Fallout 76 shitstorm continues; this time with collector's edition

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So apparently they are going to send the bag to the player. I don't understand how things like these happen, they knew going the reception of 76 was going to be tepid at best (even if the game was bug free), they knew people were going to jump on any problem that would happen. How the hell did they not see that coming?

OP Here.

Well, guys, it looks like Bethesda finally caved in; They are promising replacement canvas duffle bags.

https://twitter.com/BethesdaSupport/status/1069713890806849536

Okay, Bethesda, it's a start. But few things you guys are forgetting

1. The duffle bag debacle could've easily been avoided. Canvas isn't that rare nor expensive material
2. Your 500 atoms remedy was a joke
3. The base games suck ass!

sgy0003:
3. The base games suck ass!

It's been heavily discounted several times now. I wonder how long before they just say 'fuck it' and make the thing free-to-play.

You know, pull an Evolve on everyone's asses.

sgy0003:
OP Here.

Well, guys, it looks like Bethesda finally caved in; They are promising replacement canvas duffle bags.

https://twitter.com/BethesdaSupport/status/1069713890806849536

Okay, Bethesda, it's a start. But few things you guys are forgetting

1. The duffle bag debacle could've easily been avoided. Canvas isn't that rare nor expensive material
2. Your 500 atoms remedy was a joke
3. The base games suck ass!

1+2.

What makes it even more egregious is that the collectors edition was $200, apparently. So $60 for the game, however much for the helmet. Honestly, the bag can't have been THAT pricey in comparison and you know you're gonna get shit when you take someone's $200 and decide not to give them exactly what was advertised(other then a working game).

RaikuFA:

Chewster:
This is a pretty impressive albeit not especially surprising bed shitting from Bethesda and I hope they suffer fully for all the drama and hilarious stupidity that has come along with Fallout 76.

On the other hand, Collector's Editions of games are almost always a scam, come with worthless plastic nonsense we don't need so why the hell are people even still buying them?

Last one I bought was Persona 5 and the biggest thing that came with it was a bag that came as advertised and I use it for trips. Rest was a steel book, cd and a cool box I put my magic cards in

I mean, that sounds all right but a lot of the ones I've seen haven't really had anything especially useful IMHO. The last I bought was maybe Grand Theft Auto IV (I got sucked in by the hype) and it came with a flimsy lock box, a small, thin duffel bag that could barely carry anything and an unimpressive art book. I didn't really need any of it. I don't think I ever really used any of it either.

A lot of them seem like a bit of a rip off.

RaikuFA:

Last one I bought was Persona 5 and the biggest thing that came with it was a bag that came as advertised and I use it for trips. Rest was a steel book, cd and a cool box I put my magic cards in

I really hope you have used that bag to carry your cat around at least once:)

sgy0003:
OP Here.

Well, guys, it looks like Bethesda finally caved in; They are promising replacement canvas duffle bags.

https://twitter.com/BethesdaSupport/status/1069713890806849536

Haha....

Replying to @BethesdaSupport

Well your Form is as broken as the game. #unplayable
not only did you not bother to name the Phone # field properly. It won't accept a .pdf file. Can you do nothing right?

https://twitter.com/Geneticus0/status/1069786863555117056

It sounds like bethesda's duffel bag replacement tool on their website had some bug which leaked the personal info of their power armor edition customers somehow. Including credit card info and whatnot. Welp.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/12/05/a-fallout-76-support-glitch-leaked-players-personal-information-for-all-the-world-to-see/#2353779378d6

Similar thing happened to Steam not so long ago.

Dreiko:
It sounds like bethesda's duffel bag replacement tool on their website had some bug which leaked the personal info of their power armor edition customers somehow. Including credit card info and whatnot. Welp.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2018/12/05/a-fallout-76-support-glitch-leaked-players-personal-information-for-all-the-world-to-see/#2353779378d6

Wow, it's just one shit after another, isn't it? How much can things go south?

This cavalcade of errors just gets funnier and funnier.

As someone who knew that Fallout 76 would be garbage from the first mentions of the game I get a gleeful cathartic enjoyment from this. It sucks for everyone who has been repeatedly screwed over by this game, but this is all just comedy gold.

Dirty Hipsters:
This cavalcade of errors just gets funnier and funnier.

As someone who knew that Fallout 76 would be garbage from the first mentions of the game I get a gleeful cathartic enjoyment from this. It sucks for everyone who has been repeatedly screwed over by this game, but this is all just comedy gold.

I was one of those people who instantly stopped caring about this game the moment I heard its premise so I didn't even realize how much reused assets it had from FO4 until it had actually come out and people were posting vids of it. It legitimately looks like a mod you could get for free that they're selling. I don't get what's with bethesda and bad online versions of games, this is actually worse than elder scrolls online, which was a huge disappointment for me at the time too.

It continues further, reddit reports that support tickets leak your information to other bethesda account holders.

ResonanceSD:
It continues further, reddit reports that support tickets leak your information to other bethesda account holders.

First reported on Twitter AFAIK... man, their support website got real screwed over by this, 'cos personal e-mail & actual addresses and card type used to make the purchase got distributed by the public tickets.

The response was so blase... without a single reference to the problem directly, just a cursory 'see it'/'sorted it'... eeesh...

First off, Blizzard: Merry Christmas. Bethesda saw you struggling and came through for you guys big time.

Secondly, I can't even process the amount of groveling that Bethesda will have to do to get back into the good graces with customers now. Those casually into Bethesda games will probably be put off by this. The faithful are rattled. And more importantly... For all intents and purposes, Bethesda are just moderately average game designers.

I love their stories, but that's a writer's job. They are the only Permitted American Euro-Jank Company. And that's not going to cut it any more.

We live in a Post-Witcher world. Ghost of Tsushima, Anthem, Dying Light 2... with every new game, Bethesda's dominance gets replaced with Nostalgia. "Remember when a Bethesda game gave us this sort of feeling?"

Honestly, I think I'm more excited to see what they will attempt to get back into our good graces than I am for any game in their future line-up.

What the hell happened to Bethesda? Did they fire everyone and hire a bunch of tweens off twitter? Like the amount of fuck ups going on ...this isn't a company that could even make launch Skyrim with all the bugs.

Silentpony:
What the hell happened to Bethesda? Did they fire everyone and hire a bunch of tweens off twitter? Like the amount of fuck ups going on ...this isn't a company that could even make launch Skyrim with all the bugs.

Maybe they were always like this and were just better at hiding it. Then again, plenty of gamers let them get away with the buggy messes in Oblivion and Skyrim. As Bethesda kept pushing it and pushing it, the veil begins to crack. Either way, they got too arrogant for their own good. I noticed something was up ever since they tried to sue a guy for selling a copy of Evil within 2 unopened. Even though he bought and paid for it, so therefore he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. And the huge problems with Skyrim on PS3, they've yet to fix at all.

EDIT: I think this is the last time I use Google Speak to reply on forums.

How? Just HOW? HOW DO YOU FUCK UP THIS BADLY?

Maybe Bethesda is trying to pull some bizarre Springtime for Hitler thing where they tank their own company for the insurance money or something?

I think we've offically past Shitstorm and upgraded to a Shit Hurricane here. Hell, what's amazing is that this game probably would have ran a year and been forgotten as a mediocre MMO. Instead, it will be remembered not for the game but for the bizarrely incompetant mess surrounding it. Hell, I saw this story show up in Forbes this morning on my mobile news feed. It's out of the gaming news sphere and into the legit news news territory.

And I can see a lawsuit being filed in the near future over this data breach shit.

CoCage:

Silentpony:
What the hell happened to Bethesda? Did they fire everyone and hire a bunch of tweens off twitter? Like the amount of fuck ups going on ...this isn't a company that could even make launch Skyrim with all the bugs.

Maybe there are always like this and it was just better at hiding it. then again plenty of gamers let them get away with a buggy messes and Oblivion and Skyrim, but but as Bethesda kept pushing it and pushing it, the veil begins to crack. Either way, they got too arrogant for their own good. I noticed something was up ever since they tried to sue a guy for selling a copy of Evil within 2 unopened. Even though he bought and paid for it, so therefore he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. And the huge problem with Skyrim on PS3, they've yet to fix at all.

I dunno, this whole fuck up with F76 feels different. Bethesda has always been bad at making games, sure, but they were never vindictive about. Skyrim was a buggy mess, sure, but the DragonBorn Limited edition didn't ship with a pipecleaner Lydia statue, because the actual sculpted statue in the marketing was too expensive to make.
It feels like they've gone from the Three Stooges of gaming to Snidely Whiplash. They're no longer bumbling around with gaming physics, but actively tying their customers to the train track.

So where are we now that the site to report to for the replacement bags was so messed up that it gave out personal info to other users? Is this the rock-bottom, or do you think they can start digging even deeper still? This is just... I have to imagine someone is getting just destroyed behind a closed door there after the full extent of this fuck-up.

runic knight:
So where are we now that the site to report to for the replacement bags was so messed up that it gave out personal info to other users? Is this the rock-bottom, or do you think they can start digging even deeper still? This is just... I have to imagine someone is getting just destroyed behind a closed door there after the full extent of this fuck-up.

Oh no, this isn't even close to rock bottom. Rock bottom is instead of a refund, Bethesda charges everyone again for the collector's edition, and quietly changes its T&S to say double payments are not refundable, also they legally get your car. And lawyers take them to court, and after 5 years and $500,000 a person in legal fees, the courts rule that Bethesda gets your car every other weekend and Pinkie Pie promises not to have sex in the backseat, unless the spelling of the day they have it ends in Y.

That's close to rock bottom. And its only a few months away.

Silentpony:
Oh no, this isn't even close to rock bottom. Rock bottom is instead of a refund, Bethesda charges everyone again for the collector's edition, and quietly changes its T&S to say double payments are not refundable, also they legally get your car. And lawyers take them to court, and after 5 years and $500,000 a person in legal fees, the courts rule that Bethesda gets your car every other weekend and Pinkie Pie promises not to have sex in the backseat, unless the spelling of the day they have it ends in Y.

That's close to rock bottom. And its only a few months away.

And by that time, Elder Scrolls 6 and Starfield comes out, and your voice gets silenced by hype

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand, the shitstorm that keeps on giving... Christmas edition...

Christmas bundle on sale (emotes which are apparently just image overlays onto the emote wheel, Xmas skins and a camp sign) is the same (discounted) price as the base game... woo?(!)

Oh and Bethesda might be introducing lootbox despite saying they wouldn't be in the game, I mean once your reputation is completly worthless, you might as well cash in.

https://massivelyop.com/2018/12/18/fallout-76-may-be-flipping-on-its-no-lockboxes-vow/

Meiam:
Oh and Bethesda might be introducing lootbox despite saying they wouldn't be in the game, I mean once your reputation is completly worthless, you might as well cash in.

https://massivelyop.com/2018/12/18/fallout-76-may-be-flipping-on-its-no-lockboxes-vow/

Well they aren't getting any new players because their complete ineptitude has scared everyone off from trying the game. Only the most hardcore people are still playing it, so might as well just pump those fans for all the cash they can. Isn't that what the whole "whale" microtransaction economy is all about? It seems like Bethesda has already separated the potential whales out from all the normal players by just having a really shitty product and even worse customer service.

Meiam:
Oh and Bethesda might be introducing lootbox despite saying they wouldn't be in the game, I mean once your reputation is completly worthless, you might as well cash in.

https://massivelyop.com/2018/12/18/fallout-76-may-be-flipping-on-its-no-lockboxes-vow/

It's hard to shake the feeling that Bethesda is competing for some kind of "Most Complete Fiasco" award that I didn't know existed.

It's like they're jealous of EA, Activision and Ubisoft getting all the shitshow attention and felt they'd make a real showing this year.

Dalisclock:

Meiam:
Oh and Bethesda might be introducing lootbox despite saying they wouldn't be in the game, I mean once your reputation is completly worthless, you might as well cash in.

https://massivelyop.com/2018/12/18/fallout-76-may-be-flipping-on-its-no-lockboxes-vow/

It's hard to shake the feeling that Bethesda is competing for some kind of "Most Complete Fiasco" award that I didn't know existed.

It's like they're jealous of EA, Activision and Ubisoft getting all the shitshow attention and felt they'd make a real showing this year.

When's the next Worst Company In America trophy awarded?

And this is where I have to ask; How in the name of atoms did you FUCK THIS UP? "First fully fledged online game" Is not a good excuse; Didn't everyone see how Activision and EA treat Destiny 2 and Battlefront II, respectively? Did they not think "Maybe we should be bit more careful about this?"

And I guess there is no dedicated mod support for FO76 because it's online. Like, why not allow people to host private servers, then?

sgy0003:
And this is where I have to ask; How in the name of atoms did you FUCK THIS UP? "First fully fledged online game" Is not a good excuse; Didn't everyone see how Activision and EA treat Destiny 2 and Battlefront II, respectively? Did they not think "Maybe we should be bit more careful about this?"

And I guess there is no dedicated mod support for FO76 because it's online. Like, why not allow people to host private servers, then?

Because people will buy it because Fallout. People will Pre-order $200 collector editions because Shiney! Why does it matter when people will literally just fork over their money on a promise? And then keep on doing it over and over again because it's the new hot thing.

When people stop rewarding them, they'll stop doing it.

I'm not absolving Bethesda of this. It's still an inexcusible shitshow that no comeptenant company would allow but people let them get away with this shit.

Dalisclock:
Because people will buy it because Fallout. People will Pre-order $200 collector editions because Shiney! Why does it matter when people will literally just fork over their money on a promise? And then keep on doing it over and over again because it's the new hot thing.

When people stop rewarding them, they'll stop doing it.

I'm not absolving Bethesda of this. It's still an inexcusible shitshow that no comeptenant company would allow but people let them get away with this shit.

Honestly, this is the truest statement there is.

However, it's a statement that honestly forgets one imbalance of Gaming. In truth, we have little power.

May I remind everyone about Mass Effect Andromeda? I just got the game for the Holiday Sale on PS4, because I just got a PS4 pro a few weeks ago. It was ten bucks. It had everything, every update, so I figured I'll see for myself how it was.

It's fun. It's more fun than I thought. Some of the more cringey things have been dealt with or taken out. It's clunky for someone like me who loves Titanfall 2, but it's still a hell of a lot better in combat than some of the other Mass Effects.

But some of us voted with our wallets, for the most part. Once word of mouth spread, ME:A moved only 2 million units by the time that EA decided that they were shelving the Franchise for a bit. It was actually a financial success, but just not big as a success as EA wanted.

So here we are. No DLC, and we wondering when we'll ever hear for the Series that reinvigorated the love of Sci-Fi in a lot of us.

Video Game Developers can punish us if we don't go along. Even if they see a profit, if it's not big enough of a profit, they will screw us over. Or, if they made a bad game, like Dawn of War 3. They hold the IPs that we love, and we either pay for the games or never see them again.

Honestly, it's enough to make you want to get another hobby... I'm starting to go that way.

sgy0003:
And this is where I have to ask; How in the name of atoms did you FUCK THIS UP? "First fully fledged online game" Is not a good excuse; Didn't everyone see how Activision and EA treat Destiny 2 and Battlefront II, respectively? Did they not think "Maybe we should be bit more careful about this?"

And I guess there is no dedicated mod support for FO76 because it's online. Like, why not allow people to host private servers, then?

This isn't Bethesda's first fully fledged online game though. They've already published Elder Scrolls Online and have kept it running for 4,5 years. You can sort of forgive Bethesda Games Studios for not learning a lot from ESO, but Bethesda Softworks as the publisher of both should definitely know better. Yet they are making all the same mistakes they did with ESO and then some for good measure, as if they haven't been running a successful MMO for over four years.

So your question is totally warranted. Bethesda Softworks isn't a mid-size publisher anymore and they have experience with multiplayer games.

ObsidianJones:

Dalisclock:
Because people will buy it because Fallout. People will Pre-order $200 collector editions because Shiney! Why does it matter when people will literally just fork over their money on a promise? And then keep on doing it over and over again because it's the new hot thing.

When people stop rewarding them, they'll stop doing it.

I'm not absolving Bethesda of this. It's still an inexcusible shitshow that no comeptenant company would allow but people let them get away with this shit.

Honestly, this is the truest statement there is.

However, it's a statement that honestly forgets one imbalance of Gaming. In truth, we have little power.

May I remind everyone about Mass Effect Andromeda? I just got the game for the Holiday Sale on PS4, because I just got a PS4 pro a few weeks ago. It was ten bucks. It had everything, every update, so I figured I'll see for myself how it was.

It's fun. It's more fun than I thought. Some of the more cringey things have been dealt with or taken out. It's clunky for someone like me who loves Titanfall 2, but it's still a hell of a lot better in combat than some of the other Mass Effects.

But some of us voted with our wallets, for the most part. Once word of mouth spread, ME:A moved only 2 million units by the time that EA decided that they were shelving the Franchise for a bit. It was actually a financial success, but just not big as a success as EA wanted.

So here we are. No DLC, and we wondering when we'll ever hear for the Series that reinvigorated the love of Sci-Fi in a lot of us.

Video Game Developers can punish us if we don't go along. Even if they see a profit, if it's not big enough of a profit, they will screw us over. Or, if they made a bad game, like Dawn of War 3. They hold the IPs that we love, and we either pay for the games or never see them again.

Honestly, it's enough to make you want to get another hobby... I'm starting to go that way.

It's pretty much the dilemmia right now. If they made a game that doesn't make enough money(at least for them), they can kill the frachise stone dead because "it's not profitable enough". If it's bad and people buy it to support the frachise, they can go "Hey, people want more games like this" and feel like they can keep making more crappy games because it's profitable.

Granted, those are the worst case scenarios but a lot of companies tend to want to play to those choices, putting fans into a no win situation where supporting the frachise just enables more bad games and not buying results in the franchise getting put on ice, perhaps forever(or until the rights go to someone else).

In that case, we're stuck with making peace with the fact whatever series had a good run, appreciating what good games we got out of it and start looking for other ones that are similar to fill the gap. I'm not saying it's easy because it's rarely fun to realize all things end and many far sooner then you'd wish.

I grew up in the 1990's, so I remember when Lucasarts was at the top of their game and pretty much created the Adventure game genre(Yeah, Sierra was before them but Sierra didn't quite have the magic LA did). And slowly watched it sucummb to an obsession with doing terrible Star Wars games around the time the Prequels came out. I realized that the games I loved weren't coming back anytime soon(and I was right, because the adventure game genre wouldn't start coming back to life for another decade or so). When Lucasarts was shut down in 2013, I couldn't be sad because to me it had already been dead for years.

sgy0003:
And this is where I have to ask; How in the name of atoms did you FUCK THIS UP? "First fully fledged online game" Is not a good excuse; Didn't everyone see how Activision and EA treat Destiny 2 and Battlefront II, respectively? Did they not think "Maybe we should be bit more careful about this?"

And I guess there is no dedicated mod support for FO76 because it's online. Like, why not allow people to host private servers, then?

This isn't even their first online game. They also did TES online which was a huge letdown to me that I thought would never be surpassed but Fallout was all like "hold my Nukacola".

Dreiko:

This isn't even their first online game. They also did TES online which was a huge letdown to me that I thought would never be surpassed but Fallout was all like "hold my Nukacola".

To be fair to ESO it improved a lot over the first three years of its life and is a pretty fun MMO today. What I find really weird is that Bethesda Softworks, the publisher, would make pretty much the same mistakes again with Fo76. It all lends credence to Shamus Young's theory that Bethesda suffers from terrible management, in that they can't even retain institutional knowledge for 5 years.

Well, I guess this is some kind of apology. Besthesda will give everyone who logged onto FO76 a free copy of Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout: Tactics on PC.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/23/18153911/fallout-76-free-classic-collection-games-pc-bethesda

I mean, it's a better gesture then the $5 of digital currency thing they did a week or so ago, offering free copies of some Good Fallout games, and ones that a lot of people have likely never played. Granted, all 3 of these games are around 20 years old at this point and routinely sell for like $10 so it's not like this costs Bethesda much if anything at this point and I suspect if were interested in playing them, you probably already own them.

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