Mass Effect 3 Ending Conspiracy. If you love Mass Effect and hated the ending, READ THIS PLEASE

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Bravo 21:

Quite true. I suppose this merely puts sentient back to the level of humanity prior to the first contact war, but with all the blueprints they need and a massive drive to rebuild.

As for Shepard and the crew dying, I figure I might as well quote Miracle of Sound "It's time to end this story" and "we'll hold the line, at whatever the cost". Both things have now occured, with Shepard and the crew dying/being stranded, while the ending leaves a great deal of potential for more games in the Mass Effect universe.
and at least Shepard didn't pull a Vader-esque "Noooooo" like in the end of Revenge of the Sith, that would have been completely unforgivable.

Well Shepard and his crew can live, and if you do the Merge or Control endings everyone gains the badassery of the Reapers which would make rebuilding the relays even faster.

The destruction ending is probably the worst one, but even then Shepard can live, and The Normandy crew survives, it just takes longer to rebuild the relays.

the galaxy really isn't that bad off without the relays.

SajuukKhar:

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Fair enough, it's just the merge/control endings struck me as something that Saren/TIM would do, and after so much time hating Cerberus and chasing Saren, They just weren't for me. You are correct about the endings though

Go play the Geth/Quarian missions again because you're wrong. The entire time was spent on one big guilt trip about how the Geth wanted to help the Quarians but the big mean Quarian government flipped out when it realized they were sentient and was all KILL THEM ALL. Meanwhile they're hitting themselves over the head with a hammer going "Does the creator wish me to destroy myself? How can I help?" After the Quarian shoot fleeing, surrendering and cowering geth enough times, Legion grabs a gun and enough Geth follow his lead that they defeat the Q's. Q's flee. They can't decide if they're more likely to survive by killing the Q's or not so they let them leave. Only instances of geth aggression are when some geth get indoctrinated/reprogrammed/whatever into the "heretics"... by the Reapers. And then in three when they act out of self defense and you get told at LEAST a half dozen times that if the Q's stopped shooting at them they'd never hurt a fly.

Just finished the game, and I can't really see where all the backlash is coming from. I'd always like more, but all options resulted in the threat being ended and the survivors seeing hope on the horizon. A better future.

As for the theories, I feel I need to point out a few things.
1. Paragon isn't good and renegade bad, paragon is the goodie-goodie nice hero who won't sacrifice the one for the many while renegade is the bleep-this-I'm-taking-the-shot guy. As such both shooting The Illusive Man and blasting the Reapers (along with the geth and EDI) WAS the renegade option, that's not backwards. Sacrificing yourself so noone else must die WAS paragon, no matter whose idea it was.
2. You disregard the very possible scenario that the slow movement was there to add a wounded feel to it all, walking on will alone. Nothing left to give, but unable to give up.
3. This one is probably the biggest argument I have. It didn't happen. Would have been a good show if it did, but it didn't. Shepard didn't wake to be told it was all a dream, he didn't do anything after that. The story ended. If this was all a ruse, we'd have seen its effects, but we didn't...because it wasn't a ruse.

But really, I liked the game, just like I liked KotOR, ME, DA, ME2 and DA2. Could it have been better? Sure. But I liked it. Had a bit of a 1984 feeling at the end where my wishes changed as the mission went along. I wanted to win so we could all get back to our old lives. Then I wanted to win so we could repopulate Earth and rebuild. Then I wanted to get people safely away to start over elsewhere. And finally I just wanted the damn thing to end, not really caring how.

Lithan:
Go play the Geth/Quarian missions again because you're wrong. The entire time was spent on one big guilt trip about how the Geth wanted to help the Quarians but the big mean Quarian government flipped out when it realized they were sentient and was all KILL THEM ALL. Meanwhile they're hitting themselves over the head with a hammer going "Does the creator wish me to destroy myself? How can I help?" After the Quarian shoot fleeing, surrendering and cowering geth enough times, Legion grabs a gun and enough Geth follow his lead that they defeat the Q's. Q's flee. They can't decide if they're more likely to survive by killing the Q's or not so they let them leave. Only instances of geth aggression are when some geth get indoctrinated/reprogrammed/whatever into the "heretics"... by the Reapers. And then in three when they act out of self defense and you get told at LEAST a half dozen times that if the Q's stopped shooting at them they'd never hurt a fly.

Again you are taking things in a Reaper existent universe and trying to use them as proof the same things would happen in a non reaper existent universe.

You are saying the equivalent of because humans evolved the way we did in a solar system with a yellow sun we would have evolved the same way if your sun was blue.

We wouldn't have, and using one as proof of the other isn't possible because they are different situations.

"I just wanted the damn thing to end, not really caring how."

So you and the writers have that in common.

This is now my favorite theory on the internet. I really want to believe it because your points do make sense.

- I reloaded the pistol out of habit, didn't know it had infinite ammo, I was under the impression at the time that they were just hiding the hud for effect.

- Armor being melted and stuff, well, I figured that I really had no idea what sort of effect a Reaper's cannon would have on it. It must have been a glancing blow, because in every other encounter it results in instant death.

If that is for real. If the "1M1" isn't just simple copy-pasting of a graphic from one bulkhead to another. If it was just a dream-like sequence caused by indoctrination...

And not just lousy writing.

Lithan:
"I just wanted the damn thing to end, not really caring how."

So you and the writers have that in common.

No one here wanted that.

I wanted the ending to be based of of the themes of the series, which it did.

SajuukKhar:

Lithan:
Go play the Geth/Quarian missions again because you're wrong. The entire time was spent on one big guilt trip about how the Geth wanted to help the Quarians but the big mean Quarian government flipped out when it realized they were sentient and was all KILL THEM ALL. Meanwhile they're hitting themselves over the head with a hammer going "Does the creator wish me to destroy myself? How can I help?" After the Quarian shoot fleeing, surrendering and cowering geth enough times, Legion grabs a gun and enough Geth follow his lead that they defeat the Q's. Q's flee. They can't decide if they're more likely to survive by killing the Q's or not so they let them leave. Only instances of geth aggression are when some geth get indoctrinated/reprogrammed/whatever into the "heretics"... by the Reapers. And then in three when they act out of self defense and you get told at LEAST a half dozen times that if the Q's stopped shooting at them they'd never hurt a fly.

Again you are taking things in a Reaper existent universe and trying to use them as proof the same things would happen in a non reaper existent universe.

You are saying the equivalent of because humans evolved the way we did in a solar system with a yellow sun we would have evolved the same way if your sun was blue.

We wouldn't have, and using one as proof of the other isn't possible because they are different situations.

Except the reapers played no role whatsoever in the what three hundred years or so the Geth evolved in. You need to give up. Violence without purpose is illogical. The game echos this over and over and over in making the point that both EDI and geth have only been violent as a reaction. The games entire premise for the Geths existence being supremely peaceful if not forced to violence is made so blatantly clear in ME3 that you have to actually say "Ok, we get it already," after the fourth or fifth time Legion talks about how the Geth are only acting in self defense, or shows you a video of them offering to surrender and be deactivated to prevent conflict. This has nothing to do with the reapers forcing people to band together. In Mass Effect, AI's stand to gain nothing from violence, so they are nonviolent unless forced to defend themselves. The game could not possibly make this any more clear. And then in the last scene it goes OH MY GOD THE ROBOTS WILL EAT YOUR BABIES AND RAPE YOUR FACE!

Adam Jensen:
I don't think it was a dream or hallucination or indoctrination. I think Bioware just royally fucked up. And that texture thing is just a mistake. It happens.

More likely it's just this.

Lithan:

Except the reapers played no role whatsoever in the what three hundred years or so the Geth evolved in. You need to give up. Violence without purpose is illogical. The game echos this over and over and over in making the point that both EDI and geth have only been violent as a reaction. The games entire premise for the Geths existence being supremely peaceful if not forced to violence is made so blatantly clear in ME3 that you have to actually say "Ok, we get it already," after the fourth or fifth time Legion talks about how the Geth are only acting in self defense, or shows you a video of them offering to surrender and be deactivated to prevent conflict. This has nothing to do with the reapers forcing people to band together. In Mass Effect, AI's stand to gain nothing from violence, so they are nonviolent unless forced to defend themselves. The game could not possibly make this any more clear. And then in the last scene it goes OH MY GOD THE ROBOTS WILL EAT YOUR BABIES AND RAPE YOUR FACE!

Except Quarrian technology is based off of The Mass Relay technology, the reapers technology, and Geth technology is based off of Quarrian technology.

So you are just plain wrong in saying the reaper didn't influence the Geth technologically.
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Also as I pointed out the Geth would only start the war after organics continued to harass them, defending oneself from aggression is not pointless, so your argument falls apart right there.

It is exactly the reason why the mourning war was started.

SajuukKhar:

Lithan:

Except the reapers played no role whatsoever in the what three hundred years or so the Geth evolved in. You need to give up. Violence without purpose is illogical. The game echos this over and over and over in making the point that both EDI and geth have only been violent as a reaction. The games entire premise for the Geths existence being supremely peaceful if not forced to violence is made so blatantly clear in ME3 that you have to actually say "Ok, we get it already," after the fourth or fifth time Legion talks about how the Geth are only acting in self defense, or shows you a video of them offering to surrender and be deactivated to prevent conflict. This has nothing to do with the reapers forcing people to band together. In Mass Effect, AI's stand to gain nothing from violence, so they are nonviolent unless forced to defend themselves. The game could not possibly make this any more clear. And then in the last scene it goes OH MY GOD THE ROBOTS WILL EAT YOUR BABIES AND RAPE YOUR FACE!

Except Quarrian technology is based off of The Mass Relay technology, the reapers technology, and Geth technology is based off of Quarrian technology.

So you are just plain wrong in saying the reaper didn't influence the Geth technologically.
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also as I pointed out the Geth would only start the war after organics continued to harass them, defending oneself from agress is not pointless, so your argument falls apart right there.

You're assuming that reaper tech was used in the original Geth which is based on what? The fact that the game makes no mention of this despite mentioning people using reaper tech, oh about a thousand times, basically at every opportunity. And if you think that rudamentary VI technology (which geth were designed to be, then they gained complexity through networking) would be derived from FTL travel tech, well then you should go back to school.

And you should read my first post. Obviously the presumption is that at some point there will have to be organics that don't seek ceaselessly to destroy their creations. Hard to fathom not wanting to do that, I know, but surely some would be able to resist that urge to create life and then destroy it. I mean not every parent drowns their child at birth... granted most do, but still.

Lithan:

You're assuming that reaper tech was used in the original Geth which is based on what? The fact that the game makes no mention of this despite mentioning people using reaper tech, oh about a thousand times, basically at every opportunity.

And you should read my first post. Obviously the presumption is that at some point there will have to be organics that don't seek ceaselessly to destroy their creations. Hard to fathom not wanting to do that, I know, but surely some would be able to resist that urge to create life and then destroy it. I mean not every parent drowns their child at birth... granted most do, but still.

No, I never once said that Reaper Technology was used in the creation of the geth. I said reaper tech influenced Quarrian tech and Quarrian tech influenced Geth tech. Next time dont make up things about what I said.

Also look at human history, there has never been a point were humans didn't seek to destroy that which isn't them. It is one of the most basic biological impulses of all life.

SajuukKhar:

Lithan:

You're assuming that reaper tech was used in the original Geth which is based on what? The fact that the game makes no mention of this despite mentioning people using reaper tech, oh about a thousand times, basically at every opportunity.

And you should read my first post. Obviously the presumption is that at some point there will have to be organics that don't seek ceaselessly to destroy their creations. Hard to fathom not wanting to do that, I know, but surely some would be able to resist that urge to create life and then destroy it. I mean not every parent drowns their child at birth... granted most do, but still.

No, I never once said that Reaper Technology was used in the creation of the geth. I said reaper tech influenced Quarrian tech and Quarrian tech influenced Geth tech.

Except that doesn't make any sense at all. That's like saying that reaper tech influenced Toothbrush tech because toothbrushes were made by civilizations that had access to the relays.

SajuukKhar:
I love how desperate fans are to invalidate the entire point of the game series so they can ride off into the sunset with their space-waifus.

At first it was funny
Then it got pathetic
Now its funny again.

Its pathetically funny...

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yeah, I got nothing else...

Turtleboy1017:
*very-interesting-theory-snip*

In a very strange, twisted sort of way, that makes some sense. And personally, I hope sometime soon, Bioware either pops up after a little while and goes, "Yep. That was our plan, so get ready for some kick-ass DLC or a patch so you can really see the outcome!", or simply takes that opportunity and runs with it. I can see a lot of posts of people simply going "People whining for their space-waifus/husbandos! Get over it, its a great downer ending!", but the fact is, the ending, taken as it is without looking into it as you have, was unsatisfactory and invalidates everything my Shepard and countless other Shepards have done, not only in previous games, but in the preparation against the Reapers. I don't care if Shepard dies, but I do care how my Shepard dies.

Unfortunately, I can see a small inconsistency that works against your theory.

Still, a very interesting theory, and I'm going to hold onto it. Might end up making future playthroughs less depressing in the end.

"there has never been a point were humans didn't seek to destroy that which isn't them It is one of the most basic biological impulses of all life."

That's pretty absurd even for the internet. If we're going to just start making shit up and pretending we know what we're talking about, then an omniscient godchild told me you're wrong.

Lithan:
Except that doesn't make any sense at all. That's like saying that reaper tech influenced Toothbrush tech because toothbrushes were made by civilizations that had access to the relays.

Except there is a very large difference in that spaceship, mass effect drives, and mass effect based weapons ALL come from the Mas Relay technology.

All of the things related to those, which is a very large part of galactic civilization is influenced by those.

Your toothbrush example is a hyperbole having to do nothing with that we are discussing.

And which of those things existed in the helper/agriculture robots with a wireless networking system designed to increase processing power?

Hell real world technology is damn close to building what the Geth started as. Saying that there was any reason whatsoever to start stuffing parts of mysterious space stations that let you leap across the galaxy into a robot designed to harvest your wheat is grasping pretty hard for straws.

ME is pretty damn clear on this. No magical EEZO going into Geth. They formed AI through brute force. Network enough sufficiently powerful processors together and it eventually emulates intelligence effectively. They DO get reaper upgrades in ME3... and Legion makes a point of it giving them "True" intelligence.

Lithan:
And which of those things existed in the helper/agriculture robots with a wireless networking system designed to increase processing power?

Hell real world technology is damn close to building what the Geth started as. Saying that there was any reason whatsoever to start stuffing parts of mysterious space stations that let you leap across the galaxy into a robot designed to harvest your wheat is grasping pretty hard for straws.

The Geth stopped being that a long time ago, and have evolved, and have used the Mass Relays and have ships and weapons that use Mass Effect fields.

the geth's technology has been inflused by the Reapers.

I think you've backtracked sufficiently that I don't need to prove you wrong anymore.

Theres nothing in any way shape or form that implies in even the weakest sense that geth processes prior to the reaper upgrades in ME3 utilize reaper tech, or anything derived from reaper tech, or anything derived from anything derived from reaper tech.

You accuse these guys wanting it all to be a dream of grasping at straws... you're far far worse than they are. The ending makes no sense because the Devs got lazy, rushed or stupid. It's that simple. At least their delusion is motivated out of wishing for something better. Yours is just wanting to be right.

Mass Effect is about something, it's about a question, a question that is asked in every installment. Is subservience preferable to extinction? It was there in Mass Effect 1, Saren believed the answer was yes, but he had been indoctrinated by Sovereign. In Mass Effect 2 we say the results of that subservience with the Collectors. Now in Mass Effect 3 the question is asked again, by the Reapers, to you, and if you know the Reapers the answer sure as hell is yes. So it makes sense that they would not want you to destroy them, they would do everything in their power to make you see that it's better to keep to Reapers around then destroy them. Honestly given how many people I've seen calling the destruction option the bad option, I would say it worked. I don't think this was all a dream, but given the inversion of the Paragon/Renegade mechanics Reapers trying to indoctrinate Sheppard makes sense. It's also why there are no dialogue options during the conversation with the god-kid, even though the last conversation with TIM was a boss fight with words. The god-kid said that synthetics and organics will always fight, that differences will always breed strife, and then I looked back on what I accomplished in the game, and I said "No." Maybe I did destroy the mass relays, but how could that destroy the geth, who are based on a completely different technology? How can it destroy EDI, who is based on an Alliance VI? I think the god-kid was lying to you, fucking with you, how else does indoctrination work? As for the closure that so many angry fans bitch about? Well my Sheppard is still alive at the end, and the crew of the Normandy survived, somewhere out there. Perhaps the next story of the Sheppard was how he got his wayward flock back?

SajuukKar, you made some good points at the beginning, but now you just seem to be trying to piss people off (me particularly with your constant misspelling of 'Quarian').

Now back to the endings. The first time I saw mine (Control, last night), I felt nothing. Then I moped and whined and kept telling myself it couldn't be true. Then I waited, rewatched it, and took each ending for what it was: BioWare's official ending. When I read a YouTube comment about how Shepard was sacrificing his very being to end the conflict (while watching the Synthesis ending and listening to Clint Mansell's GORGEOUS tune), I wept silently and slowly. I refuse to believe that this series, after all the care that fans and developers have given it thus far, ends in a manner that the developers didn't carefully and deeply consider.

I'd love to believe it's all a big conspiracy, but the cold, hard fact is... It isn't. From Ashes wasn't vital to the story as many fans claim (although it did give nice exposition for the Collector-like statues on Thessia. Seriously, though; I thought they were supposed to look like Husks). Neither will any DLC released later. The dreamlike sequence and whatnot was reminiscent to the ending of Uncharted 3 for me; however, in Uncharted, they actually revealed the hallucinations to BE hallucinations. This is the final product, and no one is going to change it.

The ending, in my opinion, gives great closure. In Synthesis (which I see as the true ending), you sacrifice your very essence to completely and fully resolve the conflict. I can't think of a better ending for Shepard. I'd love to go off into the sunset with Liara, but that 'final gift' she gives you (and no, it isn't sex) just adds to the finality of their relationship. With the destruction of the Mass Relays, the Reaper's hold on the galaxy is destroyed. As Sovereign said, the Reapers forged the relays so that galactic civilization would develop along the paths they desired. What bugs me, though, is that, by their destruction, everyone should be dead. Joker being mid-jump saves him. I'd like to cling to the notion that everyone survives, so I will. Garrus and Tali live happily ever after on that unknown planet (and DO NOT die of starvation!) alongside EDI and Joker. Liara gives birth to little Mordin, and everyone helps raise her. But I digress...

In reference to the Reaper's motivation, it makes sense. This being wants to preserve life at any cost. In order to combat the 'chaos' of eventual destruction at the hands of our creations, they preserve the best batch of organics in Reaper form. As Harbinger said, "Your species has the attention of those infinitely your greater". By this, he isn't referring to the other species; he means the Reapers. I would have absolutely loved to chat up old Harby in the end about why; King of the Reapers would seem a fitting representative for conveying their purpose. The god-child thing is a bit confusing, but deeply symbolic (though I'm not quite sure how).

I am growing to accept the ending. It, despite what we all think, hope, and dream, is what BioWare intended it to be in the end (which I know is a tautology). Pure and simple.

Lithan:
I think you've backtracked sufficiently that I don't need to prove you wrong anymore.

Theres nothing in any way shape or form that implies in even the weakest sense that geth processes prior to the reaper upgrades in ME3 utilize reaper tech, or anything derived from reaper tech, or anything derived from anything derived from reaper tech.

You accuse these guys wanting it all to be a dream of grasping at straws... you're far far worse than they are. The ending makes no sense because the Devs got lazy, rushed or stupid. It's that simple. At least their delusion is motivated out of wishing for something better. Yours is just wanting to be right.

Yes because Mass effect engines, mass effect gun and other Mass effect based weapons which arell come from Reaper tech and are all used by the gun means they havent used Reaper tech?

Do you even understand how contradictory that is?

Lithan:
I think you've backtracked sufficiently that I don't need to prove you wrong anymore.

Theres nothing in any way shape or form that implies in even the weakest sense that geth processes prior to the reaper upgrades in ME3 utilize reaper tech, or anything derived from reaper tech, or anything derived from anything derived from reaper tech.

You accuse these guys wanting it all to be a dream of grasping at straws... you're far far worse than they are. The ending makes no sense because the Devs got lazy, rushed or stupid. It's that simple. At least their delusion is motivated out of wishing for something better. Yours is just wanting to be right.

I suggest you stop giving a toss about proving him wrong.
The guy you're arguing with is an unholy fusion of EternalNothingness and Zeel.

I admit I finished the game and I was also left with a bitter taste in my mouth when presented the options...

I chose the middle option. The merge one.

Why?

I chose that one because the thought of destroying all Synthetic life (Geth and Reaper) just seemed way too extreme of a Paragon choice. I fought hard, made allies with the Geth, lost a friend who sacrificed himself to better his people, only to have it all wiped out because of a button? Umm pass.

The control option. Again pass. This was a horrible moral choice made by TIM that I as a paragon was extremely against, and to sink to that option was to go against everything I fought so hard to stop.

The merge one seemed to be the best of the three choices. The better of all worlds where peace could be earned and kept.

Bravo 21:

SajuukKhar:

Bravo 21:
Did some more thinking, even if the relays are destroyed, there is still the FTL drives, slower than mass relays, but still not half bad. Galactic Civilization isn't dead, it just moves slower now, more like, say Firefly, where it can take days, or even weeks to get to a neighboring system. Maybe... just maybe.. this isn't horrible, or maybe I'm just grasping at straws.

You also forget that many of the races had studies the mass relays for years and the asari were at the point they COULD build some.

Quite true. I suppose this merely puts sentient back to the level of humanity prior to the first contact war, but with all the blueprints they need and a massive drive to rebuild.

As for Shepard and the crew dying, I figure I might as well quote Miracle of Sound "It's time to end this story" and "we'll hold the line, at whatever the cost". Both things have now occured, with Shepard and the crew dying/being stranded, while the ending leaves a great deal of potential for more games in the Mass Effect universe.
and at least Shepard didn't pull a Vader-esque "Noooooo" like in the end of Revenge of the Sith, that would have been completely unforgivable.

FTL drives require Eezo, if you've spent time mining for mineral's in ME2 you'll know just how rare an element that is, you visit a planet that's essentially an old sace battlefield with derelict eezo cores up the ying-yang and you'll find about 15k units of the stuff, and remember that it takes as many as 2k units to power a biotic...

Add to that the fact that not every solar system is lucky enough to have an eezo rich planet, and it still paints a picture of entire solar systems getting stranded or ships only having enough reserves to hop through two or 3 neighboring solar systems, which also many not be enough to find a source of it and set up a refinery.

Still a bleak picture.

SajuukKhar:
the catalyst was right, a galaxy without the reapers is a galaxy were synthetics are destined to destroy organics.

This doesn't make sense to me. If that's the case, why bother "Speeding up" tech development by leaving mass effect technology for races to find?

The catalyst says that organics will inevitably create synthetics and there will inevitably be conflict. If the reapers came in to wipe out advanced organics around the same time they create synthetic life, then I would agree, but that's not the case. Why would they bother speeding up organic development time if it's simply to avoid organic/synthetic conflict? Why not come in around the time synthetic life is created such as when the Quarians were making the Geth.

What I think is likely is something similar to the Matrix, hear me out.

Suppose the earliest advanced race, that had no reapers to worry about, advanced in technology to the point where they created an intelligent machine i.e. the original reapers. There was conflict, they went to war, reapers won. In need of a power source sufficient enough to sustain them, they start harvesting organics like wheat once they've progressed to a certain point of advancement where 1) their theoretical population size is sufficient enough for them to maintain power and 2) Just before they gain the kind of technological power to defeat the reapers. The existence of the reaper on the collector base that essentially runs on human slurry could be evidence of that.

Over time, in order to increase efficiency and consistency in their harvest, they leave their tech on key worlds for advancing races to find and cuts their development time down significantly enough for the reapers to come in and repeat the process.

I think that the catalyst knew this, and wanted you to choose the option of control as a kind of false hope because it's worried. The synthesis option seems to be in the reapers favour too. They already create husks that are essentially former organic life but infused with reaper tech. Merging all organics and synthetics is probably what the reapers wanted because it cuts their harvest time down.

I for one chose to destroy the reapers. Who cares if somewhere down the line synthetics get made and there's conflict. At least it gives life an opportunity to choose for itself rather than be herded and slaughtered like cattle by an ancient race of machines for countless millenia.

In my opinion, this talk of maintaining balance and preserving order sounds like lies to me. The reapers are just coming up with it to convince people what they're doing is right because IF they're using organic life to survive, why would they risk the chance of losing it?

I may be wrong, but that's what I was thinking about.

First comes denial... anger...

...then bargaining...

-Seraph-:
...This just seems to be the whole Squall's Dead nonsense again.

*reads the link*

well, that was interesting ... I'd forgotten just how screwed up FF8 was .... shame the 'but hurt fan' theory makes more sense then the game did -.- still no fucking idea what that game was about ....

OT: sure, why not? there's always the possibility of DLC to make the ending make sense or suck less, they did it with fall out 3 after all

Waaghpowa:

This doesn't make sense to me. If that's the case, why bother "Speeding up" tech development by leaving mass effect technology for races to find?

The catalyst says that organics will inevitably create synthetics and there will inevitably be conflict. If the reapers came in to wipe out advanced organics around the same time they create synthetic life, then I would agree, but that's not the case. Why would they bother speeding up organic development time if it's simply to avoid organic/synthetic conflict? Why not come in around the time synthetic life is created such as when the Quarians were making the Geth.

What I think is likely is something similar to the Matrix, hear me out.

Suppose the earliest advanced race, that had no reapers to worry about, advanced in technology to the point where they created an intelligent machine i.e. the original reapers. There was conflict, they went to war, reapers won. In need of a power source sufficient enough to sustain them, they start harvesting organics like wheat once they've progressed to a certain point of advancement where 1) their theoretical population size is sufficient enough for them to maintain power and 2) Just before they gain the kind of technological power to defeat the reapers. The existence of the reaper on the collector base that essentially runs on human slurry could be evidence of that.

Over time, in order to increase efficiency and consistency in their harvest, they leave their tech on key worlds for advancing races to find and cuts their development time down significantly enough for the reapers to come in and repeat the process.

I think that the catalyst knew this, and wanted you to choose the option of control as a kind of false hope because it's worried. The synthesis option seems to be in the reapers favour too. They already create husks that are essentially former organic life but infused with reaper tech. Merging all organics and synthetics is probably what the reapers wanted because it cuts their harvest time down.

I for one chose to destroy the reapers. Who cares if somewhere down the line synthetics get made and there's conflict. At least it gives life an opportunity to choose for itself rather than be herded and slaughtered like cattle by an ancient race of machines for countless millenia.

In my opinion, this talk of maintaining balance and preserving order sounds like lies to me. The reapers are just coming up with it to convince people what they're doing is right because IF they're using organic life to survive, why would they risk the chance of losing it?

I may be wrong, but that's what I was thinking about.

The Mass Relays help the Reapers get to other places faster.

Destroying them means a boring, and a very timely trek across space, even with the reapers advanced ships it would take AGES.

Also as they said in ME1 The Citadel allows them to learn about all inhabited worlds and find and destroy them faster, and it allows them to kill off the heads of the galaxy throwing everything into chaos.

It is so useful for them.

What's this Shepard waking up ending? I just blew up all the Reapers and all I saw was the usual Joker crash (with Tali even though she should probably be dead with Garrus and Hammer) and then the old man and kid after the credits

Seriously what's with some of my team being on the Normandy? wasn't EVERYONE down on Earth fighting

I'm not going to get my hopes up but I like this theory especially since the option that seems the most GOOD i.e sacrificing yourself by jumping into a huge beam that will bring peace and make things lovely forever, will merge organics and synthetics SOMETHING THE REAPERS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE ENTIRE GAME, you know all those hideous mutants we've been gunning down?
So it makes sense that this is all some last ditch ploy by the reapers to make you conform to their way of thinking

P.S. Half Robot Leaves??!!!

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hulksmashley:
I have a question that I'm going to spoiler, but would really like answered. It's about the "best" ending. Not that I would really be willing call the damn thing best.

It's simple. They just got lazy. I mean in the flashbacks they couldn't even be bothered to put in the ME2 love interests, it's just laziness.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.

I believe Bioware was simply going for the generic messiah sacrifice ending, that so many other games before it had done.

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