History is repeating itself

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The only difference is, Half life in 2004 was best of all 3. in 2020 it will be worst of all 3. even worse, back in 2004 if someone told me 15 years later. new installment in same franchise will release but Half life would be worse of all 3 even worse than Halo and i would laugh in his face.

but i see its happening.

what do you think? lets discuss.

Isn't this stretching things? So Doom 3, Half-Life 2, and Halo 2 were released in the same year. They've all had installments between now and the present.

Anyway, if you asked me to rate the 2004 games, it would go Doom 3>Halo 2>Half-Life 2. But if we're looking at the games now, I'm not particuarly enthused about any of them. Doom Eternal could be good, but it's got to fix the mistakes of Doom 2016. Halo Infinite is a game that's obstensibly coming out in 2020, but we still know nothing about it, and what little we do know has me uneasy. And Half-Life : Alyx? That can be summed up as the following:

Valve: We're making another Half-Life game

Me: That's neat

Valve: It stars Alyx

Me: That's neat

Valve: It's an interquel

Me: Sure. We all know you can't count to 3.

Valve: It's VR exclusive

Me: Fuck off.

So, yeah. History isn't repeating itself for me. It's more a case of all three franchises being on the edge of irrelevance and/or apathy for me.

Well of course you dislike the new Half-Life, it features a female protagonist.

IceForce:
Well of course you dislike the new Half-Life, it features a female protagonist.

While HL should only star gordon freeman but the fact that its vr only is slap in the face of fans. Unless its spin off and real HL3 is on way.

B-Cell:

While HL should only star gordon freeman

Yeah, but late for that. Barney, Adrian, Gina, and Colette say hello.

I don't care, they're just fucking video games. HL is a 15ish year old franchise that some people are overly obsessed about to an unhealthy level.

If the new games aren't good, it's not the end of the fucking world, it's just a bad game, and there are thousands of those published every year. Stop hugging and crying into your Gordon Freeman body pillow and just find another game to enjoy.

What is wrong with you? Halflife Alyx looks awesome. Not having the proper controller to play it doesn't mean it wont be awesome.

Worgen:
What is wrong with you? Halflife Alyx looks awesome. Not having the proper controller to play it doesn't mean it wont be awesome.

I bet they'll release a non-VR version after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

Alright, I am definitely confused. What is a low quality/effort meme supposed to be proving here? All I can extract is that b-cell has decided the new half life game must be shit for some reason. Is this like that PlayStation meme where some eejit thought that dishonestly presenting inclusion of foliage and trees must prove all the games are the same, ignoring the simple fact that foliage and trees are quite prevailent not only in reality, but almost all media portraying outdoor areas that aren't entirely desert, ocean or space, and that nature is often aesthetically pleasing to explore? Is that what this is? Except they are between the same series, so it makes it somehow even more meaningless?

Neurotic Void Melody:
where some eejit thought that dishonestly presenting inclusion of foliage and trees must prove all the games are the same

I have no clue who you could possibly be referring to... [/sarcasm]

Adam Jensen:

Worgen:
What is wrong with you? Halflife Alyx looks awesome. Not having the proper controller to play it doesn't mean it wont be awesome.

I bet they'll release a non-VR version after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

but valve wont make another traditional Half life or single player game.

infact they havenot made one since 2011. they only make F2P and VR game. only reason Half life coming to VR is just to sell valve index and thats it.

Adam Jensen:

Worgen:
What is wrong with you? Halflife Alyx looks awesome. Not having the proper controller to play it doesn't mean it wont be awesome.

I bet they'll release a non-VR version after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

I don't think they will. But, I do think they will make a companion game for it that isn't a vr game. Maybe it will have a 3.

B-Cell:

Adam Jensen:

Worgen:
What is wrong with you? Halflife Alyx looks awesome. Not having the proper controller to play it doesn't mean it wont be awesome.

I bet they'll release a non-VR version after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

but valve wont make another traditional Half life or single player game.

infact they havenot made one since 2011. they only make F2P and VR game. only reason Half life coming to VR is just to sell valve index and thats it.

If that was the case then why are they advertising it as working with other less expensive VR sets?

Adam Jensen:

Worgen:
What is wrong with you? Halflife Alyx looks awesome. Not having the proper controller to play it doesn't mean it wont be awesome.

I bet they'll release a non-VR version after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

Is there really? It's a franchise that's been dead for well over a decade. There are plenty of gamers who have probably never even played it now, and they are the primary market that would need to make it viable. And the people who actually give a shit about HL (of which I am not one), and consider it the second coming of video game jesus for some reason (also not me, it was a fun game, but nothing to really write home about), are a fairly aging market at this point, given the full gamer market.

I just, don't really see this being as big of a deal as the people who have been carrying that HL torch all these years seem to think it will be.

Unreal Tournament 2004 is also released.

And Far Cry 1.

Hawki:

B-Cell:

While HL should only star gordon freeman

Yeah, but late for that. Barney, Adrian, Gina, and Colette say hello.

Barney at least got to show up in HL2 and the eps. The rest are MIA like they never existed at all.

And as someone who liked Opposing Force, I'm a little sad we're still never going to find out what happened to Adrian.

Worgen:

Adam Jensen:

Worgen:
What is wrong with you? Halflife Alyx looks awesome. Not having the proper controller to play it doesn't mean it wont be awesome.

I bet they'll release a non-VR version after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

I don't think they will. But, I do think they will make a companion game for it that isn't a vr game. Maybe it will have a 3.

If that's what they wanted, they need to actually announce it, or at least stop being so fucking evasive about it. What burns me, and a lot of people, is that there's no evidence HL3 is ever going to exist(or ever did in any tangible form) and yet despite years of people asking, Valve has never has the decency to just explain it's not happening/has been canceled.

Coming out of nowhere, over a decade later, to announce a VR-only side game makes it even more irritating.

Valve, you want me to be excited for Half Life again, you need to put up or shut up. #Finishwhatyoustarted

I love how you think you can tell it'll be the worst Half-Life game.

All I got from that picture is that 16 years apart, we still have games featuring rifles, hands, and Master Chief.

Adam Jensen:

I bet they'll release a non-VR version [of Half Life Alyx] after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

That's like saying they're bound to release a version of Half Life 2 that doesn't run on Steam.

B-Cell:
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Oh noooooo, videos games just so happened to have slightly similar points in their games that maybe look a tiny bit like another during gameplay. They're all the same, how could I let Big Game Industry fool me like this?! I've been paying for the same game I ever bought this whole time, all 2 decades I've bought and played video games! All that money, waaaaaaaaasted!

what do you think? lets discuss.

I think you need to stop whinging about the same 6 games and maybe actually play some new ones for once so you can whinge about them instead.

Happyninja42:
I just don't really see this being as big of a deal as the people who have been carrying that HL torch all these years seem to think it will be.

HL has been dead up until this point, so we should be grateful anyone is getting anything Half Life at all. And if HL3 does come out, I am sure it will not be the masterpiece everyone expects it to be. It's probably gonna be ok like the others, then it's gonna have a hype overload explosion, and then it's gonna pull a Duke Nukem Forever and fall over and disappear with the rest of the releases. I bet the only thing that will persist are the memes that HL3 was truly confirmed for realzies this time

Elvis Starburst:

B-Cell:
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Oh noooooo, videos games just so happened to have slightly similar points in their games that maybe look a tiny bit like another during gameplay. They're all the same, how could I let Big Game Industry fool me like this?! I've been paying for the same game I ever bought this whole time, all 2 decades I've bought and played video games! All that money, waaaaaaaaasted!

what do you think? lets discuss.

I think you need to stop whinging about the same 6 games and maybe actually play some new ones for once so you can whinge about them instead.

Happyninja42:
I just don't really see this being as big of a deal as the people who have been carrying that HL torch all these years seem to think it will be.

HL has been dead up until this point, so we should be grateful anyone is getting anything Half Life at all. And if HL3 does come out, I am sure it will not be the masterpiece everyone expects it to be. It's probably gonna be ok like the others, then it's gonna have a hype overload explosion, and then it's gonna pull a Duke Nukem Forever and fall over and disappear with the rest of the releases. I bet the only thing that will persist are the memes that HL3 was truly confirmed for realzies this time

Doom 2016 released after development hell. turn out to be one of the most praised game.

Duke forever suck because gearbox rushed and thier games suck too like alien colonial marines.

HL3 develop by valve release today would be best thing ever. but they decide not to.

B-Cell:

Elvis Starburst:

B-Cell:
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Oh noooooo, videos games just so happened to have slightly similar points in their games that maybe look a tiny bit like another during gameplay. They're all the same, how could I let Big Game Industry fool me like this?! I've been paying for the same game I ever bought this whole time, all 2 decades I've bought and played video games! All that money, waaaaaaaaasted!

what do you think? lets discuss.

I think you need to stop whinging about the same 6 games and maybe actually play some new ones for once so you can whinge about them instead.

Happyninja42:
I just don't really see this being as big of a deal as the people who have been carrying that HL torch all these years seem to think it will be.

HL has been dead up until this point, so we should be grateful anyone is getting anything Half Life at all. And if HL3 does come out, I am sure it will not be the masterpiece everyone expects it to be. It's probably gonna be ok like the others, then it's gonna have a hype overload explosion, and then it's gonna pull a Duke Nukem Forever and fall over and disappear with the rest of the releases. I bet the only thing that will persist are the memes that HL3 was truly confirmed for realzies this time

Doom 2016 released after development hell. turn out to be one of the most praised game.

Duke forever suck because gearbox rushed and thier games suck too like alien colonial marines.

HL3 develop by valve release today would be best thing ever. but they decide not to.

Duke Nukem Forever was many things. Most of them awful. Rushed however, it was not.

Squilookle:
All I got from that picture is that 16 years apart, we still have games featuring rifles, hands, and Master Chief.

Adam Jensen:

I bet they'll release a non-VR version [of Half Life Alyx] after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

That's like saying they're bound to release a version of Half Life 2 that doesn't run on Steam.

They did release versions of Half Life 2 that didn't run on steam, there are console versions of the game.

Worgen:

Squilookle:
All I got from that picture is that 16 years apart, we still have games featuring rifles, hands, and Master Chief.

Adam Jensen:

I bet they'll release a non-VR version [of Half Life Alyx] after a while. There's too much money in a Half-Life title not to.

That's like saying they're bound to release a version of Half Life 2 that doesn't run on Steam.

They did release versions of Half Life 2 that didn't run on steam, there are console versions of the game.

you have to buy expensive VR. you dont buy steam. just make account and buy a game. big difference.

Neurotic Void Melody:
Alright, I am definitely confused. What is a low quality/effort meme supposed to be proving here? All I can extract is that b-cell has decided the new half life game must be shit for some reason. Is this like that PlayStation meme where some eejit thought that dishonestly presenting inclusion of foliage and trees must prove all the games are the same, ignoring the simple fact that foliage and trees are quite prevailent not only in reality, but almost all media portraying outdoor areas that aren't entirely desert, ocean or space, and that nature is often aesthetically pleasing to explore? Is that what this is? Except they are between the same series, so it makes it somehow even more meaningless?

Oh, B-Cell just needed a reason to shit on another game that isn't even out and that he'll never play, simply because it features a female protagonist.

You're repeating yourself.

Adam Jensen:

Neurotic Void Melody:
Alright, I am definitely confused. What is a low quality/effort meme supposed to be proving here? All I can extract is that b-cell has decided the new half life game must be shit for some reason. Is this like that PlayStation meme where some eejit thought that dishonestly presenting inclusion of foliage and trees must prove all the games are the same, ignoring the simple fact that foliage and trees are quite prevailent not only in reality, but almost all media portraying outdoor areas that aren't entirely desert, ocean or space, and that nature is often aesthetically pleasing to explore? Is that what this is? Except they are between the same series, so it makes it somehow even more meaningless?

Oh, B-Cell just needed a reason to shit on another game that isn't even out and that he'll never play, simply because it features a female protagonist.

I think there's plenty of reasons to be dubious of Half-Life: Alyx, regardless of the protagonist's plumbing.

B-Cell:
Doom 2016 released after development hell. turn out to be one of the most praised game.

Yes, that does happen sometimes. Especially after 8 years of development. However...

Duke forever suck because gearbox rushed and thier games suck too like alien colonial marines.

I wouldn't call 15 years of development rushed in any sort of way. So with your logic, I'd say they rushed Doom 2016 in comparison. So I don't think age has anything to do with it.

HL3 develop by valve release today would be best thing ever. but they decide not to.

I doubt that, but optimism is a nice thing to have

Hawki:
I think there's plenty of reasons to be dubious of Half-Life: Alyx, regardless of the protagonist's plumbing.

Not if you're B-Cell. Female protagonist is all that it takes for him to lose his shit.

Adam Jensen:

Hawki:
I think there's plenty of reasons to be dubious of Half-Life: Alyx, regardless of the protagonist's plumbing.

Not if you're B-Cell. Female protagonist is all that it takes for him to lose his shit.

but i never complain about portal 2 featuring female protagonist.

Half life only need gordon freeman. well theres opposing force where you play as adrian and blueshift we play as barnay but they were expansion made by gearbox.

B-Cell:

Half life only need gordon freeman. well theres opposing force where you play as adrian and blueshift we play as barnay but they were expansion made by gearbox.

Expansions or otherwise, I dispute the idea that Half-Life is tied to Gordon.

Yes, there's arguably in-universe precedent for it, what with being there when the world needs him and all that, but it's called "Half-Life," not "Freeman." And again, he isn't even really a character.

B-Cell:

Half life only need gordon freeman. well theres opposing force where you play as adrian and blueshift we play as barnay but they were expansion made by gearbox.

They were spin-offs. So is Alyx, from the look of it.

Silvanus:

B-Cell:

Half life only need gordon freeman. well theres opposing force where you play as adrian and blueshift we play as barnay but they were expansion made by gearbox.

They were spin-offs. So is Alyx, from the look of it.

Hypothetical - if Half-Life 3 was announced today, with it being established that we weren't playing as Gordon, would that be an issue? Because I'd submit that it isn't.

B-Cell:

but i never complain about portal 2 featuring female protagonist.

That's because Chell is not a 'character'. She's a bland, mute, expressionless, personality-less floating camera with lipstick.

She's the equivalent of this:

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Elvis Starburst:

I wouldn't call 15 years of development rushed in any sort of way. So with your logic, I'd say they rushed Doom 2016 in comparison. So I don't think age has anything to do with it.

It's not like they spent all those 15 years working on the final product we got. They switched engines a bunch and probably threw out heaps of art assets due to them becoming dated as time went by. The actual meaningful development time is likely a lot less and it isn't unreasonable to assume that it might have been rushed out at the end.

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