DoA6 gets too sexy during Evo stream, feed gets cut and apologies ensue

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Making games mainstream and cool was a mistake.

In other sexy video game news another Senran Kagura game came out a couple weeks ago, without a single scrap of outrage. https://store.steampowered.com/app/889510/SENRAN_KAGURA_Burst_ReNewal/

Interesting how a niche game can be sexy and fanservice to the point of ludicrusness, and yet still manage to release without the gaming press getting their SJW hats all worked up into a feeding frenzy of "this game is literally Hitler".

DoA is clearly becoming a meme on purpose at this point. They've seen the media attention that they get from focusing around the sexy characters in their game and they are clearly trying to ride that wave all the way to the finish line.

Controversy like this doesn't hurt games, it makes them more successful. When the media freaks out about a game for reasons like tits and ultra violence, those games become more successful because the spotlight brings the game to more people's attention. I don't think GTA would have been nearly as big of a game series if they didn't have several mainstream media storms over the game's content. Mass Effect, Mortal Kombat, all games with huge media outcrys that only succeeded MORE because of it. At least that's how I feel about it.

Then you have games like Hatred, which was a piece of shit, but I bet it sold far more copies because of the media attention it got then it ever would have if the press had simply ignored it.

I don't like how they drew Nyotengus eyes. Her DOA5 model was a lot better.

RaikuFA:
Making games mainstream and cool was a mistake.

Normies ruin everything reeeeeeeeeee

Marik2:
I don't like how they drew Nyotengus eyes. Her DOA5 model was a lot better.

RaikuFA:
Making games mainstream and cool was a mistake.

Normies ruin everything reeeeeeeeeee

*spits out drink* I dunno why but that made me laugh.

CoCage:

Saelune:

Phoenixmgs:

Uh... Is that missing a 'not' or has too many 'nots' or I'm reading it wrong because it ain't making sense.

I am saying the people upset that DOA was removed are the ones who are offended, so for someone upset and thus offended, to say 'who cares about people being offended' is self-defeating because they are basically saying we should not care about them.

You missed the mark a thousand miles back that way. I am not offended in the slightest, so you really don't know me. Similar to Phoenix, I don't care for people getting "offended" over some T&A, nor it being banned from EVO of all places. And Squilookle is right, what you said falls flat, hard. I don't know if you are trying to start something Saelune, but please stop it, if that's the case. I am not doing any pointless back and forth arguments that go nowhere.

You wanted to moralize about how violence wasn't cut off at a FIGHTING GAME tournament, but a game about sexy women was.

CoCage:
Who cares about some pansies getting offended? DOA6 is going to make its money regardless. Yet, I bet when MK 11 gets streamed, no one will cut the feed. So much for "morals and standards". Or the false appearance of them.

CritialGaming:
In other sexy video game news another Senran Kagura game came out a couple weeks ago, without a single scrap of outrage. https://store.steampowered.com/app/889510/SENRAN_KAGURA_Burst_ReNewal/

Interesting how a niche game can be sexy and fanservice to the point of ludicrusness, and yet still manage to release without the gaming press getting their SJW hats all worked up into a feeding frenzy of "this game is literally Hitler".

DoA is clearly becoming a meme on purpose at this point. They've seen the media attention that they get from focusing around the sexy characters in their game and they are clearly trying to ride that wave all the way to the finish line.

Honestly, the PR team was probably, ahem, frustrated at how long it took EVO Japan to cut the stream. Having the models with cut up clothes demonstrate real-life jiggle physics didn't even manage it.

If pausing the in game animation to show an out-of-context "hey, this looks like sex" didn't do it, they were probably gonna boot up pornhub next.

Saelune:

CoCage:

Saelune:
I am saying the people upset that DOA was removed are the ones who are offended, so for someone upset and thus offended, to say 'who cares about people being offended' is self-defeating because they are basically saying we should not care about them.

You missed the mark a thousand miles back that way. I am not offended in the slightest, so you really don't know me. Similar to Phoenix, I don't care for people getting "offended" over some T&A, nor it being banned from EVO of all places. And Squilookle is right, what you said falls flat, hard. I don't know if you are trying to start something Saelune, but please stop it, if that's the case. I am not doing any pointless back and forth arguments that go nowhere.

You wanted to moralize about how violence wasn't cut off at a FIGHTING GAME tournament, but a game about sexy women was.

CoCage:
Who cares about some pansies getting offended? DOA6 is going to make its money regardless. Yet, I bet when MK 11 gets streamed, no one will cut the feed. So much for "morals and standards". Or the false appearance of them.

And you know that to be true. In the West, most will happily glorify gory violence over some T&A any day of the week. Less they look like a "perv". I like Mortal Kombat, but its odds of having its stream cut are very small. Just because I don't care, does not mean I am not going to call bullshit when I see it. Seriously Saelune, I don't know what your problem is.

Every time the gaming industry makes strong, progressive headway into becoming a mature, inclusive medium to be taken seriously another DoA game gets released and it's back to square one. -_-

One of the comments under that article summed it up nicely:

Storm in a d-cup

gyrobot:
They have no shortage of gravure models looking to sell their dignity for money.

Oh christ, don't go for that angle, please.

CritialGaming:

Interesting how a niche game can be sexy and fanservice to the point of ludicrusness, and yet still manage to release without the gaming press getting their SJW hats all worked up into a feeding frenzy of "this game is literally Hitler".

People have already brought up that it received controversy, but yeah, it's interesting that a franchise that's sold under 2 million copies gets less attention than one that's sold 10. Or, you know...expected.

On a related note, why does JK Rowling's work get more coverage than mine? Iiiiiiiiiinteresting.

Grouchy Imp:
Every time the gaming industry makes strong, progressive headway into becoming a mature, inclusive medium to be taken seriously another DoA game gets released and it's back to square one. -_-

Nah. The gaming community itself, the people who spent years and years begging to be treated like big boys and their media taken seriously, is what brings us back to square one.

Something Amyss:

Grouchy Imp:
Every time the gaming industry makes strong, progressive headway into becoming a mature, inclusive medium to be taken seriously another DoA game gets released and it's back to square one. -_-

Nah. The gaming community itself, the people who spent years and years begging to be treated like big boys and their media taken seriously, is what brings us back to square one.

C'mon, the stereotype of all gamers being spotty, socially awkward teenage boys half-blind from masturbation is a stereotype that is long gone. And yet it is a stereotype that DoA targets with every new title. If the stereotype is long out of date, what does that say about a game that continually plays up to it?

Grouchy Imp:

Something Amyss:

Grouchy Imp:
Every time the gaming industry makes strong, progressive headway into becoming a mature, inclusive medium to be taken seriously another DoA game gets released and it's back to square one. -_-

Nah. The gaming community itself, the people who spent years and years begging to be treated like big boys and their media taken seriously, is what brings us back to square one.

C'mon, the stereotype of all gamers being spotty, socially awkward teenage boys half-blind from masturbation is a stereotype that is long gone. And yet it is a stereotype that DoA targets with every new title. If the stereotype is long out of date, what does that say about a game that continually plays up to it?

A good chunk of movies fall into the same category yet though; especially what passes for comedy in the Hollywood sphere. And that's actually ok. I think I'd go crazy if every movie pretentiously strived for Oscar approval. Like the creme rising to the top, the work that's meant to be taken seriously usually is in any medium. It's contrasted by the schlocky bs to add some levity to the human condition as an efficient effort to stave off insanity.

Sex n violence y'all. Good times.

hanselthecaretaker:

Grouchy Imp:

Something Amyss:

Nah. The gaming community itself, the people who spent years and years begging to be treated like big boys and their media taken seriously, is what brings us back to square one.

C'mon, the stereotype of all gamers being spotty, socially awkward teenage boys half-blind from masturbation is a stereotype that is long gone. And yet it is a stereotype that DoA targets with every new title. If the stereotype is long out of date, what does that say about a game that continually plays up to it?

A good chunk of movies fall into the same category yet though. Especially what passes for comedy in the Hollywood sphere. And that?s ok. I think I?d go crazy if every movie pretentiously strived for Oscar approval.

Sex n violence y?all. Good times.

Alright, I'll give you that one. I dunno, I just inwardly cringe every time I hear about a new DoA game. I'll accept that it's just a case of 'different strokes for different folks', but if the next DoA title is released with a VR headset and a Fleshlight I want a full and unreserved apology, understood? :)

Grouchy Imp:

hanselthecaretaker:

Grouchy Imp:

C'mon, the stereotype of all gamers being spotty, socially awkward teenage boys half-blind from masturbation is a stereotype that is long gone. And yet it is a stereotype that DoA targets with every new title. If the stereotype is long out of date, what does that say about a game that continually plays up to it?

A good chunk of movies fall into the same category yet though. Especially what passes for comedy in the Hollywood sphere. And that?s ok. I think I?d go crazy if every movie pretentiously strived for Oscar approval.

Sex n violence y?all. Good times.

Alright, I'll give you that one. I dunno, I just inwardly cringe every time I hear about a new DoA game. I'll accept that it's just a case of 'different strokes for different folks', but if the next DoA title is released with a VR headset and a Fleshlight I want a full and unreserved apology, understood? :)

Yeah those should always be sold separately and purely at an individual's discretion lol.

CoCage:

Saelune:

CoCage:

You missed the mark a thousand miles back that way. I am not offended in the slightest, so you really don't know me. Similar to Phoenix, I don't care for people getting "offended" over some T&A, nor it being banned from EVO of all places. And Squilookle is right, what you said falls flat, hard. I don't know if you are trying to start something Saelune, but please stop it, if that's the case. I am not doing any pointless back and forth arguments that go nowhere.

You wanted to moralize about how violence wasn't cut off at a FIGHTING GAME tournament, but a game about sexy women was.

CoCage:
Who cares about some pansies getting offended? DOA6 is going to make its money regardless. Yet, I bet when MK 11 gets streamed, no one will cut the feed. So much for "morals and standards". Or the false appearance of them.

And you know that to be true. In the West, most will happily glorify gory violence over some T&A any day of the week. Less they look like a "perv". I like Mortal Kombat, but its odds of having its stream cut are very small. Just because I don't care, does not mean I am not going to call bullshit when I see it. Seriously Saelune, I don't know what your problem is.

If cutscenes from Mortal Kombat were banned from a porn convention I would go 'Well ofcourse, it is not porn'.

You do know that porn conventions exist in the US, right?

You want to make this about morality in the West which it isn't, it is about Evo being a tournament for fighting games and not letting a game that has not been about fighting in a long time be exhibited.

Something Amyss:

CritialGaming:

Interesting how a niche game can be sexy and fanservice to the point of ludicrusness, and yet still manage to release without the gaming press getting their SJW hats all worked up into a feeding frenzy of "this game is literally Hitler".

People have already brought up that it received controversy, but yeah, it's interesting that a franchise that's sold under 2 million copies gets less attention than one that's sold 10. Or, you know...expected.

On a related note, why does JK Rowling's work get more coverage than mine? Iiiiiiiiiinteresting.

So your saying that people are only complaining about one series because it's popular? And less popular games can get away with doing anything they want? Interesting. I wonder why that is? It's almost like the outrage surrounding DoA is fabricated and pointless, and they're doing it just to be riled up about something.

Otherwise they should be more outraged about the sexualization in an SK game far more considering that's the major focus of the title. Far beyond what DoA contains. The point I'm trying to make is that this faux-indignation proves itself to be bullshit by being selective, because it only ever seems to land on the games with a widely known name brand around them.

Or a game has to be so off the fucking edge (ala Hatred) that it gets noticed away.

Either sexualization is okay or it isn't. Pick one. And if the argument is that a game designed to be sexy is okay but a game not designed to be sexy shouldn't also have sexy bits to it, then that just doesn't make any sense. So I just don't understand what the problem is here.

Are we mad they hired sexy girls to stand there and be sexy? Because that's basically been advertising 101 since....fucking forever.

I understand that doing it at an EVO livestream event is baiting more than anything else. But I mean.....it has us talking about DoA which I would consider a success if I were them. I wouldn't even think about DoA otherwise, and now it's a game on my radar.

Saelune:

CoCage:

Saelune:
You wanted to moralize about how violence wasn't cut off at a FIGHTING GAME tournament, but a game about sexy women was.

And you know that to be true. In the West, most will happily glorify gory violence over some T&A any day of the week. Less they look like a "perv". I like Mortal Kombat, but its odds of having its stream cut are very small. Just because I don't care, does not mean I am not going to call bullshit when I see it. Seriously Saelune, I don't know what your problem is.

If cutscenes from Mortal Kombat were banned from a porn convention I would go 'Well ofcourse, it is not porn'.

You do know that porn conventions exist in the US, right?

You want to make this about morality in the West which it isn't, it is about Evo being a tournament for fighting games and not letting a game that has not been about fighting in a long time be exhibited.

I ain't the biggest DOA fan but, I think they're good fighting games. Especially five, and I believe it has every right to exist at EVO. But I already know that's not going to happen. Plus, EVO has always had that exclusive mentality problem. And it is pathetic on their part. if they have a problem with the fan service there, they might as well start having problems with Street fighter, guilty gear, BlazBlue, or KOF.

And it is about Western morality on some part. It is not just an EVO thing. You cannot be this ignorant or oblivious. Whatever else your thoughts are on the matter I couldn't care less at this point. I can already tell we're not going to change each other's mind.

P.S- The Mortal Kombat at a porn convention makes no sense. The argument falls flat, because Midway would never air that there. You are really try to stretch your arguments a lot.

CritialGaming:

Something Amyss:

CritialGaming:

Interesting how a niche game can be sexy and fanservice to the point of ludicrusness, and yet still manage to release without the gaming press getting their SJW hats all worked up into a feeding frenzy of "this game is literally Hitler".

People have already brought up that it received controversy, but yeah, it's interesting that a franchise that's sold under 2 million copies gets less attention than one that's sold 10. Or, you know...expected.

On a related note, why does JK Rowling's work get more coverage than mine? Iiiiiiiiiinteresting.

So your saying that people are only complaining about one series because it's popular? And less popular games can get away with doing anything they want? Interesting. I wonder why that is? It's almost like the outrage surrounding DoA is fabricated and pointless, and they're doing it just to be riled up about something.

Otherwise they should be more outraged about the sexualization in an SK game far more considering that's the major focus of the title. Far beyond what DoA contains. The point I'm trying to make is that this faux-indignation proves itself to be bullshit by being selective, because it only ever seems to land on the games with a widely known name brand around them.

It's the "setting expectations" problem.

Senran Kagura doesn't try to hide or disguise what it is. Hell, they released a "grope the teenager until she likes it" game on the Switch. It reviewed terribly because there's no game there and it's barely porn, everybody knows what they're going to get.

SNK Heroines didn't get much flack because it's explicitly a fanservice game first, fighting game a distant second. Bad as its premise is, I was only mildly disappointed, not surprised.

DoA devs keeps saying "but no, seriously, we're a legit fighting game, focus on that" and then the PR team keeps pulling stunts like this. They try to set up a different expectation a.k.a. "you will be ashamed of your words and deeds", and then fuck it up hilariously a.k.a. "she breaths through her skin".

SNK Heroines has the hilarious component of gender-bending classics like Terry and then subjecting them to fanservice that Mai has been performing forever so it's kinda worth it for that alone haha.

CoCage:

Saelune:

CoCage:

And you know that to be true. In the West, most will happily glorify gory violence over some T&A any day of the week. Less they look like a "perv". I like Mortal Kombat, but its odds of having its stream cut are very small. Just because I don't care, does not mean I am not going to call bullshit when I see it. Seriously Saelune, I don't know what your problem is.

If cutscenes from Mortal Kombat were banned from a porn convention I would go 'Well ofcourse, it is not porn'.

You do know that porn conventions exist in the US, right?

You want to make this about morality in the West which it isn't, it is about Evo being a tournament for fighting games and not letting a game that has not been about fighting in a long time be exhibited.

I ain't the biggest DOA fan but, I think they're good fighting games. Especially five, and I believe it has every right to exist at EVO. But I already know that's not going to happen. Plus, EVO has always had that exclusive mentality problem. And it is pathetic on their part. if they have a problem with the fan service there, they might as well start having problems with Street fighter, guilty gear, BlazBlue, or KOF.

And it is about Western morality on some part. It is not just an EVO thing. You cannot be this ignorant or oblivious. Whatever else your thoughts are on the matter I couldn't care less at this point. I can already tell we're not going to change each other's mind.

P.S- The Mortal Kombat at a porn convention makes no sense. The argument falls flat, because Miday we never air that there. You really try to stretch your arguments a lot.

You claim you weren't offended, but you were, and then said people shouldn't care about how offended people feel.

I am not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that your argument is in conflict with itself.

PS: You know what a hypothetical is, dont you?

Saelune:

CoCage:

Saelune:
If cutscenes from Mortal Kombat were banned from a porn convention I would go 'Well ofcourse, it is not porn'.

You do know that porn conventions exist in the US, right?

You want to make this about morality in the West which it isn't, it is about Evo being a tournament for fighting games and not letting a game that has not been about fighting in a long time be exhibited.

I ain't the biggest DOA fan but, I think they're good fighting games. Especially five, and I believe it has every right to exist at EVO. But I already know that's not going to happen. Plus, EVO has always had that exclusive mentality problem. And it is pathetic on their part. if they have a problem with the fan service there, they might as well start having problems with Street fighter, guilty gear, BlazBlue, or KOF.

And it is about Western morality on some part. It is not just an EVO thing. You cannot be this ignorant or oblivious. Whatever else your thoughts are on the matter I couldn't care less at this point. I can already tell we're not going to change each other's mind.

P.S- The Mortal Kombat at a porn convention makes no sense. The argument falls flat, because Miday we never air that there. You really try to stretch your arguments a lot.

You claim you weren't offended, but you were, and then said people shouldn't care about how offended people feel.

I am not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that your argument is in conflict with itself.

PS: You know what a hypothetical is, dont you?

From the way you were first responding, you sounded more offended about me not caring. If people want to care about the situation, I am not going to stop them. I made that clear in my first post. If you care that much, then good for you. Me, I moving on to something else now. Don't bother responding with anything else, I am not going to reply back.

P.S - Come up with a better hypothetical. No offense, but it is not a good one.

CoCage:

Saelune:

CoCage:

I ain't the biggest DOA fan but, I think they're good fighting games. Especially five, and I believe it has every right to exist at EVO. But I already know that's not going to happen. Plus, EVO has always had that exclusive mentality problem. And it is pathetic on their part. if they have a problem with the fan service there, they might as well start having problems with Street fighter, guilty gear, BlazBlue, or KOF.

And it is about Western morality on some part. It is not just an EVO thing. You cannot be this ignorant or oblivious. Whatever else your thoughts are on the matter I couldn't care less at this point. I can already tell we're not going to change each other's mind.

P.S- The Mortal Kombat at a porn convention makes no sense. The argument falls flat, because Miday we never air that there. You really try to stretch your arguments a lot.

You claim you weren't offended, but you were, and then said people shouldn't care about how offended people feel.

I am not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that your argument is in conflict with itself.

PS: You know what a hypothetical is, dont you?

From the way you were first responding, you sounded more offended about me not caring. If people want to care about the situation, I am not going to stop them. I made that clear in my first post. If you care that much, then good for you. Me, I moving on to something else now. Don't bother responding with anything else, I am not going to reply back.

P.S - Come up with a better hypothetical. No offense, but it is not a good one.

It is not a contest of who is more offended. You are the one who said people shouldn't care about the feelings of 'offended people' I think there are plenty of things that are reasonable to be offended by, but then I don't take the stance that merely 'being offended' is not ok ever.

But anyways, have fun proving how 'not offended' you are. Really convinced.

CritialGaming:
So your saying that people are only complaining about one series because it's popular?

Not quite. My saying that people tend to complain more about games that are actually, you know, known. My saying that games people don't see get no attention, which has nothing to do with outrage culture or whatever bogeyman we're on about now. My saying outrage culture often does the opposite...digs up niche excuses and uses them as exemplary.

Isn't it funny how the things people know get more attention, period, than the ones people don't? No, it's not funny. It's expected.

What my saying is tht you are an exemplar of outrage culture.

Otherwise they should be more outraged about the sexualization in an SK game far more considering that's the major focus of the title.

And how does one propose we become outraged by something we've never heard of, which primarily sells in other countries, as opposed to a franchise which literally advertised its "assets" on prime-time US TV? This is like some biarre reverse hipsterism combined with whataboutism. "You should be more outraged by this thing you'd never have heard of if I didn't bring it up." That's what this sounds like.

If all things were equal, year, people should probably be more outraged. Doesn't change the fact that unless the marketing budget outstrips the sales outcome, people aren't going to be exposed to it. That's why smaller games can get away with things, not because of some rawrsnortoutrageculture nonsense. Again, if all things were equal, but...they're not. And that has nothing to do with outrage culture, it has to do with smaller games getting less coverage, period. This is nothing new. This is neither special nor unique to this situation.

Or a game has to be so off the fucking edge (ala Hatred) that it gets noticed away.

Slightly revisionist. Hatred got the bulk of its attention because outrage warriors screamed "censorship!" so loud. Again, this better makes the case that you are part of outrage culture than gaming media.

Either sexualization is okay or it isn't. Pick one.

Jesus, and they say I'm a drama queen.

Quote me. Quote me at any point saying one or the other of these instances was okay. I'll wait.

...what, you can't find any examples because that has no bearing on what I've been saying?

Huh.

And if the argument is that a game designed to be sexy is okay but a game not designed to be sexy shouldn't also have sexy bits to it, then that just doesn't make any sense. So I just don't understand what the problem is here.

Then stop drumming up issues that aren't there. Stop being outrage culture.

Are we mad they hired sexy girls to stand there and be sexy? Because that's basically been advertising 101 since....fucking forever.

Perhaps you should calm down. Take a deep breath. Realise sexy advertisement has been criticised since at least the 70s. Understand how little examples that are addressed already don't help your case. Rather, they weaken them.

I have trouble believing, additionally, that you lack the capacity to distinguish between beating the clothes off someone and "looking sexy", considering that's your thesis here.

I understand that doing it at an EVO livestream event is baiting more than anything else.

If you did, we wouldn't be having this very one sided discourse, where I say something and you rage about something entirely different. It's the same principle here. One game is in our faces, the other is not. Which do we respond to?

And in all of thise...why didn't you make a topic on Senran Kagura? Even if you support beating the clothes off women and groping teenagers until they like it, you could have actually gauged reaction. I somehow doubt you're actually going to find anyone saying "this is okay, but those damn DOA games have to go!" no matter how many times you virtue signal about how either they're both bad or they're not. Which, I mean, seriously, duh.

Instead, you use it as a cudgel against people who have never bothered to say it was okay in the first place for some reason. Wonder why...could be the relevance to your original attempt to railroad hypocrisy into something with a simpler explanation.

Geee golly, who knows? the one that doesn't have the publicity is worse, so obviously we should magically know about it.

Grouchy Imp:
C'mon, the stereotype of all gamers being spotty, socially awkward teenage boys half-blind from masturbation is a stereotype that is long gone.

Oh, yes, but it's been replced by a far worse stereotype. Gamers who scream about women and gays being in games and scream even harder about underage girls being removed from their games.

Gamers have just spent years very publicly having a tantrum that there weren't enough pandering women, whining that women with average bust sizes were ruining games, and shrieking that they couldn't pet underage girls in their media. You can say "not ALL gamers" but that's never been a requirement. The minute you pull the "censorship" card, you will have people lining up to buy your game as part of the outrage warrior mentality. How many depends on a lot of things, ut I'm sure DOA isn't going to cry about a few hundred thousand extra sales.

Hell, I was around the last time they pulled it, and people on this very site were celebrating that they beat those SJWs because a niche game that nobody had even protested yet saw a sales spike through imports. People spent hundreds of dollars on DLC to spite the SJWs and the horrors of censorship. And the fact there are boobs involved probably doesn't hurt.

Point being, if gamers are happy to perpetuate the stereotype of puerile, stick-it-to-the-man outrage culture and a love of tits, why wouldn't DOA and other companies play up to that? And why haven't the sales of these games declined?

There's a reason I distance myself from the label gamer. I don't want to be lumped into childish screaming that there aren't enough big boobs in games or the quarterly complaints that a game where you grope children isn't coming to the US. And beyond that, I don't want to be associated with a culture that will scream death threats at a developer for slightly altering reload times in a MP shooter. It's less relevant to this example, but there's a problem with self-identified gamers having a largely unchallenged section that does horrible things, and I'd rather not be seen as supporting that.

DOA's still going to sell to its thirsty-ass base who need their titty games, and now they'll probably see a boost in sales because of this desperate attempt at "censorship". Far as I'm concerned, they're not setting the market back. They're just cashing in on a very sensitive, very hostile, very "outrage culture" portion of the market.

The new stereotype is actually scarier, because gaming is so pervasive now, and these ideas are so normalised within it.

Something Amyss:
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That's all fair. Let me rethink my point.

I guess if I really think about it, my ultimate question is...Why can't we let games be what the developers want them to be? I'm not talking about criticizing a game like a review, where you would analyse story, graphics, sound, gameplay, etc to point out things you like or dislike.

I'm more talking about letting a game star a foul mouth good looking girl like Wet or Bombshell. Or DoA using chest physics in the game. So what? If they wanted to have tit physics what does it matter? Ultimately it's a small part of the game's gameplay and art style.

I am not saying that you shouldn't talk about not liking it. But this idea that seems pushed by game media that makes something like bouncy boobies out to be evil and it should never be allowed in any game for any reason ever and DoA should change itself to fit what these "journalists" deem acceptable. Because as we've seen with outlets like Feminist Frequency, any attempts to lean towards what they ask for not only tends to result in a worse game, but also sees them shifting the goal post to twist things into still fitting their view of the world being evil and objectifying.

And you can apply this to any other demands made by the leftist media. When people demanded that Overwatch characters be made LBGTQ, I sat there stunned. I didn't understand (and maybe couldn't) why a character's sexuallization mattered, especially in a game in which there was no character interaction. I do understand LBGTQ characters in games that feature romance options, or even interpersonal relationships among NPC's. I'm totally cool giving players the choice to romance whatever they want within the game. It is when a character's sexual preferences mean nothing in the context of the game, like in Overwatch or League of Legends.

As far as sexuality as a whole. I'm of a mindset of letting the game be as sexual or not as it wants too. God of War 4 is a game that made a big change to remove all sexuality from the game and it was just fine. We are of an age in gaming where female characters are not being as over sexualized in general as they used too. I'm not saying that sexualized lady's don't exist because they still do and always will. But we are seeing games in which Lara Croft isn't the skimpy big titted heroine she used to be. Mary Jane in Spider-Man was never shown in any sexual light.

I feel like we have room for both kinds of female characters in games. Games with characters like DoA, or Bayonetta are just as valid imo as games that have more straightforward female characters that aren't used to tantalized like in SpiderMan and God of War.

Though you said, this whole thread is because the people behind DoA keep doing sexualized shit and then wondering why people are calling them out on it. Which is dumb, but I still feel like they are playing it up to draw attention to the game regardless of it being good or bad.

altnameJag:
Considering they cut loose their old PR rep for off duty escort work, that's pretty ballsy.

...and they probably wouldn't have done that if she hadn't used the same social media account to for said escort work and talking about her job with Nintendo (to her credit not in an official capacity, but she still probably shouldn't have been connecting her day job and escort work at all).

Something Amyss:
SJWs and the horrors of censorship

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...nope, no outrage mobs making demands from *that* corner of the internet. It's all those sexist assholes who like tits (the monsters!).

Schadrach:
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Ah yes, that time Katsura Hashino was under threat of an outrage mob for...uh...*Googles* a forum organizing their disapproval over the fact that his handling over LGBT themes in his games has been (let's face it) shit. Oh yes, and his games have been censored by the fact that...there are opposing opinions out there. On a thread that hasn't even broken into the double digits when it comes to its pages. And the actions that they suggest is...listing their grievances on a forum page, boycotting Atlus games (and since gamers scream that they're going to boycott games at the drop of a hat I find it a bit odd to get so worked up over this one. Doubly so when I don't think anything has ever come of gamer boycotts. Ever.) and continuing to have a conversation over what they want to do. Right. I'm sorry, has there been anything about the guy actually being afraid from this or actual concerns of censorship? Or is every gamer who ever said that they were going to boycott anything guilty of attempting to inflict censorship on someone? You said something about making demands. Can I get a list of these demands?

(Also I advise you to stay away from Triggerhappy. It's outrage bait for people who claim to hate outrage bait. And I find it kind of telling that, outside of the original thread, the only people who seem to be talking about this are Triggerhappy, Oneangrygamer, and some Reddit posts. I'll be very surprised is Hashino is even aware of this storm in a teacup.)

Schadrach:

altnameJag:
Considering they cut loose their old PR rep for off duty escort work, that's pretty ballsy.

...and they probably wouldn't have done that if she hadn't used the same social media account to for said escort work and talking about her job with Nintendo (to her credit not in an official capacity, but she still probably shouldn't have been connecting her day job and escort work at all).

Best of my knowledge, she didn't. Her other account got doxed and snitched on.
Because (not all) nerds didn't like Treehouse's Fire Emblem Fates localization.
That she was only involved in a PR capacity for.
And that she was personally on their side with, but job.

erttheking:

(Also I advise you to stay away from Triggerhappy. It's outrage bait for people who claim to hate outrage bait. And I find it kind of telling that, outside of the original thread, the only people who seem to be talking about this are Triggerhappy, Oneangrygamer, and some Reddit posts. I'll be very surprised is Hashino is even aware of this storm in a teacup.)

I gotta wonder who the snowflakes actuaare these days. I saw more rage at DOA's theoretically less fan service-y DOA 6 costumes than the whole "game that had a cool trans character that gets shat upon gets rerelease that continues to do that" outrage.

And I don't even follow the type of people that would get mad at the DOA costume changes

altnameJag:

erttheking:

(Also I advise you to stay away from Triggerhappy. It's outrage bait for people who claim to hate outrage bait. And I find it kind of telling that, outside of the original thread, the only people who seem to be talking about this are Triggerhappy, Oneangrygamer, and some Reddit posts. I'll be very surprised is Hashino is even aware of this storm in a teacup.)

I gotta wonder who the snowflakes actuaare these days.

You don't gotta wonder. You really don't. I can't spend 5 minutes on YouTube with getting a video reccomendation of some doofus "putting the burn on SJW's".

CritialGaming:
Mary Jane in Spider-Man was never shown in any sexual light.

She was also not shown in a good character light. ;D *sigh* God, Mary Jane sucks in Spider-Man PS4.

Casual Shinji:
She was also not shown in a good character light. ;D *sigh* God, Mary Jane sucks in Spider-Man PS4.

It was just a point. And really even the Black Cat (a character who is normally hypersexualized) really had her sexuality toned way down from her typical appearances in both comic and game.

The point was that the industry is moving more towards normal women with more characterization that just having tits. They are making an effort to just write good characters and making any sexuality secondary if even being there at all.

I don't recall seeing much neckbeard protest in regard to them being censored or anything. People accept characters as they are for the most part. It's only when a character suffers a last minute change that people get annoyed as far as I've seen. Or when a character is forced into a game for no reason other than inclusion that doesn't make any sense (ala Battlefield V).

Now Japanese games are of a different mindset, they still love big anime tits and will continue to make Senran Kagura games and DoA games and whatever else. They design their characters to be cool first, and actually being good characters second. And frankly that's fine imo, there is a place for that and sometimes you just wanna play as a Bayonetta type character.

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