

The main exceptions would be the age range of the charecters being used for cheese cake.

17 year old Riku n Final Fantasy X-2 is one thing. Some of the girls in the images from this page of the thread alone is would get you accused of being a pedo the United States sinse depending on which one you are in the age of consnet is between 16 and 18 years of age, while some countries are lower.

If the characters are largely older, I don't see a problem by and large having it unsensored. If they are lolies or a fourteen yearold with boobs the size of truck tires there is a problem.

Seriously, what is with Sony's arrogance and shooting themselves in the foot? There not only ones to do this, but they seem to do this the most out of all the console makers.

CoCage:

saint of m:
I can see this hurting Sony in the long run as the neiche that would be going for those games are going to be pissed and go strait to pirating.

The main exceptions would be the age range of the charecters being used for cheese cake.

17 year old Riku n Final Fantasy X-2 is one thing. Some of the girls in the images from this page of the thread alone is would get you accused of being a pedo the United States sinse depending on which one you are in the age of consnet is between 16 and 18 years of age, while some countries are lower.

If the characters are largely older, I don't see a problem by and large having it unsensored. If they are lolies or a fourteen yearold with boobs the size of truck tires there is a problem.

Seriously, what is with Sony's arrogance and shooting themselves in the foot? There not only ones to do this, but they seem to do this the most out of all the console makers.

A bunch of companies who made nothing but mediocre games by industry standards whos only redeeming point is keeping a small but dwindling number of fans with questionable taste and reputation buying their game to the rejection of everything else with content fit for 13 yr olds. Believely wholly there is a conspiracy to brainwash them as well.

gyrobot:

Something Amyss:

gyrobot:
And once again, Takaki mewls about his woeful situation about Senran Kagura and Sony.

https://gematsu.com/2019/02/senran-kagura-7even-original-idea-being-reconsidered-due-to-sexual-content-regulations

And witness the utterly irrelevant people supporting him

https://twitter.com/grummz/status/1092563202427113472

https://twitter.com/UnboundRequiem/status/1092551884370513921

He's really out of touch with the PC market, isn't he? There's plenty of pedo bait. The hard part might be standing out.

Computer or Politically Correct Market?

The one that actually exists.

Something Amyss:

gyrobot:

Something Amyss:

He's really out of touch with the PC market, isn't he? There's plenty of pedo bait. The hard part might be standing out.

Computer or Politically Correct Market?

The one that actually exists.

So politically correct ;)

Wow...are we really do desperate to defend pedophilia we'll pretend that computer gaming doesn't exist? Jesus.

Ah yes, the pc pedophilia look at all the victims... oh wait this are bits.

Seriously are people comparing this to actual pedophilia? Wtf?????? Please dont compare this to you know, actual horrible crimes with actual victims

sonofliber:
Ah yes, the pc pedophilia look at all the victims... oh wait this are bits.

Seriously are people comparing this to actual pedophilia? Wtf?????? Please dont compare this to you know, actual horrible crimes with actual victims

Pedophilia is sexual feelings towards children. They are talking about the sexual attraction itself being reprehensible; not about the crimes involved. The comparison is legit.

CaitSeith:

sonofliber:
Ah yes, the pc pedophilia look at all the victims... oh wait this are bits.

Seriously are people comparing this to actual pedophilia? Wtf?????? Please dont compare this to you know, actual horrible crimes with actual victims

Pedophilia is sexual feelings towards children. They are talking about the sexual attraction itself being reprehensible; not about the crimes involved. The comparison is legit.

That definition still makes no sense. Unless the PC games in question are like those present in the Sega CD where you had live action video as "cutscenes" and they contain actual children and not unrealistic/stylized drawings and polygon models that do not resemble nor behave like actual human children.

To make a jump and call people with 2d complex pedos is basically as insane as jumping and calling people who enjoy fps games as people who have "psychopathic murder fantasies" in real life.

It makes you sound like the religious conservatives of the past who blamed school shootings on Doom and bullying on mortal kombat. Only it's a subject that's more taboo to defend so it's easier to get away with cause few people care enough about artistic expression in general or these games in particular to even bother risking being branded as someone who is in support of such games whereas violent media was completely mainstream even back then so people were comfortable in coming out and calling BS.

It's still the same wrong logic being applied here. How icky a game makes you feel isn't something that makes the logic any better, at all.

Dreiko:
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It's not insane if they get sexual feelings from it; but only they can answer that question.

Sorry if I find erotic animations of children icky.

sonofliber:

Seriously are people comparing this to actual pedophilia? Wtf??????

This is actual pedhophilia. What you're doing is conflating pedophilia (by the way, pedophilia isn't a crime) with associated acts. Being turned n by prepubescent bodies doesn't stop being pedophilia because they're digital, but I understand here you're coming from. It's got to be hard to defend creepy dudes who are triggered because they can't get off on kiddies anymore (in their video games specifically, so let's make this look absurd by pretending we're comparing video games to criminal violations.

CaitSeith:

Dreiko:
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It's not insane if they get sexual feelings from it; but only they can answer that question.

Sorry if I find erotic animations of children icky.

See, you just inserted an assumption just now, out of nowhere. Multiple ones in fact. You're assuming people turned on by something in a game or an anime or what have you are also turned on by the real-life equivalent. I assure you a lot of people who are into guro or vore are not into real life decimated bodies and cannibalism.

You also assume that people who play these games do so because they're turned on, when there could be other reasons. When they could be overlooking those elements you find icky because these games have other, worthwhile components that make them worth playing.

You shouldn't be sorry about what you find icky, that's a natural response. You should be sorry for letting that feeling of something being icky cloud your judgement and manifest into an irrational double standard that deems certain content as somehow more pernicious when it's all equally agnostic and harmless in the hands of rational individuals.

You would never take someone who suggested that games that give people a "real murderous desire" are somehow malignant seriously, cause that's an insane thing to put on games which are just entertainment.

Dreiko:
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All that matters is their true feelings (their sexual feelings), and that's something that I can do nothing but assume. The new policy is about removing those elements that supposedly they are already overlooking, so, what am I supposed to think when they make a stink about it?

CaitSeith:

Dreiko:
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All that matters is their true feelings (their sexual feelings), and that's something that I can do nothing but assume. The new policy is about removing those elements that supposedly they are already overlooking, so, what am I supposed to think when they make a stink about it?

I think a more fair assessment is that any removal is aggravating on the principle of censorship being bad. I think the vast majority of people merely dislike that game companies presume to tell them what they can or cannot handle without being corrupted, as though they are not grown adults able to decide that for themselves without outside assistance. It is also aggravating how a move which is in fact just a way of making their brand seem more marketable to shareholders is presented as this very virtuous stance being taken against "sinful content" or whatever the intended inference is. It's quite cynical and as long as Sony doesn't decide to also remove any existing game with similar content from their offerings but only apply this rule to newer games (which will in effect still allow hundreds of purportedly sinful games to be available) it will never be able to ascend to the status of a "core belief" that they seem to want to describe it as.

The funny thing about the "all censorship is bad" model is the deafening silence when a dude in skimpy clothing is covered up, or a same-sex relationship scheduled. But if you take away rape mini-games or underage girls, there will be HELL! to pay.

I'd believe more in the "they don't want to fap to underage girls, they're just against censorship" argument if they actually stepped up when other forms of censorship happens. During the height of the screeching about how all censorship is bad, you could see it in action right here, when those decisions were reported in the news section, and the people up in arms about their precious lolis were suddenly nowhere to be found.

Something Amyss:
The funny thing about the "all censorship is bad" model is the deafening silence when a dude in skimpy clothing is covered up, or a same-sex relationship scheduled. But if you take away rape mini-games or underage girls, there will be HELL! to pay.

I'd believe more in the "they don't want to fap to underage girls, they're just against censorship" argument if they actually stepped up when other forms of censorship happens. During the height of the screeching about how all censorship is bad, you could see it in action right here, when those decisions were reported in the news section, and the people up in arms about their precious lolis were suddenly nowhere to be found.

That's a valid concern. My only explanation is that people who care about this issue don't actually play any gay games so are unaware of the censorship coming that way and perhaps that there's just way fewer instances of such a thing happening to a series known about having sexy dudes. I definitely agree with you that it also ought to be condemned in a similar fashion.

Also I have to say specifically for senran kagura, the fanservice in that series is so comedicly over the top I am suspect anyone actually faps to it. Maybe highly starved young teenagers or something who are just innocent and pure and haven't seen boobs before (in which case it's not creeps since they're that age too).

To me it looks like seriously self-aware slapstick with a sexy twist. Even those removed "touching rooms", all you do there is get yelled at or get insulted for being a creep. In the 3ds game you could use the system's microphone to blow at it like you're blowing out birthday cakes which would make their skirts flutter. It's really just silly stuff. Suggesting it has anything to do with rape is a diminishing of rape.

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