Final Fantasy VII Remake: Reviews and ImpressionsThread

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hanselthecaretaker:
I never understood how people get their knickers in a bunch so badly over entertainment. There?s a distinction between hardcore ?fans? and ?fanatics? who don?t agree with the people that dedicate a good chunk of their lives both professional and personally towards making the products they?re shitting on. As long as it functions as intended, maybe try taking the artistic choices with a grain of salt and accept it for what it is.

If they have that much of an issue with how any game is designed, perhaps their lives need some hardcore re-examining until they learn to chill the fuck out. That or learn to make games themselves so they can walk a mile or two in those shoes.

I never understood how people get their knickers in a bunch so badly over what other people think of entertainment. Perhaps your life need some hardcore re-examination until you learn to chill the fuck out. See how stupid that is to say?

hanselthecaretaker:
I never understood how people get their knickers in a bunch so badly over entertainment. There?s a distinction between hardcore ?fans? and ?fanatics? who don?t agree with the people that dedicate a good chunk of their lives both professional and personally towards making the products they?re shitting on. As long as it functions as intended, maybe try taking the artistic choices with a grain of salt and accept it for what it is.

If they have that much of an issue with how any game is designed, perhaps their lives need some hardcore re-examining until they learn to chill the fuck out. That or learn to make games themselves so they can walk a mile or two in those shoes.

Very well said. Agree 100% It always annoyed me how dismissive some gamers are or how they are shitting on developers while they themselves don't have a creative bone in their body and live insignificant lives. Then again it's also a multi billion dollar industry that sells a product so there is this element of 'consumer entitlement' as well. I do believe it's a fine balance as some fan or public backlash have had a positive impact like curbing lootbox games or promoting SP titles where fans do play a role as they are pretty much free marketing. Don't think we would have either RE2/3 Remake or FF7 Remake if cries from fans weren't so loud.

Anyways I'm massively enjoying FF7 Remake. Absolutely monumental achievement that does bring back that same magic as the original. Personally I really like the 'twist'. Without going into detail it feels like a meta-commentary on the passage of time. It really does make it feel less like an 'episode 1' and more like it's own thing entirely.

Your main character jumping off a train and you get to control him immediately will always be the way to introduce Cloud. It's not about "they changed it, it sucks now", but about the choice the people at Square Enix have, because everyone knows what happens in the original game -- even zoomers have somebody to explain it to them if they don't search for stuff online. So how much mystery can they put into Sephiroth? Or any characters for that matter? They don't want to introduce characters like they would in 1997, so they do this fandom wank instead, 'cause why not? Everyone wants MORE, right? This is creative excrement.

I'll watch playthroughs of it, sure, but the game tilts the scale away from any sort of "games are art" -thing.

stroopwafel:
Don't think we would have either RE2/3 Remake or FF7 Remake if cries from fans weren't so loud.

I can't comment on FF7, but I don't recall there ever being much clamour for a RE2 remake. Capcom reportedly considered it after the RE1 remake, but they announced it in 2015, and I don't recall ever seeing serious demand for it prior to that. And RE3 began being remade in 2016, so I don't think it owes its existence to fans either.

I'm 7 chapters (14 hours) in, and digging it so far. I was hesitant to pay full price for 1/3 of a disc's worth of a 3 disc game, and while that trepidation hasn't fully vanished, it's mitigated a bit by the extent to which they truly have expanded this chapter of the game. Assuming they do have the entire Midgar arc in this game, and don't stop halfway through it, I think it'll be satisfactory as a complete product.

Gameplay is... fine. It's fundamentally the ATB system with extra steps, but that's fine. Didn't need to reinvent the wheel here. I was worried it may be too hack-and-slashy, but it's actually fairly in-depth, and would punish you for brainlessly charging in a bit. I'm playing on normal, and while I wouldn't say I've seriously struggled... I have yet to use a phoenix down, for instance, each of the boss fights has been fairly intense and pleasant.

Visuals are where the game shines, envisioning the metropolis of Midgar as two cities stacked atop each other more perfectly than any piece of FF7 media before it. I'm not an expert on graphical fidelity or the like, so that's all I can really say here. I'm sure someone more knowledgable than I can talk about resolution and frame rate and stuff. I do appreciate that they seem to have some kind of system in place that alters the lip flaps of the characters so they match no matter what language you select. It's neat how well the lips match the words in both english and japanese.

Story is final fantasy 7. There's not really anything wrong with it that wasn't already wrong with FF7. Some very, *very* anime scenes and character interactions, so if that's not your thing... well, I'm not sure why you would consider this game anyway. The game is paced fairly well, and while content is added liberally to expand most every aspect of every part of the game you'll remember from childhood (again, adapting 1/3 of 1 disc into a full product) it's mostly done in an organic way.

One thing that everyone has pointed out is how much more Avalanche's grunts have been fleshed out... which is true I guess... provided you refer to Jessie and only Jessie. At this point in the story, she could be argued to be more of a main girl than either Tifa or Aeris, and while I'm definitely happy she's getting a moment to shine, I kinda hope Biggs and Wedge get to be a bit more than the mario and the fat guy... The cute girl wasn't the only avalanche grunt, square! XD

Having fun with it so far... I get nervous with how short some of these chapters are, since I know the story is going to come to an abrupt halt and I really want to make it to the point where my boy Rufus shows up. Guess I'll reserve final judgement for when I've finished the entire thing.

Meiam:

hanselthecaretaker:
I never understood how people get their knickers in a bunch so badly over entertainment. There?s a distinction between hardcore ?fans? and ?fanatics? who don?t agree with the people that dedicate a good chunk of their lives both professional and personally towards making the products they?re shitting on. As long as it functions as intended, maybe try taking the artistic choices with a grain of salt and accept it for what it is.

If they have that much of an issue with how any game is designed, perhaps their lives need some hardcore re-examining until they learn to chill the fuck out. That or learn to make games themselves so they can walk a mile or two in those shoes.

I never understood how people get their knickers in a bunch so badly over what other people think of entertainment. Perhaps your life need some hardcore re-examination until you learn to chill the fuck out. See how stupid that is to say?

Spewing negative energy into the air based on limited, short-sighted understanding of something is the source of the issue, not someone calling it for what it is.

stroopwafel:

hanselthecaretaker:
I never understood how people get their knickers in a bunch so badly over entertainment. There?s a distinction between hardcore ?fans? and ?fanatics? who don?t agree with the people that dedicate a good chunk of their lives both professional and personally towards making the products they?re shitting on. As long as it functions as intended, maybe try taking the artistic choices with a grain of salt and accept it for what it is.

If they have that much of an issue with how any game is designed, perhaps their lives need some hardcore re-examining until they learn to chill the fuck out. That or learn to make games themselves so they can walk a mile or two in those shoes.

Very well said. Agree 100% It always annoyed me how dismissive some gamers are or how they are shitting on developers while they themselves don't have a creative bone in their body and live insignificant lives. Then again it's also a multi billion dollar industry that sells a product so there is this element of 'consumer entitlement' as well. I do believe it's a fine balance as some fan or public backlash have had a positive impact like curbing lootbox games or promoting SP titles where fans do play a role as they are pretty much free marketing. Don't think we would have either RE2/3 Remake or FF7 Remake if cries from fans weren't so loud.

Anyways I'm massively enjoying FF7 Remake. Absolutely monumental achievement that does bring back that same magic as the original. Personally I really like the 'twist'. Without going into detail it feels like a meta-commentary on the passage of time. It really does make it feel less like an 'episode 1' and more like it's own thing entirely.

Yeah if it's a shit practice that preys on consumers' then people have every right to raise their voices. I was mainly referring to stuff like "Not liking how FF7 Remake turned out". I have to wait a few days yet as Amazon moved my delivery back to the 14th. Will be looking forward to this then, and hope to finish the main story of Dark Souls 3 in the meantime.

Think I'll wait till the whole finished narrative is out in one collection before starting. I've no strong desire to get in on it anytime soon, no interest in briefly passing discourse, no emotional ties to the original having never played it, demo was fine but nothing mind-blowing to force the paws into a purchase. Also been burnt on unfinished squeenix stories before. As long as it takes, don't matter.

Neurotic Void Melody:
Think I'll wait till the whole finished narrative is out in one collection before starting. I've no strong desire to get in on it anytime soon, no interest in briefly passing discourse, no emotional ties to the original having never played it, demo was fine but nothing mind-blowing to force the paws into a purchase. Also been burnt on unfinished squeenix stories before. As long as it takes, don't matter.

I completed ff7 a long time ago but never felt the same buzz about it that many people seemed to. It's good but I'd take 6, 4, 8 and 9 over it any day. I played the demo of this new one and wasn't wowed. I feel like a lot of reviewers have an emotional tie to this game and aren't objectively looking at the flaws or doing the complete opposite and getting angry at changes. There's too much emotion tied up in this one for me to get a proper picture of what this new game is actually like. Think I'll wait for a huge price drop unless I find multiple people who can be genuinely objective to tell me their thoughts on it.

I don't usually like What Culture (in fact I don't rate this guy at all) but I found this review quite interesting because he seems to come at it from a more of a level headed perspective rather than either showering it with praise or doing a dump on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6lNJymFeYA

dscross:

I completed ff7 a long time ago but never felt the same buzz about it that many people seemed to. It's good but I'd take 6, 4, 8 and 9 over it any day. I played the demo of this new one and wasn't wowed. I feel like a lot of reviewers have an emotional tie to this game and aren't objectively looking at the flaws or doing the complete opposite and getting angry at changes. There's too much emotion tied up in this one for me to get a proper picture of what this new game is actually like. Think I'll wait for a huge price drop unless I find multiple people who can be genuinely objective to tell me their thoughts on it.

Honestly, same. Part of it is that I came to RPGs super, *duper* late in life. I had an NES when I was a small child... like 3-5, but mom saw how much I seemed to grow addicted to it and got rid of it, not letting us have another one until I was in middle school. By the time I realized there could be story based games, FF8 and 9 had already been released, and I played both before 7, liking both more. I get that liking FF8 is something of a controversial stance on the internet, but I can't help it, man... it was my first RPG.

I'm really digging it so far (about 3 and a half hours in).

I wasn't going to bother with, since I have no real history with the original game and the demo didn't do too much for me. But yeah, I actually quite like it.

Man that random moment with Cloud in Tifa's bar and Tifa's theme on the jukebox didn't leave me untouched. I don't think I ever felt a more stark reminder how quickly time passes us by.

Absolute dream game btw.

stroopwafel:
Man that random moment with Cloud in Tifa's bar and Tifa's theme on the jukebox didn't leave me untouched. I don't think I ever felt a more stark reminder how quickly time passes us by.

Absolute dream game btw.

I don't think a game has made me laugh, and cry, as much as this game has.

hanselthecaretaker:
I never understood how people get their knickers in a bunch so badly over entertainment. There?s a distinction between hardcore ?fans? and ?fanatics? who don?t agree with the people that dedicate a good chunk of their lives both professional and personally towards making the products they?re shitting on. As long as it functions as intended, maybe try taking the artistic choices with a grain of salt and accept it for what it is.

If they have that much of an issue with how any game is designed, perhaps their lives need some hardcore re-examining until they learn to chill the fuck out. That or learn to make games themselves so they can walk a mile or two in those shoes.

You don't need to be a chef to say whether a meal is good or bad.

Square ftw.

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