Welp, I just beaten Undertale, All Three Runs of it.

Bought this game 3 days ago on my Nintendo Switch on a Discount Sale, All I can say is this:

Music was the absolute best part of the game. To the point that eclipses the Game design for me. Like I think Toby Fox should just offer himself mostly as a composer.

Fuck Sans

Combat feels like I am playing a Shoot em up game like Galaga and Geometry Wars. Which I guess makes it more engaging and unique over a more traditional JRPG Turn Based combat.

Fuck Sans

Genocide Run makes it feel like I am playing a Creepypasta of a Game with it ending with my "Character" coming to life and gaining self awareness and cursing my game forever in subsequent playthroughs on Neutral and Pacifist.

Did I mention Fuck Sans? Seriously my left thumb hurts trying to win the fight with this guy. Thank goodness I was playing on my Switch which aided me with 2 things, the Home Button which I can pause when the bones are touching the Fight and Item Icons, and the Control Stick which I can maneuver my "Soul" more precisely for certain attacks. Without these I have no idea anyone beat this skeleton dude on the PC with the Arrow Keys.

I have a lot more to say but I will just say this. Its an ok the game, but my goodness I don't know why it was EVERYWHERE on the internet. And the memes it spawned are some of the most annoying. I mean Sans is now in Smash because of a Meme. And I don't know why people like this bonehead? His fight was infuriating and Megalovania will now give me PTSD.

Oh now my game is "cursed". Since I am playing on the Nintendo Switch, all I have to do is uninstall the game and re download it to remove the "Curse" of a Post Genoicde Runs?

Game was everywhere online because of the combination of whimsical tone and characters, the sheer "Awwwww" factor of the True Ending, the nifty twist on gameplay, the excellent music and the intensely dark lore that runs under the game, and finally the fact that a game built on exploring empathy actually allows you to be the most evil bastard imaginable while also having the appropriate consequences for it.

It was prime meme fodder and appeals to Toby's weird and probably half-mad fanbase, as well as people who felt nostalgic for Earthbound's whimsical style.

Samtemdo8:
And I don't know why people like this bonehead? His fight was infuriating and Megalovania will now give me PTSD.

I like him because he's punny.

More in depth, though...:

Samtemdo8:
Oh now my game is "cursed". Since I am playing on the Nintendo Switch, all I have to do is uninstall the game and re download it to remove the "Curse" of a Post Genoicde Runs?

Uhh...I think you might need to completely wipe the game's save data, and I'm not completely sure how one does that on switch. I know that when you delete games, the save data stays, so...

In any case, you can still play the game even with the "curse"

aegix drakan:
Game was everywhere online because of the combination of whimsical tone and characters, the sheer "Awwwww" factor of the True Ending, the nifty twist on gameplay, the excellent music and the intensely dark lore that runs under the game, and finally the fact that a game built on exploring empathy actually allows you to be the most evil bastard imaginable while also having the appropriate consequences for it.

It was prime meme fodder and appeals to Toby's weird and probably half-mad fanbase, as well as people who felt nostalgic for Earthbound's whimsical style.

Samtemdo8:
And I don't know why people like this bonehead? His fight was infuriating and Megalovania will now give me PTSD.

I like him because he's punny.

More in depth, though...:

Samtemdo8:
Oh now my game is "cursed". Since I am playing on the Nintendo Switch, all I have to do is uninstall the game and re download it to remove the "Curse" of a Post Genoicde Runs?

Uhh...I think you might need to completely wipe the game's save data, and I'm not completely sure how one does that on switch. I know that when you delete games, the save data stays, so...

In any case, you can still play the game even with the "curse"

I know already about the 10 minute thing and done it.

And I already deleted the save file and to make sure not back up a Cloud Save with the game. Now I just have to beat another Pacifist Run to see if the game is clean.

Ok I am confused about this whole game.

So its clearly a built in universe and its his own history and lore, but then that universe is literally shattered with one of the characters actively acknowledging that all this is just a game. Breaking the 4th Wall completely.

And how is it that Flowey knows that its in a game? All I know is he is the goat boy turned into a flower because of some weird experimentation from his dad. But then how did he came to know about all this is just a video game. He knows he is in the Matrix? And Sans also knows as well.

So what the hell is going here really?

Now that you beat Undertale, you need to play Deltarune and discover the best fluffy boy.

Worgen:
Now that you beat Undertale, you need to play Deltarune and discover the best fluffy boy.

Is that game free because I got it free on the Switch?

You could still play with a gamepad on PC.

I had a lot of fun with the Sans fight, I have a save file just before that fight so I can go back and replay it occasionally. It was marvelous in how he basically broke every rule that had been put in place about how combat works in the game. He dodges your attacks, does damage with no invincibility frames, kills you if you try to spare him, changes his opening speech to catch you off guard with his first attack, has attacks in the menu. The whole fight is basically unfair and it's great! That's part of what made the game so popular when it came out, Undertale really played around with gameplay mechanics and concepts in creative and new ways and wove it into the narrative in a way that didn't feel forced.

The writing just really clicked for me and I really enjoyed talking to all the characters, even the minor side characters that had a couple lines. There was just a lot of care put into the little things, like the fact that you could carry the snowball around for the whole game and make the snowman happy when you gave it back to him at the end. Or that there's a bunch of unique dialogue for a ton of different situations like killing some bosses but not others and going through the game without saving at all. There's just a TON, look at the Dev Team Thinks of Everything page on TV Tropes. It's massive! As long as the one for Nethack. Makes the game feel really reactive with stuff like that.

Samtemdo8:

Worgen:
Now that you beat Undertale, you need to play Deltarune and discover the best fluffy boy.

Is that game free because I got it free on the Switch?

Yeah, Deltarune is free.

https://www.deltarune.com/

Samtemdo8:

So what the hell is going here really?

Imma try to sum this up for you as best I remember.

Samtemdo8:

Worgen:
Now that you beat Undertale, you need to play Deltarune and discover the best fluffy boy.

Is that game free because I got it free on the Switch?

It's only the first chapter of Deltarune that's been released (hence why it's free). Toby's still working on the rest of the game.

I like games with great music.

Samtemdo8:
Ok I am confused about this whole game.

So its clearly a built in universe and its his own history and lore, but then that universe is literally shattered with one of the characters actively acknowledging that all this is just a game. Breaking the 4th Wall completely.

And how is it that Flowey knows that its in a game? All I know is he is the goat boy turned into a flower because of some weird experimentation from his dad. But then how did he came to know about all this is just a video game. He knows he is in the Matrix? And Sans also knows as well.

So what the hell is going here really?

It's funny how the game taps the 4th wall, and tries to justify it in its lore. It still leaves a lot of ambiguities open to interpretation (including Sans' origin).

Samtemdo8:

Worgen:
Now that you beat Undertale, you need to play Deltarune and discover the best fluffy boy.

Is that game free because I got it free on the Switch?

It is 100% free in any platform where it was released. It still has cool music, and keeps the Shoot-em-up-like combat, combined with a couple of new mechanics. It also got rid of the random encounters, and instead you battle when you touch a monster patrolling the area.

Samtemdo8:
Its an ok the game, but my goodness I don't know why it was EVERYWHERE on the internet

I think the writing, endearing and well done characters, excellent music, and mind-fuckery the game does were all a melting pot that hit a lot of notes for tons of people. Toby did an amazing job with this one, though I can see why it's not for everyone. But for me... I know that it had me hooked very, very quickly. And the ending made me tear up. Undertale is one of those games I wish I could experience for the first time again

I can understand the appeal, but I couldn't get too much into it myself. Sans and Papyrus were the best and Undyne was pretty cool too, but once you're past her the game takes a massive dip. I can't say I really enjoyed the shmup gameplay either. As a matter of fact, nothing in this game felt mechanically satisfying in any way.

The character writing and the humour is pretty good, but it gets way too fucking cute with itself. I could tell all the random quirkiness was suppose to endear me, but it just sorta bounced off of me. Especially once Alphys showed up. The level of 'look at me, I'm an delightfully awkward geek' got on my nerves very quickly.

So yeah, never actually finished it.

Elvis Starburst:

Samtemdo8:
Its an ok the game, but my goodness I don't know why it was EVERYWHERE on the internet

I think the writing, endearing and well done characters, excellent music, and mind-fuckery the game does were all a melting pot that hit a lot of notes for tons of people. Toby did an amazing job with this one, though I can see why it's not for everyone. But for me... I know that it had me hooked very, very quickly. And the ending made me tear up. Undertale is one of those games I wish I could experience for the first time again

What I wanna know is how is this game remotely considered as some form of Spiritual Successor to the Mother/Earthbound series?

And I know a prototype of this game was a Rom Hack Toby did with Earthbound.

Also the meme that Sans is Ness but that came after the game released.

I have yet to play the Mother games so that is why I am asking.

Samtemdo8:

What I wanna know is how is this game remotely considered as some form of Spiritual Successor to the Mother/Earthbound series?

And I know a prototype of this game was a Rom Hack Toby did with Earthbound.

Also the meme that Sans is Ness but that came after the game released.

I have yet to play the Mother games so that is why I am asking.

I think it's the writing mainly. Kind of a generally quirky lighthearted tone. I don't know, there aren't actually that many similarities that I'm aware of. Mechanically they are very different, Earthbound is very much more the typical JRPG and no experimental mixing of gameplay and story.

You definitely should play Earthbound and especially Mother 3. Mother 3 had one of the most well written stories of it's time, and I thought it was utterly fantastic. But then, I thought Undertale was fantastic as well and you were apparently not blown away by it the same as I was.

Casual Shinji:
I can understand the appeal, but I couldn't get too much into it myself. Sans and Papyrus were the best and Undyne was pretty cool too, but once you're past her the game takes a massive dip. I can't say I really enjoyed the shmup gameplay either. As a matter of fact, nothing in this game felt mechanically satisfying in any way.

The character writing and the humour is pretty good, but it gets way too fucking cute with itself. I could tell all the random quirkiness was suppose to endear me, but it just sorta bounced off of me. Especially once Alphys showed up. The level of 'look at me, I'm an delightfully awkward geek' got on my nerves very quickly.

So yeah, never actually finished it.

And she text messages you way too often.

Drathnoxis:

Samtemdo8:

What I wanna know is how is this game remotely considered as some form of Spiritual Successor to the Mother/Earthbound series?

And I know a prototype of this game was a Rom Hack Toby did with Earthbound.

Also the meme that Sans is Ness but that came after the game released.

I have yet to play the Mother games so that is why I am asking.

I think it's the writing mainly. Kind of a generally quirky lighthearted tone. I don't know, there aren't actually that many similarities that I'm aware of. Mechanically they are very different, Earthbound is very much more the typical JRPG and no experimental mixing of gameplay and story.

You definitely should play Earthbound and especially Mother 3. Mother 3 had one of the most well written stories of it's time, and I thought it was utterly fantastic. But then, I thought Undertale was fantastic as well and you were apparently not blown away by it the same as I was.

The best part of Undertale for me was the Genocide Run because of the Creepypasta nature of it.

Samtemdo8:

Drathnoxis:

Samtemdo8:

What I wanna know is how is this game remotely considered as some form of Spiritual Successor to the Mother/Earthbound series?

And I know a prototype of this game was a Rom Hack Toby did with Earthbound.

Also the meme that Sans is Ness but that came after the game released.

I have yet to play the Mother games so that is why I am asking.

I think it's the writing mainly. Kind of a generally quirky lighthearted tone. I don't know, there aren't actually that many similarities that I'm aware of. Mechanically they are very different, Earthbound is very much more the typical JRPG and no experimental mixing of gameplay and story.

You definitely should play Earthbound and especially Mother 3. Mother 3 had one of the most well written stories of it's time, and I thought it was utterly fantastic. But then, I thought Undertale was fantastic as well and you were apparently not blown away by it the same as I was.

The best part of Undertale for me was the Genocide Run because of the Creepypasta nature of it.

I was surprised when I found out the Sans battle is super popular for fan songs. Notably, the "Stronger then You" versions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho3GLleK2xA

Yeah, as everyone else has mentioned, it has a sense of charm and heart, not to mention the whole quirkiness that underlies the game. There'as also the fact that playing the pacifist and genocide runs feel very, very different, as opposed to most "Good/Evil" paths in most games, which tends to be more like "Saint/Petty Jerkass".

Earthbound trades heavily on the same sense of Quirky, but doesn't have a lot else. Mother 3, OTOH, made me cry for reals, and that doesn't happen very often.

In my mind Undertale is one of the very few games that are also solid pieces of art. I mean that as a whole too, though most of the individual details are appealing as well. The contrarians just don't get it :P

I don't have a fun, contrarian opinion on Undertale and Deltarune they're really good games. Or, well, they're really good at exactly two things that overall, they're really good games. Those two things being writing and music, of course. Actually, they serve as kind of a testament just how far these can take you. I mean, everything else is mostly competent. The character design is mostly competent. The combat is mostly competent. The world design is mostly competent. But it'd be nothing without its razor sharp writing and its effortlessly catchy music. Toby Fox is a guy who knows very well what he's good at and how to make the most of it.

 

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