The Remake Boom

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Hawki:

CoCage:
0 I can deal without entirely, and I consider it non-canon despite whatever Capcom says. The same attitude goes for the Revelations sub-series.

Why do you regard them as non-canon?

I more or less stated my reasons for Revelations 2 (as long as you ignore the bad ending, or the implied part where some form of Alex survives in Natalia in the good ending), so I am not gonna repeat the entire thing again. Revelations 1 (Rev 2 as well) had a bunch of plot threads or sequel hooks that Capcom set up that are never reference or mentioned afterward. And if Capcom does not nor care, why should I? Not to mention is the most convoluted games outside of RE6. Constant betrayals left and right, two of the traitors are karma houdinis. Not to mention they caused a lot of damage to the eco system with the T-Abyss virus. Raymond and Jessica, more so the former. claims to want to end bio terrorism, but causes so much unnecessary problem and destruction. Especially with the whole Double Reverse Quadruple Agent thing we've seen with Ada Wong. It's annoying and tiring. Both Revelation games are fine gameplay wise, though Rev2 feels like a low-grade Evil Within in terms of themes and enemy design. And Saw with zombies. The fact that Capcom is only distanting themselves further away with RE7 & whatever 8 becomes further proves my point.

RE0 I just plain hate. From the gameplay (no items boxes and the zapping sucks), the story, and feels bloated and unnecessary. It suffers the problem most prequels have. I like Rebecca, and Billy is cool and all, but that fact Capcom does not what to do with him or can't decide what happens to him post 0 kinda proves my point. Hell, Capcom did not know what to do with Rebecca until the CG movie Vendetta. And she works better there than 0. Marcus is interesting, but the whole opera leech queen thing I found too over-the-top even by classic RE standards. I can still acknowledge Wesker and Birkin killed him under Spencer's orders, I'm just ignore the rest of the bullshit.

CoCage:
Not to mention is the most convoluted games outside of RE6.

You know I finally played RE6 to completion the other week. It's not as convoluted as I remember. All the stories tie together quite neatly at the end if you bother to complete it. I suspect most people haven't finished it owing to how dull Chris's campaign was. I was surprised that I actually ended up enjoying large parts of it. Ada's campaign is great. I much preferred it to her DLC in RE4.

dscross:

CoCage:
Not to mention is the most convoluted games outside of RE6.

You know I finally played RE6 to completion the other week. It's not as convoluted as I remember. All the stories tie together quite neatly at the end if you bother to complete it. I suspect most people haven't finished it owing to how dull Chris's campaign was. I was surprised that I actually ended up enjoying large parts of it. Ada's campaign is great. I much preferred it to her DLC in RE4.

I know it's not as bad as some people exaggerate, but Neo-Umbrella and Jake Wesker makes it convoluted for me. The ending of Leon's campaign implies even with Simmons death, it's not the end of them. Jake's secret ending implies that he was going to be the new leading man. We still know nothing about Ada, or the organization she works for. The C-virus has no consistent logic on mutations unlike the T, G, Veronica, Abyss, or even the Las Plagas. The C Virus is a fuck you, I can do anything virus. The only consistent part of the C-Virus is that breathing it gas form turns you in to a zombie. While injections will do anything and turn you in to something. Not to mention all of the plot points or characters I just mentioned are never followed up on at all and are completely dropped in RE7. Meaning either one, some, or all of the heroes crushed the conspiracy, or we got one of the biggest retcons in video game history. Because Blue Umbrella ain't Neo-Umbrella. Speaking of Blue Umbrella, they're retcon too, because when they formed according to lore, it was around the time between RE 4 &5. You would think characters like Chris, Leon, or Ada would know about them. It's the trope called: Remember The New Guy. They were there the entire time even though, that thing, person, organization never existed until the new installment. In Blue Umbrella's case, I am not complaining, and I find it better than NeoUmb.

CoCage:
Revelations 1 (Rev 2 as well) had a bunch of plot threads or sequel hooks that Capcom set up that are never reference or mentioned afterward.

Such as?

I haven't played either, but my understanding is that Rev 1 is a kind of prequel to RE5 in that it shows the formation (or early years) of the BSAA. And Rev 2 introduced Alex Wesker (mentions in RE5 aside), who's a mastermind in Resistance, so I don't think Capcom has forgotten about her.

and Billy is cool and all, but that fact Capcom does not what to do with him or can't decide what happens to him post 0 kinda proves my point.

Or they've just decided to do nothing with him, or forgotten about him?

I can understand why people want Billy back, but he isn't really that important a character. Honestly, if we're looking at side characters in the main series, I think Sheva and Carlos are more interesting, the latter of which actually IS owed an explanation as to what happened to him post-RE3.

Hell, Capcom did not know what to do with Rebecca until the CG movie Vendetta.

That's true.

It's so weird, it's established what happens to Jill, Chris, and Barry almost immediately after RE1, but if you look at files in RE2/3, I think Rebecca only gets a single mention.

CoCage:
unlike the T, G, Veronica, Abyss, or even the Las Plagas.

Hey, don't forget the T-G virus. That worked consistently...the one time it was used...to questionable visual results...

In Blue Umbrella's case, I am not complaining, and I find it better than NeoUmb.

And there's also Red Umbrella, or the Umbrella Corps, or whatever the heck it's called. And in case you're thinking of playing Umbrella Corps to find out, DON'T!

I like the idea of Blue Umbrella too. I mean, Umbrella had to employ people who didn't know anything about its BOW research, since it still sold pharmacuticals and presumably made a profit from them, so imagine waking up one day to learn that the company you work for has actually done shady shit on the side. Make a joke about the real world if you want, but I think there's a lot you could get from the redemption angle Blue Umbrella seems to be using.

Hawki:

CoCage:
Revelations 1 (Rev 2 as well) had a bunch of plot threads or sequel hooks that Capcom set up that are never reference or mentioned afterward.

Such as?

I haven't played either, but my understanding is that Rev 1 is a kind of prequel to RE5 in that it shows the formation (or early years) of the BSAA. And Rev 2 introduced Alex Wesker (mentions in RE5 aside), who's a mastermind in Resistance, so I don't think Capcom has forgotten about her.

I literally spelled it out on a chalkboard for you, so I don't know what else to say as I am not writing an essay worth of a post right now. Just check the tropes or wiki page for Revelations 1. You'll figure the rest out yuorself.

Hawki:

and Billy is cool and all, but that fact Capcom does not what to do with him or can't decide what happens to him post 0 kinda proves my point.

Or they've just decided to do nothing with him, or forgotten about him?

I can understand why people want Billy back, but he isn't really that important a character. Honestly, if we're looking at side characters in the main series, I think Sheva and Carlos are more interesting, the latter of which actually IS owed an explanation as to what happened to him post-RE3.

Hell, Capcom did not know what to do with Rebecca until the CG movie Vendetta.

That's true.

It's so weird, it's established what happens to Jill, Chris, and Barry almost immediately after RE1, but if you look at files in RE2/3, I think Rebecca only gets a single mention.

CoCage:
unlike the T, G, Veronica, Abyss, or even the Las Plagas.

Hey, don't forget the T-G virus. That worked consistently...the one time it was used...to questionable visual results...

In Blue Umbrella's case, I am not complaining, and I find it better than NeoUmb.

And there's also Red Umbrella, or the Umbrella Corps, or whatever the heck it's called. And in case you're thinking of playing Umbrella Corps to find out, DON'T!

I like the idea of Blue Umbrella too. I mean, Umbrella had to employ people who didn't know anything about its BOW research, since it still sold pharmaceuticals and presumably made a profit from them, so imagine waking up one day to learn that the company you work for has actually done shady shit on the side. Make a joke about the real world if you want, but I think there's a lot you could get from the redemption angle Blue Umbrella seems to be using.

What you said about Billy is more or less prove my point, and we're saying the same thing. And Yes, Sheva and Carlos are more interesting than Billy. Project Resistance is non-canon anyway, so Alex return does not mean much. Even it was, her fate will stay the same, unless Capcom either bothers to follow up on it, or ignore the implication in the good ending of her survival in Natalia.

All of the viruses were still more consistent compared to the C-Virus. Especially the G-Virus. No, the non-canon Wildstorm comics don't count either. G-Virus was represented accurately in the first CG RE film. The C-Virus is the equivalent of that teenage wannabe prostitute yelling to the crowd on Maury "Whatever! Whatever! I do what I want!".

And Umbrella Corps is non-canon as far as I'm concerned.

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