NBA 2K20 trailer is literal slot machine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46MQ1ZMZ-l4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oyBnjNaS2E&t=42s

So the newest trailers for NBA 2k20 has been released. Instead of showing the cool features and new rosters in-game, 2k decided to focus more on the MTX portion of the game. As if the "starter pack", which is NBA's version of loot boxes, wasn't enough, 2k decided to promote minigames that you can find at Casino

These minigames include ball-drop, slot machine, and even a wheel of fortune thing. They make it look like the winning is exciting and you have a high odds of winning, but if you know how lootboxes or casino games work, you know you have a low chance of winning.

What's worse is that this game is promoted as Age 3+ by PEGI standards. They are telling GAMBLING is approriate for kids less than 6 years old. Oh i'm sorry, it's a surprise mechanic that is quite fun and ethical, right?

IDK which publisher is worst; EA or 2K when it comes to monetizing their sports game franchise.

C'mon man, don't be like that! It's not gambling, it's just a surprise casino!

*Can't keep a straight face while saying it*

Seriously, this is so beyond parody at this point that I almost feel like 2K is TRYING to make the ripoff so blatant that they get this kind of thing completely banned. There's more gambling in the trailer than basketball. In a goddamn basketball game.

Also, what the hell is the ESRB doing? They got nintendo to pull the game corner's slot machines and replaced with a voltorb flipping card game in the remake of Pokemon Gold/Silver because Nintendo didn't want the game to go up to a Teen rating. For virtual gambling. ...And then they seem to be allowing THIS SHIT to fly in an E rated basketball game?

Honestly, I think the ESRB is completely worthless at this point. If they can't even enforce THAT, then they're hopeless.

This is why I don't bother buying anything from 2K and the other trash publishers.

aegix drakan:
Seriously, this is so beyond parody at this point that I almost feel like 2K is TRYING to make the ripoff so blatant that they get this kind of thing completely banned. There's more gambling in the trailer than basketball. In a goddamn basketball game.

This is exactly the reason.

They need the BIGGEST win they can get. Because if after all the hub-bub about loot boxes, and surprise mechanics and all that bull... they need to show that customers are very much into this game mechanics. That people want to take apart of this.

Kind of like how we all had to opt into Google Plus to even comment on youtube for a while? You get to say "Hey, you see how many users of Google Plus we have? Sure must be popular to be in the millions, right?".

Tone Deaf and Stupid as it may be, it certainly fits into the CEO's playbook.

I'm so confused. What the hell has a slot machine, a pinball machine, and a roulette wheel got to do with basketball?

I mean, isn't it better that they show these things upfront rather than hide it? At least this way no one will be blindsighted by the gambling mechanics.

Also Look at any game you own. Look at the rating. It always says " online interactions are not rated by the ESRB". As far as i am aware, you cannot access Microtransactions/lootboxes offline.

Also 3 year olds don't own credit cards. Unless you are a complete oblivious parent, your 3 , 5 even 10 year old shouldn't be able to even access these things. If your 13 or 15 year old is using your credit card against your will, you have failed as a parent.

If you are an adult, well get your shit together.

Having said all of that, the entire sports genre has been completely ruined by microtransactions and it is bleeding into other genres. But the old guard have been warning people of this since horse armor. I literally remember then threads about horse armor on this very website. So, i mean,i'm too old and tired to care anymore. No one listened to the warnings and here we are. Gamers deserve this.

Lufia Erim:
Also 3 year olds don't own credit cards.

You're missing the point. It's not like no credit card = only good wholesome basketball with no gambling.

Games with mechanics like these usually give you a few free lootboxes, a few free pulls of the slot lever, and a few free spins of the roulette wheel. That's how they get you hooked.

A 3 year old is obviously going to be trying out a few of these freebies, credit card or not, which means 3 year olds are going to be experiencing some of the mechanics that a casino would normally offer ...without actually going to a casino.

And there's something very wrong about that.

Red Sentinel:

Lufia Erim:
Also 3 year olds don't own credit cards.

You're missing the point. It's not like no credit card = only good wholesome basketball with no gambling.

Games with mechanics like these usually give you a few free lootboxes, a few free pulls of the slot lever, and a few free spins of the roulette wheel. That's how they get you hooked.

A 3 year old is obviously going to be trying out a few of these freebies, credit card or not, which means 3 year olds are going to be experiencing some of the mechanics that a casino would normally offer ...without actually going to a casino.

And there's something very wrong about that.

Except, this whole lootbox controversy nonsense would never had been an issue, if they weren't tied to microtransactions and real world money being spent in game..

The removing the money element completely changes the issue.

Games with these mechanics should get an "Adults Only" rating, regardless of their actual content. Actuallh, games like these shouldn't be allowed on the first place

PsychedelicDiamond:
Games with these mechanics should get an "Adults Only" rating, regardless of their actual content. Actuallh, games like these shouldn't be allowed on the first place

How is going AO going to help at all? Whales aren't children. They'd still make a bucketload of money. Better yet, Kids play Call of Duty , which is rated M, and Activision still make bucketloads of money.

Everyone has these kneejerk reactions they don't think through.

What NEEDS to happen, is inform people, and for people to stop actually buying these games/microtransactions.

But gamers are a fickle bunch. They can't see further than their noses, which is why we are in this situation to begin with.

We have lost this war Years ago, the new gen thinks this is normal, and the old guard " have family and responsibilities". Too little too late.

What's this basketball shenanigans doing in my casino simulator game?!

EA: How dumb can 2K be?!
2K: Not as dumb as the suckers who're gonna buy it anyway! *thumbs up*

So, slot machines are self-explanatory, but I was wondering what to call the other two games.

The ball drop / PlinkoTM game doesn't seem to have a generic name, though it looks a lot like early pinball or early pachinko, both of which had gambling variants. Gambling variants that are banned in various countries, by the way.

The wheel game is called The Big Six Wheel, or Wheel of Fortune, and is notorious for having one of the biggest house advantage of common casino games.

So not only did 2K recreate three gambling games, one of them is banned (in it's gambling form) and another is known for being the worst in terms of payout. Neat.

Who wants to start a betting pool on how long before the really scary Asian gambling rules get this treatment? Lost by five points in a game of Go-Stop? Hope you can cover five times your original wager!

Is this rising trend of certain publishers throwing off all restraint with manipulative coercion to profit specifically from people with problematic spending compulsions some sort of panicked death rattle in the face of looming regulation to make as much quick unethical profits as possible before their sweet free cash-monies-for-fuck-all-effort gets taken away? Maybe they're taking all they can whilst they still can. And what better game genre than the sports for a less-informed customer base. Who needs morals when you're too big to fail and the free money off the vulnerable is so lucrative. Who needs good PR when the world is going to such shit while sizable demographics are fine pretending otherwise anyway?

Lufia Erim:

How is going AO going to help at all? Whales aren't children. They'd still make a bucketload of money. Better yet, Kids play Call of Duty , which is rated M, and Activision still make bucketloads of money.

Adults aren't always going to be aware that the games they buy for their children contain heavy microtransactions. An Adults-Only rating would flag it to the parent. Whether the kids are "whales" or not isn't relevant (although some children absolutely will be huge spenders, undeniably).

Everyone has these kneejerk reactions they don't think through.

What NEEDS to happen, is inform people, and for people to stop actually buying these games/microtransactions.

What, information is enough, and with sufficient information everyone will just make healthy choices?

Bollocks. Gambling preys on those with compulsive tendencies or addictive predispositions, and it does not help those people to just be informed. They need to not be handed the manipulative, self-destructive tools in the first place.

We have lost this war Years ago, the new gen thinks this is normal, and the old guard " have family and responsibilities". Too little too late.

What, so we should... just not complain or raise objection at all? That's guaranteed to make it even worse.

Public pressure has had an impact. A muted impact, and not nearly enough, but it's there.

Good to know the ratings organisation is terrifically responsible, huh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roddqD3Xqs0

Don't mind me, just dry heaving over here

Christ.

SckizoBoy:
Good to know the ratings organisation is terrifically responsible, huh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roddqD3Xqs0

Good GOD that's shameful.

Pokemon Red: To get the Coin Case so you can gamble, you need to get it from a guy who says he's giving up on gambling because he "blew all his money" on the slot machines, providing a warning to the player that you can totally lose all your money by gambling. And the Casino turns out to LITERALLY be part of the story, since it's run by an actual criminal gang, thus being even more of a cautionary tale telling you not to trust casinos.

Pegi: Oof this is virtual gambling, age 12 and up.

NBA 2K20: Not only are there random card packs that you have to spend literal money on, but you can also gain actual cards/power/pay-to-win by doing Pachinko, Roulette, and a literal slot machine. Also, if you pay for random cards and get lots of good ones, you can win more often and get more spins of the wheel. Also, we glorify those rare wins by having those over the top "YESSSSSS!!!!!!1" reactions, and never show that the overwhelming majority of the time you will lose.

Pegi: Not gambling! Not even virtual gambling! Suitable for ages 3 and up! :D You can't judge a game off a single trailer despite the fact that we just did, and think it's fine for 3 year olds!

Yeah, this makes COMPLETE sense. /sarcasm

Imagine the uproar if a casino was caught luring pre-teen children in with free spins on slot machines. People would be getting hauled in front of government committees for that.

Lufia Erim:
What NEEDS to happen, is inform people, and for people to stop actually buying these games/microtransactions.

Except that now some companies are patching in microtransactions after the fact. I guess people should just be able to see into the future.

I'm just wondering how many 3-year-old 'whales' there are.

The Rogue Wolf:
Imagine the uproar if a casino was caught luring pre-teen children in with free spins on slot machines. People would be getting hauled in front of government committees for that.

Lufia Erim:
What NEEDS to happen, is inform people, and for people to stop actually buying these games/microtransactions.

Except that now some companies are patching in microtransactions after the fact. I guess people should just be able to see into the future.

So really...do those responsible for implementing such shady practices need to be strung up by their ankles naked and caned within an inch of their degenerate lives on live television as an example of what happens to predatory executives? Because it seems quite possible it will literally take something that extreme to shock the general populous out of its morbid stupidity and apathetic attitude towards modern day business practices. It isn't limited to the video game industry by any means either.

The sad problem however, is "the people" might just be that powerless in the face of the powerful who have money to be able get anything done constructively, in a way that will shake people to their core and have the message sink in.

TopazFusion:
I'm just wondering how many 3-year-old 'whales' there are.

The whales aren't the 3-year olds. It's the credit card details their parents put in and forget to erase.

TopazFusion:
I'm just wondering how many 3-year-old 'whales' there are.

Plenty... they just don't know it and it's with their parents' money. They may not necessarily be 3-year-olds, but they may as well be.

sgy0003:

IDK which publisher is worst; EA or 2K when it comes to monetizing their sports game franchise.

They're both morally repugnant in my book. Not a damn difference by this point.

Lufia Erim:

How is going AO going to help at all? Whales aren't children. They'd still make a bucketload of money. Better yet, Kids play Call of Duty , which is rated M, and Activision still make bucketloads of money.

AO rating has generally been a death sentence for games since the major retailers won't carry them. Name one popular game with an AO rating.

Drathnoxis:

Lufia Erim:

How is going AO going to help at all? Whales aren't children. They'd still make a bucketload of money. Better yet, Kids play Call of Duty , which is rated M, and Activision still make bucketloads of money.

AO rating has generally been a death sentence for games since the major retailers won't carry them. Name one popular game with an AO rating.

Maybe if we were in 2009. Now brick and mortar is all but dead, the digital age is thriving and i don't think parents care about the rating for a soccer game.

The only reason AO games are poorly perceived is because of the explicit sexual content. Which is the only way you actually get an AO rating. It had absolutely nothing to do with the rating and everything to do with the content.

And instead of asking if there is a popular AO game,ask if there is a good AO game.

The fact that the 2K20 launch was such a shambolic shitshow makes me wonder whether 2K are doing this on purpose or not...! -.-

So i was browsing twitter and happened to see NBA 2k20 trending. I figured people were complaining about the gambling in the game or something.

NOPE!

Turns out the game is broken. Not only do the players in the game miss wide open shots, lose the ball for no reason, and generally float around the court like they are on ice skates, not only is the general gameplay broken. But the game isn't rewarding the players who actually suffer through the shitty basketball to earn their profile rewards. You can score massive amounts of points, do extremely well during the game, but when it comes time to reward the player's profile, the game just......doesn't.

Congrats on doing so well at basketball, your reward is nothing. Enjoy.

However you still get gambling coins, so that's working. And of course the store front work fine because obviously that was the dev priority wasn't it?

UPDATE: Steam reviews seem pretty happy with the game https://store.steampowered.com/app/1089350/NBA_2K20/#app_reviews_hash just kidding overwhelmingly negative haha.

And MetaCritic's user scores are a wonderfully high 1.2 average rating. https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/nba-2k20

I hope the general gaming public starts to wake up to this bullshit.

Just stick to playing Basketball in real life folks.

Get a ball, find a court nearby you neighborhood, and shoots some hoops.

CritialGaming:
So i was browsing twitter and happened to see NBA 2k20 trending. I figured people were complaining about the gambling in the game or something.

NOPE!

Turns out the game is broken. Not only do the players in the game miss wide open shots, lose the ball for no reason, and generally float around the court like they are on ice skates, not only is the general gameplay broken. But the game isn't rewarding the players who actually suffer through the shitty basketball to earn their profile rewards. You can score massive amounts of points, do extremely well during the game, but when it comes time to reward the player's profile, the game just......doesn't.

Congrats on doing so well at basketball, your reward is nothing. Enjoy.

However you still get gambling coins, so that's working. And of course the store front work fine because obviously that was the dev priority wasn't it?

UPDATE: Steam reviews seem pretty happy with the game https://store.steampowered.com/app/1089350/NBA_2K20/#app_reviews_hash just kidding overwhelmingly negative haha.

And MetaCritic's user scores are a wonderfully high 1.2 average rating. https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/nba-2k20

I hope the general gaming public starts to wake up to this bullshit.

Adding grossly blatant gambling mechanics to a AAA dev's flagship basketball game was way more important to them than succeeding at the basic competencies that made the flagship basketball game relevant in the first place, i.e.: purposely rush out premium-priced trash with its branching predatory tendrils so it can start grasping at the customers' wallets and purses before the wiser landscape calls us on our shit. They're throwing it in your faces, people!!!

Xprimentyl:

CritialGaming:
So i was browsing twitter and happened to see NBA 2k20 trending. I figured people were complaining about the gambling in the game or something.

NOPE!

Turns out the game is broken. Not only do the players in the game miss wide open shots, lose the ball for no reason, and generally float around the court like they are on ice skates, not only is the general gameplay broken. But the game isn't rewarding the players who actually suffer through the shitty basketball to earn their profile rewards. You can score massive amounts of points, do extremely well during the game, but when it comes time to reward the player's profile, the game just......doesn't.

Congrats on doing so well at basketball, your reward is nothing. Enjoy.

However you still get gambling coins, so that's working. And of course the store front work fine because obviously that was the dev priority wasn't it?

UPDATE: Steam reviews seem pretty happy with the game https://store.steampowered.com/app/1089350/NBA_2K20/#app_reviews_hash just kidding overwhelmingly negative haha.

And MetaCritic's user scores are a wonderfully high 1.2 average rating. https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/nba-2k20

I hope the general gaming public starts to wake up to this bullshit.

Adding grossly blatant gambling mechanics to a AAA dev?s flagship basketball game was way more important to them than succeeding at the basic competencies that made the flagship basketball game relevant in the first place, i.e.: purposely rush out premium-priced trash with its branching predatory tendrils so it can start grasping at the customers? wallets and purses before the wiser landscape calls us on our shit. They?re throwing it in your faces, people!!!

Well, most of the money is to pay for the license to have the real-life NBA player's names and appearances in the game. Did people expect it to be for game development or something? /s

CaitSeith:

Xprimentyl:

CritialGaming:
Snip.

Adding grossly blatant gambling mechanics to a AAA dev?s flagship basketball game was way more important to them than succeeding at the basic competencies that made the flagship basketball game relevant in the first place, i.e.: purposely rush out premium-priced trash with its branching predatory tendrils so it can start grasping at the customers? wallets and purses before the wiser landscape calls us on our shit. They?re throwing it in your faces, people!!!

Well, most of the money is to pay for the license to have the real-life NBA player's names and appearances in the game. Did people expect it to be for game development or something?

*Prepares rebuttal...*

/s

Ah, you almost got me.

Makes sense. The game is primarily a gambling simulator, the basketball was just an afterthought.

CritialGaming:
snip

I'm sure we could continue on a tete a tete for quite a few pages listing everything that's busted with the game. I mean, if anything deserves the label of 'broken game', it's 2K20 as f*** me, I can't remember a launch in which this many problems were aired straight off the bat. And apparently, an early 7GB patch did virtually sod all to improve things, even change the desktop icon from 2k19.

The real question is if the people who bought this game has learned anything from the situation..

SckizoBoy:
...an early 7GB patch did virtually sod all to improve things....

Seven GIGABYTE patch. Probably just better textures for all the slot machines.

 

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