Why Have 4 Player Co-op Games Been Disappearing?

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This is something that's really been grinding my gears, so to speak. I've noticed fewer games are being released with 4 player offline co op. While online is fun, and you have a bigger screen, it NEVER compares to chilling on a couch with 3 other buddies, covering each other's back, eating junk food, etc. There's plenty of 2 player still around, but seeing as I only rarely hang out with less than 3 other people, this is a problem. Do any of you agree with this? For the sake of discussion, why do you think this has happened? Or do you totally disagree with me and think that 4 player offline co op is a-boomin'?

And because we're all thinking it, and personally I don't see it as sufficient reason, you don't have to bother mentioning the smaller screen size.

Left 4 Dead's a pretty cool game in that respect.

Microsoft wants to push xbox live and prevent people from not buying another console and another copy of the game.

Same reason why there aren't any games with bots.

EDIT: I stand corrected. It seems one company is defying Microsoft and giving us Bots.

Hurrah for EPIC games!!!!!

So my new question is, name one company besides EPIC that's giving us games with multiplayer bots.

Well, Halo 3 kinda has a 4-player split screen co-opish online multiplayer mode. I love that feature.

either the frame rate takes it up the ass from the splitting of the screen(don't ask how, i'm just theorising.), they decide that no one plays offline coop(bullshit.), or they want to be assholes(not putting to much stock in this theory.). also they=devlopers.

It's easier to find one friend to play with offline than three. Also, as far as offline co-op is concerned, more players means more splits in the screen, and in my opinion, splitting it once is bad enough.

L4D?

I think a big reason is, and the reason I wouldn't play 4 player splitscreen, is that game nowadays tend to be made with HDTVs in mind (at least most PS3 games seem to be) and I don't have one, nor do many other people. And I have serious trouble reading text or seeing anything when I have the WHOLE TV, I can't imagine only having 25% of that.

grimsprice:
Microsoft wants to push xbox live and prevent people from not buying another console and another copy of the game.

Same reason why there aren't any games with bots. Name 2 games that have multiplayer bots on the 360?

Gears Of War 2 and Unreal Tournament 3, I think.
But I think they are the only two. Yeah, the question may not have needed to be answered but I thought I would do so anyway.

OT: I think it may be the push to get us all online. Either that or the graphics would be too much for 4 player co-op to handle.

Can you give me a few good reasons why you'd share "your" moutain dew and cheetos?

robert632:
either the frame rate takes it up the ass from the splitting of the screen(don't ask how, i'm just theorising.)

I don´t thinks so.It's a good theory,but i´m sure that i would have noticed it after all the 4 player co-op i did when i was younger.

I think it has something to do with processing and framerate issues.

it doesn't make much sense to me considering the PS3 is allowed to support up to 7 controllers or something like that. The 360 is allowed to assign 4 controllers, so even for them it doesn't make sense.

I miss the good ol' days of 4 player split screen. Oh N64...

I don't know, its a feature I wish more games would impliment.

sasquatch99:

grimsprice:
Microsoft wants to push xbox live and prevent people from not buying another console and another copy of the game.

Same reason why there aren't any games with bots. Name 2 games that have multiplayer bots on the 360?

Gears Of War 2 and Unreal Tournament 3, I think.
But I think they are the only two. Yeah, the question may not have needed to be answered but I thought I would do so anyway.

OT: I think it may be the push to get us all online. Either that or the graphics would be too much for 4 player co-op to handle.

Gears of War 2 doesn't count. At least if you're talking about horde. Those are in game special bad guys. In other words, they're not replacements of human players. You can't have say..... one human-player/4 human-bots against 3 locust-bots/2locust-players.

Because there are more and more options for coop that don't require breaking out the eyestrain-o-vision, while 2 player split screen is a fairly basic concession. Chances are, if you have 3 friends who want to do coop together, you all each own the platform you want to play the game on.

RAND00M:

robert632:
either the frame rate takes it up the ass from the splitting of the screen(don't ask how, i'm just theorising.)

I don´t thinks so.It's a good theory,but i´m sure that i would have noticed it after all the 4 player co-op i did when i was younger.

the older consoles didn't have to process a whole lot to keep decent graphics. Play Halo 3 with 4 people split screen, then find Goldeneye 64.

Lets just face it: these consoles are just too sophisticated for their own good.

orangeapples:
Lets just face it: these consoles are just too sophisticated for their own good.

So we must dumb them down to make them more enjoyable?

Dr.Sean:
Left 4 Dead's a pretty cool game in that respect.

j0z:
L4D?

I think a big reason is, and the reason I wouldn't play 4 player splitscreen, is that game nowadays tend to be made with HDTVs in mind (at least most PS3 games seem to be) and I don't have one, nor do many other people. And I have serious trouble reading text or seeing anything when I have the WHOLE TV, I can't imagine only having 25% of that.

Guys, L4D is only 2 players offline last I checked. Actually seeing as I've only played it like 2-3 times, I might be wrong. But I remember checking and being dissapointed...

The game I had most in mind with this post was Borderlands. That kind of upset me, not only can you only do 2 players on the same TV, but you can only have ONE player per Xbox when you're online.

Xanadu84:
Because there are more and more options for coop that don't require breaking out the eyestrain-o-vision, while 2 player split screen is a fairly basic concession. Chances are, if you have 3 friends who want to do coop together, you all each own the platform you want to play the game on.

This is true, but we lack the ability to have 2 televisions in the same room, and one of us can't get Live due to crap internet. And I don't think I'm the only one, I know lots of people who mooch off other people's consoles.

And one last thing:

RAND00M:
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Your avatar is freaky as hell.

ShotgunShaman:

Dr.Sean:
Left 4 Dead's a pretty cool game in that respect.

j0z:
L4D?

I think a big reason is, and the reason I wouldn't play 4 player splitscreen, is that game nowadays tend to be made with HDTVs in mind (at least most PS3 games seem to be) and I don't have one, nor do many other people. And I have serious trouble reading text or seeing anything when I have the WHOLE TV, I can't imagine only having 25% of that.

Guys, L4D is only 2 players offline last I checked. Actually seeing as I've only played it like 2-3 times, I might be wrong. But I remember checking and being dissapointed...

The game I had most in mind with this post was Borderlands. That kind of upset me, not only can you only do 2 players on the same TV, but you can only have ONE player per Xbox when you're online.

Really? I don't play it very often, but I thought it was 4 offline, I am probably wrong though.

RAND00M:

robert632:
either the frame rate takes it up the ass from the splitting of the screen(don't ask how, i'm just theorising.)

I don´t thinks so.It's a good theory,but i´m sure that i would have noticed it after all the 4 player co-op i did when i was younger.

yes but that's the difference between then and now. what wasn't an issue before has become an issue.i'm guessing back then they didn't have to push the graphics so hard , and the system could handle generating four different perspectives, but now that people want top of the line graphics, it's gotten to hard on the sytems, and when they finnaly figured out how to do it, they reilized nobody complained about no 4 player offline coop, and decided that it was something they could cut.

I think they're thinking that having 4 people would make it too easy. I mean when your offline you can also look at your freinds screen to make sure they don't die but if your online you have to listen to what they have to say and guess. Also having the 2 player feature might actually make it smoother due to the fact that its hard to do stuff when there are 3 people in the way.

The wider usage of big-screen TVs kind of allows for more split screens, but you obviously don't want to assume everyone has one. I'd agree it's probably mostly just developer greed for more copies of the game.

grimsprice:

sasquatch99:

grimsprice:
Microsoft wants to push xbox live and prevent people from not buying another console and another copy of the game.

Same reason why there aren't any games with bots. Name 2 games that have multiplayer bots on the 360?

Gears Of War 2 and Unreal Tournament 3, I think.
But I think they are the only two. Yeah, the question may not have needed to be answered but I thought I would do so anyway.

OT: I think it may be the push to get us all online. Either that or the graphics would be too much for 4 player co-op to handle.

Gears of War 2 doesn't count. At least if you're talking about horde. Those are in game special bad guys. In other words, they're not replacements of human players. You can't have say..... one human-player/4 human-bots against 3 locust-bots/2locust-players.

Yes you can. In private and local matches, you can replace humans with bots.

robert632:
-snip-

So if we boycott all co-op games that don´t feature 4 player offline co-op,we might get it again?

What, you mean like Left 4 Dead and Borderlands?

ReinofFire:
I think they're thinking that having 4 people would make it too easy. I mean when your offline you can also look at your friends screen to make sure they don't die but if your online you have to listen to what they have to say and guess. Also having the 2 player feature might actually make it smoother due to the fact that its hard to do stuff when there are 3 people in the way.

Katana314:
The wider usage of big-screen TVs kind of allows for more split screens, but you obviously don't want to assume everyone has one. I'd agree it's probably mostly just developer greed for more copies of the game.

Well it seems like these games were most common back before HDTV. But I think the money grubbing is a good possibility.

PoisonUnagi:
What, you mean like Left 4 Dead and Borderlands?

No, this is exactly what my problem is. I'm talking about games where you can have 4 players located in one room, with one television, on one xbox, playing through a campaign at the same time.

RAND00M:

orangeapples:
Lets just face it: these consoles are just too sophisticated for their own good.

So we must dumb them down to make them more enjoyable?

yeah, why do you think I'm playing my PS2 and GC more than my 360 or PS3?

these games are getting too focused on the technical aspect that they are forgetting the "fun" part of playing GAMES.

I think the best example is Prince of Persia. If you don't know, watch Yahtzee's vid about POP2008.

personally, I don't care if a game runs at full 1080p (I think the next one is 1640p) at 120 hertz. I don't care about how "visually stunning" or "realistic" a game is. I want my games to be fun. if the game is only going to let 2 people play at a time, unless you have more than 1 console even though the console can support up to 4 players makes it less fun and more of a chore.

Compatriot Block:
Yes you can. In private and local matches, you can replace humans with bots.

Holy shit! You can? I've owned that game for like... a year or something, and i play online all the friggin time. I did not know that. lol. Well hurrah for EPIC games. They're the only company that creates in-game bots.

I imagine it is incredibly difficult to create a campaign that plays well both with one player character and four player characters. While it can be done of a lot of focus is being done it (l4d) it isn't something most games will do. Also, most games don't really need it, sure it would be nice but the average person likely wouldn't use it enough to play it. The average set up is a decent campaign with 2player co-op and a large multiplayer side, 4 player co-op is mostly a novelty for these games. The only other way would be if a game went full campaign or full multiplayer. Most games that are solely campaign likely can't fit 4 players in the genre and multiplayer games are dependent on the game mechanics.

As the xbox melts itself half the time, you really don't want to be putting more strain on it. It would be nice, but the experience from the games would be a little diminished for the console to not die because of it. On a PS3, i'm sure it's more possible, if not easy... but not many have a ps3 and theres not that many games out for the thing.

Anyone else remember at the start of this gen how fuck all racing games had 2 player options?
It seems developers think that now we have online, we dont need it.
Atleast thre aregames like Gears 2, L4D, Borderlands and Resistance 2 that implement it.

ScruffyTheJanitor:
As the xbox melts itself half the time, you really don't want to be putting more strain on it. It would be nice, but the experience from the games would be a little diminished for the console to not die because of it. On a PS3, i'm sure it's more possible, if not easy... but not many have a ps3 and theres not that many games out for the thing.

What the fuck?

orangeapples:
yeah, why do you think I'm playing my PS2 and GC more than my 360 or PS3?

Because they're way more enjoyable.I would personally like to play a 24 hour marathon of Time Splitter with 3 other people then some random game that isn't as fun but has way better graphics.

RAND00M:

robert632:
-snip-

So if we boycott all co-op games that don´t feature 4 player offline co-op,we might get it again?

no. boycotts don't work in this situation. just look at the short lived MW2 boycott(i saw it some where.) or the disasterous L4D2 boycott. it just doesn't work to well.

robert632:
no. boycotts don't work in this situation. just look at the short lived MW2 boycott(i saw it some where.) or the disasterous L4D2 boycott. it just doesn't work to well.

Those were boycott's on specific games.I´m talking about boycotting every game that claims to be a co-op.No exceptions.

Borderlands is a good, recent, 4 player Co-op

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