Dead or Alive 6 Creator Director Shimbori Asks "Why does DoA get so much flak vs. other games?"

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Asita:
...Yes...I wonder why DoA has that reputation but Soul Calibur doesn't...truly it is a mystery that has nothing to do with how they've branded themselves.

Ha! Beat you to it!

(No, but seriously, it amazes me that this is somehow a difficult concept)

Paragon Fury:

Johnny Novgorod:
Soul Calibur
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Dead or Alive
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One of those is from the main series.

The other is from the spin-off.

One of those engendered a spin-off purely around fanservice.

The other didn't.

And yet last week saw yet another Senran Kagura game release on Ps4, a game about beating the clothing off big titted anime girls and nobody has said a fucking word about it.

The point of the flak that DoA gets, is that the game seems to be doing everything it possibly can to call attention to the fanservice aspects of the game. See the other thread about the EVO incident.

I feel like that are blatantly using the outrage culture to their advantage and purposefully causing this press to center around them to bring attention to the upcoming fighting game. As was mentioned before DoA isn't known for being all that great of a fighting game in general and clearly seems to generate more fame and press from it's Xtreme Beach series and news articles about how great the tits look, rather than how good the game is as a fighter. Despite tournament presence.

So I think it we can safely cap the thread by saying that DoA gets more flak because it generates that flak on purpose. Whenever outrage culture freaks out about something, there will always be extra sales that drum up from the free media attention. See literally any other game outright news ever. Mass Effect, GTA, Mortal Kombat, etc. Would any of those games have become the blockbusters they became if there hadn't been so much media press about the "shameful" thing within? Maybe, maybe not, we can never know.

But I can bet there are more than just a couple of people that might not have heard of DoA and will pick it up after all this coverage of how immoral the tits look in it.

Something Amyss:
Ha! Beat you to it!

(No, but seriously, it amazes me that this is somehow a difficult concept)

As I alluded to in the other thread...I think a more interesting question is, how TN and Koei catch almost all the flak while SNK remains the perennial "karma houdini" with regards to the topic, when SNK was actually the company that started this shit in the first place, skimpy costumes, breast jiggle, sexualized advertising, and all.

People kind of looked askance at SNK Heroines, before immediately going back to their default state of bitching about DoA6. This was despite the fact "news" had just "broken" that female proportions, breast bounce, and costumes were being toned down. But, recent trailer footage for the time triggered a whole new wave of "this game fetishizes and objectifies women" based on...how characters get sweaty, dirty, and bruised during fights.

SNK heroines had a few comments, an article here and there about its, ahh, issues with women, but they never got picked up by the culture warriors, because the culture warriors, like most people, didn't care about it. Heck, I saw more posts about trans Terri than anything. Senran Kagura gets a pass because of the same thing: the only time the culture warriors talk about it is when the dev complains about people and platforms thinking you shouldn't have naked kids because it's limiting his artistic freedom or something.

So if the SJWs just don't talk about it, they've got no ammo. So they don't talk about them either, or they end up trying to pass of a half dozen tweets with a dozen retweets between them as some sort of widespread outrage.

So, KT has to directly pander to the outrage merchants. Latest case in point, increasingly sexualized skits at EVO until they wore out the producer's patience, then the culture warriors get to whine about censorship and forced morality or whatever bollocks. Never mind KT got away with hot ladies in cut up outfits slapping each other on the ass.

altnameJag:
SNK heroines had a few comments, an article here and there about its, ahh, issues with women, but they never got picked up by the culture warriors, because the culture warriors, like most people, didn't care about it. Heck, I saw more posts about trans Terri than anything. Senran Kagura gets a pass because of the same thing: the only time the culture warriors talk about it is when the dev complains about people and platforms thinking you shouldn't have naked kids because it's limiting his artistic freedom or something.

So if the SJWs just don't talk about it, they've got no ammo. So they don't talk about them either, or they end up trying to pass of a half dozen tweets with a dozen retweets between them as some sort of widespread outrage.

So, KT has to directly pander to the outrage merchants. Latest case in point, increasingly sexualized skits at EVO until they wore out the producer's patience, then the culture warriors get to whine about censorship and forced morality or whatever bollocks. Never mind KT got away with hot ladies in cut up outfits slapping each other on the ass.

When senran kagura first appeared, game journalsists were bitchingabout it left and right. But after hearing how "bad" the game was, most consumers picked it up and what they found was a fun, decent, brawler. With an interesting story, if they cared to listen. Senran Kagura's case is even more ironic, because it has crossed over with DOA before. Game journalsists that complain about senran kagura again would just be old hat.

Eacaraxe:

Something Amyss:
Ha! Beat you to it!

(No, but seriously, it amazes me that this is somehow a difficult concept)

As I alluded to in the other thread...I think a more interesting question is, how TN and Koei catch almost all the flak while SNK remains the perennial "karma houdini" with regards to the topic, when SNK was actually the company that started this shit in the first place, skimpy costumes, breast jiggle, sexualized advertising, and all.

People kind of looked askance at SNK Heroines, before immediately going back to their default state of bitching about DoA6. This was despite the fact "news" had just "broken" that female proportions, breast bounce, and costumes were being toned down. But, recent trailer footage for the time triggered a whole new wave of "this game fetishizes and objectifies women" based on...how characters get sweaty, dirty, and bruised during fights.

The people who do it first rarely get the name recognition. This is pretty standard.

altnameJag:

So if the SJWs just don't talk about it, they've got no ammo. So they don't talk about them either, or they end up trying to pass of a half dozen tweets with a dozen retweets between them as some sort of widespread outrage.

To be honest, we've seen enough outrage warriors go on about a game because of the premise that the game will "trigger the SJWs" or whatever that there really is no need for this to be a thing. Except, of course, they don't really care about these games in the first place, as you already kind of got at.

There tends to be a meme-ification of outrage, and you can usually track back why a particular game causes the outrage to the same few sites or "influencers" on social media/YouTube. They will use the same talking points and make the same arguments, whether or not they're actually true, because they don't really know about the "controversy" otherwise.

There's a separate argument to be made in terms of longevity; I'm possibly the only person who uses Hatred as an example anymore, because after all the "this will trigger the SJWs!" crap, it didn't have any particular merit. The marketing worked, it proved a fool and his money were soon parted, but beyond that? Well, it wasn't a good game. And you can get a major profit boost on a shitty idea by saying so-and-so won't like it, but there's not much else in terms of depth there. It's telling when so many of the top reviews talk more about screwing the left or supporting the dev than quality of gameplay.

I wonder how many Steam libraries it sits in unplayed because people wanted to burn their money to "trigger the SJWs".

On Senran Kagura, the franchise reached a record sales figure of 1.65 million. I don't know why it's not getting more attention.

CritialGaming:
And yet last week saw yet another Senran Kagura game release on Ps4, a game about beating the clothing off big titted anime girls and nobody has said a fucking word about it.

That one doesn't complain about why it's seen as nothing but fanservice. It knows it is. Hey, if the game wants to be seen as nothing but fanservice, fine. But don't come and fucking complain to me when you focus on nothing but fanservice and then wonder why everyone just sees you as the tit game and laughs when you want to be taken more seriously.

Gordon_4:

Samtemdo8:
Remember the days when Street Fighter went as far as showing a Naked Chun Li taking a shower in the Street Fighter 2 Animated Movie? Ass and Titties fully exposed? Good times...

I remember that; but I more clearly remember her wrecking Vega?s shit par excellence afrerwards more. Hehe, she threw a couch at him and kicked him through a wall.

Seriously one of the best martial arts fights in an anime to this day.

erttheking:

CritialGaming:
And yet last week saw yet another Senran Kagura game release on Ps4, a game about beating the clothing off big titted anime girls and nobody has said a fucking word about it.

That one doesn't complain about why it's seen as nothing but fanservice. It knows it is. Hey, if the game wants to be seen as nothing but fanservice, fine. But don't come and fucking complain to me when you focus on nothing but fanservice and then wonder why everyone just sees you as the tit game and laughs when you want to be taken more seriously.

I mean they really seem to be embracing that view point. As I said above, I feel like they are trying to play up AND play dumb about the fanservice issues to keep themselves on the radar. I know I'm thinking about the game now, which I never would have done otherwise.

Fappy:

Gordon_4:

Samtemdo8:
Remember the days when Street Fighter went as far as showing a Naked Chun Li taking a shower in the Street Fighter 2 Animated Movie? Ass and Titties fully exposed? Good times...

I remember that; but I more clearly remember her wrecking Vega?s shit par excellence afrerwards more. Hehe, she threw a couch at him and kicked him through a wall.

Seriously one of the best martial arts fights in an anime to this day.

Damn straight. The first time I saw the street fighter animated movie was on TBS superstation. My brother and I saw it again a few weeks later on HBO (the uncut version) and neither of us were expecting that shower scene.

Fappy:

Gordon_4:

Samtemdo8:
Remember the days when Street Fighter went as far as showing a Naked Chun Li taking a shower in the Street Fighter 2 Animated Movie? Ass and Titties fully exposed? Good times...

I remember that; but I more clearly remember her wrecking Vega?s shit par excellence afrerwards more. Hehe, she threw a couch at him and kicked him through a wall.

Seriously one of the best martial arts fights in an anime to this day.

Remember when anime characters had bulk? Street Fighter 2: The Animated Movie remembers. Sometimes a little too well (looking at you D.J.), but still, Chun Li at least had some freaking beef on her bones.

CritialGaming:

erttheking:

CritialGaming:
And yet last week saw yet another Senran Kagura game release on Ps4, a game about beating the clothing off big titted anime girls and nobody has said a fucking word about it.

That one doesn't complain about why it's seen as nothing but fanservice. It knows it is. Hey, if the game wants to be seen as nothing but fanservice, fine. But don't come and fucking complain to me when you focus on nothing but fanservice and then wonder why everyone just sees you as the tit game and laughs when you want to be taken more seriously.

I mean they really seem to be embracing that view point. As I said above, I feel like they are trying to play up AND play dumb about the fanservice issues to keep themselves on the radar. I know I'm thinking about the game now, which I never would have done otherwise.

And if that works for them, it's fine, but they're gonna get some level of shit if they only thing they have going for them is fan service. The point of the OP is asking why Soul Calibur doesn't get as much shit about fan service as DoA does. That's because Soul Calibur has other stuff going on.

Casual Shinji:

Fappy:

Gordon_4:

I remember that; but I more clearly remember her wrecking Vega?s shit par excellence afrerwards more. Hehe, she threw a couch at him and kicked him through a wall.

Seriously one of the best martial arts fights in an anime to this day.

Remember when anime characters had bulk? Street Fighter 2: The Animated Movie remembers. Sometimes a little too well (looking at you D.J.), but still, Chun Li at least had some freaking beef on her bones.

Yeah, homogenisation is a huge problem in a lot of recent anime. A lot of the characters are either teenage boys are girls that are super thin. Remember when anime had actual body types for different characters? Sure, there were a lot of muscle-bound ones, but you still had different varieties.

CoCage:

altnameJag:
SNK heroines had a few comments, an article here and there about its, ahh, issues with women, but they never got picked up by the culture warriors, because the culture warriors, like most people, didn't care about it. Heck, I saw more posts about trans Terri than anything. Senran Kagura gets a pass because of the same thing: the only time the culture warriors talk about it is when the dev complains about people and platforms thinking you shouldn't have naked kids because it's limiting his artistic freedom or something.

So if the SJWs just don't talk about it, they've got no ammo. So they don't talk about them either, or they end up trying to pass of a half dozen tweets with a dozen retweets between them as some sort of widespread outrage.

So, KT has to directly pander to the outrage merchants. Latest case in point, increasingly sexualized skits at EVO until they wore out the producer's patience, then the culture warriors get to whine about censorship and forced morality or whatever bollocks. Never mind KT got away with hot ladies in cut up outfits slapping each other on the ass.

When senran kagura first appeared, game journalsists were bitchingabout it left and right. But after hearing how "bad" the game was, most consumers picked it up and what they found was a fun, decent, brawler. With an interesting story, if they cared to listen. Senran Kagura's case is even more ironic, because it has crossed over with DOA before. Game journalsists that complain about senran kagura again would just be old hat.

...were they though? Bitching about it left and right, I mean. The actual "game" entries in the series review at the standard 6-7/10 that Japanese fanservice games tend to inhabit.

Or did they just say that fanservice heavy games featuring 16 year olds was kinda creepy?

altnameJag:

CoCage:

altnameJag:
SNK heroines had a few comments, an article here and there about its, ahh, issues with women, but they never got picked up by the culture warriors, because the culture warriors, like most people, didn't care about it. Heck, I saw more posts about trans Terri than anything. Senran Kagura gets a pass because of the same thing: the only time the culture warriors talk about it is when the dev complains about people and platforms thinking you shouldn't have naked kids because it's limiting his artistic freedom or something.

So if the SJWs just don't talk about it, they've got no ammo. So they don't talk about them either, or they end up trying to pass of a half dozen tweets with a dozen retweets between them as some sort of widespread outrage.

So, KT has to directly pander to the outrage merchants. Latest case in point, increasingly sexualized skits at EVO until they wore out the producer's patience, then the culture warriors get to whine about censorship and forced morality or whatever bollocks. Never mind KT got away with hot ladies in cut up outfits slapping each other on the ass.

When senran kagura first appeared, game journalsists were bitchingabout it left and right. But after hearing how "bad" the game was, most consumers picked it up and what they found was a fun, decent, brawler. With an interesting story, if they cared to listen. Senran Kagura's case is even more ironic, because it has crossed over with DOA before. Game journalsists that complain about senran kagura again would just be old hat.

...were they though? Bitching about it left and right, I mean. The actual "game" entries in the series review at the standard 6-7/10 that Japanese fanservice games tend to inhabit.

Or did they just say that fanservice heavy games featuring 16 year olds was kinda creepy?

Both. From content and gameplay. Now, I can deal without the fan-service, but I usually ignore it anyway. When Senran Kagura first launched digitally on eShop for the States, most of the user ratings were in the 4s or 5's out 5. So that says something about the critical dissonance. Not to mention Marvelous found their niche audience outside of Japan who will buy the games. Hell, it's their most successful series, so SK ain't going away any time soon. The series has been critic proof by this point.

CoCage:

Both. From content and gameplay. Now, I can deal without the fan-service, but I usually ignore it anyway. When Senran Kagura first launched digitally on eShop for the States, most of the user ratings were in the 4s or 5's out 5. So that says something about the critical dissonance. Not to mention Marvelous found their niche audience outside of Japan who will buy the games. Hell, it's their most successful series, so SK ain't going away any time soon. The series has been critic proof by this point.

Yeah, it's firmly entrenched in "fans of the series will like it" at this point. Plus being just about the only Musou Fighter outside Koei Tecmo. "It's a competent brawler where you don't have to fight the Yellow Turban Rebellion and has some dodgy fanservice" seems like an accurate descriptor based on what I played. As far as "critical dissonance" goes...let's just say Estival Versus's 10/10 user reviews tend to come in two flavors: "don't listen to the feminist SJW reviewers" and, I quote "I'm not putting it on a pedestal and saying it's genre defining but it definitely doesn't deserve all the ignorant hate it gets from people. It's a humble little brawler, nothing more and nothing less."

Not what I would call a description for a 10/10 game. I mean, I even looked for articles "bashing" it on Polygon and Kotaku and I didn't really find much, let alone anything that doesn't mesh with my own experience playing it. And, broadly speaking, I like the game well enough.

altnameJag:
Yeah, it's firmly entrenched in "fans of the series will like it" at this point. Plus being just about the only Musou Fighter outside Koei Tecmo. "It's a competent brawler where you don't have to fight the Yellow Turban Rebellion and has some dodgy fanservice" seems like an accurate descriptor based on what I played. As far as "critical dissonance" goes...let's just say Estival Versus's 10/10 user reviews tend to come in two flavors: "don't listen to the feminist SJW reviewers" and, I quote "I'm not putting it on a pedestal and saying it's genre defining but it definitely doesn't deserve all the ignorant hate it gets from people. It's a humble little brawler, nothing more and nothing less."

Not what I would call a description for a 10/10 game. I mean, I even looked for articles "bashing" it on Polygon and Kotaku and I didn't really find much, let alone anything that doesn't mesh with my own experience playing it. And, broadly speaking, I like the game well enough.

Agreed. The games aren't 10/10 (though what game is?). I grew beyond scoring games by the time I turned 20. At this point I tell people buy, wait for a sale, rent, or don't bother when it comes to games. I am glad you enjoy the game.

Well I'm sure the creative director is relieved that DoA is going to get shit for other reasons now.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1033490/DOA6_Season_Pass_1/

What the FUCK is this!?

erttheking:
Well I'm sure the creative director is relieved that DoA is going to get shit for other reasons now.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1033490/DOA6_Season_Pass_1/

What the FUCK is this!?

It's always been funny to me how male gamers decry female involvement in game design due to the fear that women will be pandered to, thus making games worse off by whatever 'female sensibilities' will be casted to.

... yet the biggest thing in gaming is fucking dress up, a style of play girls outgrow when they are ten...

erttheking:
Well I'm sure the creative director is relieved that DoA is going to get shit for other reasons now.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1033490/DOA6_Season_Pass_1/

What the FUCK is this!?

DOA 6 is becoming the video game equivalent of that surprised Pikachu meme.

erttheking:
Well I'm sure the creative director is relieved that DoA is going to get shit for other reasons now.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1033490/DOA6_Season_Pass_1/

What the FUCK is this!?

DOA has been counting on triggered gamers to empty their wallets to protest "SJWs" for a while now.

Something Amyss:

DOA has been counting on triggered gamers to empty their wallets to protest "SJWs" for a while now.

That has nothing to do with it. Koei Tecmo has been pumping out massive amounts of DLC at crazy prices for ages now. Look at any number of the DLC available for the Dynasty Warriors games.

erttheking:
Well I'm sure the creative director is relieved that DoA is going to get shit for other reasons now.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1033490/DOA6_Season_Pass_1/

What the FUCK is this!?

I freaking called it. And some people (you know who you are) on this forum and a previous DOA6 topic, were worried about slightly less fan service.

CritialGaming:

Something Amyss:

DOA has been counting on triggered gamers to empty their wallets to protest "SJWs" for a while now.

That has nothing to do with it. Koei Tecmo has been pumping out massive amounts of DLC at crazy prices for ages now. Look at any number of the DLC available for the Dynasty Warriors games.

It can be both.

erttheking:
It can be both.

Not can be. Literally is.

erttheking:

It can be both.

Something Amyss:

Not can be. Literally is.

The Earth could be flat too.

Japan does NOT have a clear awareness of western SJW culture, they don't understand it. There are clips and videos all over youtube of people interviewing Japanese people about some Western-based SJW outrage thing, they don't have the same grasp of what is "offensive".

So I do not believe that this DLC overpricing/overflow has anything to do with some anti-sjw agenda.

You are chasing ghosts, and labeling things that aren't there.

It's a shitty business practice plain and simple. There is no other evil reasoning behind it.

https://i.imgflip.com/1n2hie.jpg

Honestly just buy the 2 new characters seperately.

Do costumes really matter to you guys?

Paragon Fury:
Interview with Shimbori. WARNING: LINK IS NSFW SITE. RELEVANT PART OF THE INTERVIEW QUOTED BELOW

Interviewer: I'm sure you play other fighting games. Have you played Soul Calibur VI?

Shimbori: I have.

Interviewer: They went pretty far with the fanservice, and they seem to not have any problems...

Shimbori: The reason why they get away (with) it is one of the big mysteries of the world. Soul Calibur can do it and doesn't get a beating over it, but even when Dead or Alive doesn't do it, it still gets criticized.

If anyone can tell me why this happens, and how to fix it, please introduce them to me (laughs).

And it's actually a fairly good question; SC has been a fairly provocative series for almost as long as DoA has, including adding clothing destruction down to everyone fighting down in their skivvies WAY before DoA introduced even mild destruction, and has had fairly direct ads with Ivy compared to DoA's ads (except that one with the wall in Japan).

Yet other than some bashing on Ivy, SC generally gets away scot-free while DoA gets lambasted at every turn when it comes up. Even more so than explicitly sexual games like Senran Kagura, Sonicomi etc.

But the first DOA Volleyball was reviewed somewhat favourably by the GJ crowd. Basically it pays for these fuckwits to pretend like the backlash against their exploitative practices and generally shitty PR is merely somehow just people taking a problem with the aesthetics. They are quite literally taking you for a ride and buying their bullshit that is patently bullshit.

Like how shoddy and re-packaged DOA volleyball games afterwards, like their garbage wank with PlayAsia. Like their nonsense over localization. Right down to charging 100 USD for a Season One Pass.

But clearly people hating on them couldn't be because of any of that...

CritialGaming:

The Earth could be flat too.

Japan does NOT have a clear awareness of western SJW culture, they don't understand it. There are clips and videos all over youtube of people interviewing Japanese people about some Western-based SJW outrage thing, they don't have the same grasp of what is "offensive".

So I do not believe that this DLC overpricing/overflow has anything to do with some anti-sjw agenda.

They literally courted the whole anti-SJW thing in orer to try to drive up preorders for a garbage game hat was going to be reviewed badly anyways because it was a shoddy dumpster fire of a product that took them two seconds to slap together. If your criticism had any validity, it would have been reflected how Western game journos reviewed the first DOA:VB. Which was reviewed favourably.

It's almost as if they wanted to get away doing fuck all work and using 'games as a service' economy, locking away past game characters, and journos responding poorly to that frankly fucking garbage policy were somehow on a culture war.

Remember the PlayAsia nonsense? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

CritialGaming:

erttheking:

It can be both.

Something Amyss:

Not can be. Literally is.

The Earth could be flat too.

Japan does NOT have a clear awareness of western SJW culture, they don't understand it. There are clips and videos all over youtube of people interviewing Japanese people about some Western-based SJW outrage thing, they don't have the same grasp of what is "offensive".

So I do not believe that this DLC overpricing/overflow has anything to do with some anti-sjw agenda.

You are chasing ghosts, and labeling things that aren't there.

It's a shitty business practice plain and simple. There is no other evil reasoning behind it.

https://i.imgflip.com/1n2hie.jpg

I think they have a fairly clear awareness about SJW culture. You know why? Because this entire thread is about the creative director complaining about it. This may sound crazy, but people who spend a good portion of their careers exporting goods to another country get tend to get a feel for what flies in that country, so please don't tell me that they don't get it because they're Japanese.

And it's not an anti-SJW agenda, it's an "people will spend stupid amounts of money to spite SJWs, let's capitalize on that" agenda.

erttheking:

I think they have a fairly clear awareness about SJW culture. You know why? Because this entire thread is about the creative director complaining about it. This may sound crazy, but people who spend a good portion of their careers exporting goods to another country get tend to get a feel for what flies in that country, so please don't tell me that they don't get it because they're Japanese.

And it's not an anti-SJW agenda, it's an "people will spend stupid amounts of money to spite SJWs, let's capitalize on that" agenda.

Precisely. Western game journos liked the first DoA:VB. But when the same Western journos shit on all other slapdash iterations, 'SJW Agenda'. And they literally pretended as such with that garbage nonsense with that PlayAsia PR stunt before. It the same company, saying exactly the same thing as before, and pretending like the resistance against their game has nothing to do with the ransoming of content held for hostage or pisspoor game design with the same Western journos who once liked them telling people not to buy their shit because, get this, they're reviewers and their job is to tell consumers whether a game is exploitative trash.

Fuck me. We already know it's exploitative trash, so why dignify obvious conmen that they're not simply selling exploitative trash?

It's like thieves complaining about being treated like thieves. Maybe they should stop acting lie manipulative arseholes, first? Just a thought?

The funny thing about all of this is if the product was actually good and didn't rely on merely fan service, by dint of that they would have elevated their game. But by mrketing to the lowest common denominator they can then reverse that perception of that on fan service trash and self-excuse that the backlash isn't somehow it being exploitative trash but rather an 'artistic statement' that people are railing against.

I mean fuck off. Both of which are inexcusable, other Japanese videogaming companies do not insult the people's intelligence like that, and the people pretending as if those saying this is problematic are merely 'SJWs' are lying through their teeth.

Addendum_Forthcoming:

erttheking:

I think they have a fairly clear awareness about SJW culture. You know why? Because this entire thread is about the creative director complaining about it. This may sound crazy, but people who spend a good portion of their careers exporting goods to another country get tend to get a feel for what flies in that country, so please don't tell me that they don't get it because they're Japanese.

And it's not an anti-SJW agenda, it's an "people will spend stupid amounts of money to spite SJWs, let's capitalize on that" agenda.

Precisely. Western game journos liked the first DoA:VB. But when the same Western journos shit on all other slapdash iterations, 'SJW Agenda'. And they literally pretended as such with that garbage nonsense with that PlayAsia PR stunt before. It the same company, saying exactly the same thing as before, and pretending like the resistance against their game has anything to do with the ransoming of content held for hostage or pisspoor game design had nothing to do with the same Western journos who once like them telling people not to buy their shit because, get this, they're reviewers and their job is to tell consumers whether a game is exploitative trash.

Fuck me. We already know it's exploitative trash, so why dignify obvious conmen that they're not simply selling exploitative trash?

It's like thieves complaining about being treated like thieves.

That, of itself, is a master stroke of marketing. One that political parties have been using to the Nth Degree.

"I'm a Proud American! I like to know the type of people in my land, I like to feel a kinship to them. You can be different, but don't expect me to cotton to you so clearly when I know what I like and I only like what I like!"

'That... sound bigoted...'

"OOOOH, HOW DARE YOU?! HOW DARE YOU USE THAT TERM WITH ME WHEN I'M JUST BEING THE BEST AMERICAN I CAN BE! I believe in the flag, son! I believe in the Tradition that makes this country great! I believe in Honoring the people who made this country great! So what if they all have the same type of appearance, YOU YOURSELF ARE BIGOTED FOR NOTICING THAT! I'm going to be extra angry towards people like you because you're attacking me for saying my opinion! You brought this on yourself, Son! I wasn't like this before you opened your mouth!"

And then cue everyone who likes what he's saying painting him as a poor victim who was attacked needlessly by the other party and backs him out of respect/spite.

CritialGaming:

Something Amyss:

DOA has been counting on triggered gamers to empty their wallets to protest "SJWs" for a while now.

That has nothing to do with it. Koei Tecmo has been pumping out massive amounts of DLC at crazy prices for ages now. Look at any number of the DLC available for the Dynasty Warriors games.

...I want to defend Dynasty Warriors...but then DW9 happened...so I am not going to defend them.

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