Pokemon: Really running out of ideas

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Ever Black and White I feel Nintendo has been running out of ideas for the designs of pokemon. I'll point to two pokemon as examples.

Trubbish: Seriously? A pokemon based on garbage? That's really, really bad imo if Trubbish wasn't a sign of how many ideas they were running out, I don't know what is.

Klefki: A key chain like Pokemon, uhh what?

I know not all pokemon designs have to be based on sometype of animal..but a garbage bag and a key chain as pokemon? Seriously Nintendo you can do better.

This is just my 00.02

Edit: And this is not about every design just a few specific ones that look awkward.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Hawlucha being the best Pokemon ever created.

Ever

Daystar Clarion:

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Hawlucha being the best Pokemon ever created.

Ever

And? Your point?

Berny Marcus:

Daystar Clarion:

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Hawlucha being the best Pokemon ever created.

Ever

And? Your point?

Nobody can be accused of running out of ideas when Hawlucha is around.

Daystar Clarion:

Berny Marcus:

Daystar Clarion:

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Hawlucha being the best Pokemon ever created.

Ever

And? Your point?

Nobody can be accused of running out of ideas when Hawlucha is around.

I meant not for every pokemon, but some looked just completely ridiculous like Trubbish and Klefki. There designs to me look unoriginal, and thrown there for the sake of making new pokemon species.

Edit: But actually yeah, one can if they find Hawlucha unoriginal :I

Berny Marcus:

Daystar Clarion:

Berny Marcus:

And? Your point?

Nobody can be accused of running out of ideas when Hawlucha is around.

I meant not for every pokemon, but some looked just completely ridiculous like Trubbish and Klefki. There designs to me look unoriginal, and thrown there for the sake of making new pokemon species.

I don't think you're listening.

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While I agree that Pokemon like Trubbish are pretty poorly designed, and Stunfisk is probably my least favourite Pokemon ever, Gens V and VI have some great designs.

Pokemon like Haxorus, Zekrom, Pangoro, Greninja and of course Hawlucha (to name but a few) are really awesome designs.

And let's not pretend the early Gens don't have their fair share of stinkers. Voltorb is just a Pokeball with eyes, Oddish is just a blue radish with legs. And what the hell is Unown supposed to be?

Trupish is a play on pollution in america, since Black and White is based off America. That's why I find him acceptable.

I will give you the keychain and add the Chandelier to the list of bad ides. But overall the designs are really good minus two or three pokemon. 6th gen has the coolest fossil pokemon ever, 5th has the coolest dragons, and 4th has... some cool legendaries.

Well in that case, they ran out of ideas on the original 150. Grimer is an animate pile of sludge, and koffing is a floating tumor. Oddish is just a vegtable, so original in fact, they had to make a pumpkin pokemon in the newest generation. In the 7th gen, I fully expect to see a corn pokemon who's dark/grass and named "Stalk" (hehe, get it?)

They aren't exactly running out of idea's, they are just now kind of stretching the suspension of disbelief. We've seen enough haunted appliances/fruits/foxes/lizards/whatever by now that we've become apathetic to them, or at least I have.

But then again I think we can all agree that Hawlucha is the best. In fact, Hawlucha may very well dethrone pikachu as the pokemon mascot. He is THAT awesome. Helioptile comes in at a close 2nd.

Because Pokemon like Diglett, Oddish and Graveller are so inspired? Zubat?

Hell, if I was paid to come up with new Pokemon every generation, I'd be happy to churn out an ice cream cone with a face, too. I'm getting paid to put faces on shit or draw blue turtles with tails. Or a generic dinosaur with some fire on it's tail. Or, you know, a fat-ass duck with a headache. (Almost) all look awkward and pretty uninspired when you think about it. The desiners probably flip through books, the internet, or go walk around outside and think "Hm... what would that look like electric purple with weird arms and a face on it?" then go home, draw it, and get real money for it.

I am all kinds of jealous.

I actually think X and Y have some really good new designs in them.

Hazy992:
While I agree that Pokemon like Trubbish are pretty poorly designed, and Stunfisk is probably my least favourite Pokemon ever, Gens V and VI have some great designs.

Pokemon like Haxorus, Zekrom, Pangoro, Greninja and of course Hawlucha (to name but a few) are really awesome designs.

And let's not pretend the early Gens don't have their fair share of stinkers. Voltorb is just a Pokeball with eyes, Oddish is just a blue radish with legs. And what the hell is Unown supposed to be?

Yeah. Pretty much this. Gen one has some of the lamest ones out there. They don't even pretend not to be animals. Beedrill? Seel? Don't nobody give a fuck about them.

Gen 1 had a Pokemon made of sludge, a Pokemon based on a magnet and what the hell as Jynx supposed to be again?

I'd say Pokemon designs might actually be getting better

Berny Marcus:
Ever Black and White I feel Nintendo has been running out of ideas for the designs of pokemon. I'll point to two pokemon as examples.

Trubbish: Seriously? A pokemon based on garbage? That's really, really bad imo if Trubbish wasn't a sign of how many ideas they were running out, I don't know what is.

Grimer: Liquid waste
Koffing : Gaseous waste
Trubbish : Solid waste

Klefki: A key chain like Pokemon, uhh what?

As opposed to voltorb, the ball pokemon, right?
At least klefki is a fairy that steals people's keys and thus, gets prankster as an ability. Makes sense, quite imaginative. Voltorb is an exploding ball that is somehow soundproof... And they even made him look like a pokeball... Because designing is hard....

Stupid looking pokemon are not a new occurrence. The last 2-3 generations have by far some of the most creative designs despite how ugly some of them are.
Creative =/= Good looking and Garbodor is no more unimaginative than Weezing or Muk...
Those names.... WEEZING AND MUK... So much imagination going on there....

Every generation has had bad pokemon. I'm of the opinion that later generations have had more terrible pokemon. But I think the awesome pokemon in X and Y outweigh the bad ones.

TimeLord:
and what the hell as Jynx supposed to be again?

Some questions are better left unanswered.... >.>

OT: So long as there are "things" left in this world (our world, the real one) that have yet to be given a cute face and reality-bending super powers, they will never run out of Pokémon designs. Complaining about pokemon design at this point seems rather silly considering what has been seen before.

RJ 17:

TimeLord:
and what the hell as Jynx supposed to be again?

Some questions are better left unanswered.... >.>

True. Thank god they haven't given it an evolution yet.

And Smoochum doesn't count.

TimeLord:
Gen 1 had a Pokemon made of sludge, a Pokemon based on a magnet and what the hell as Jynx supposed to be again?

I'd say Pokemon designs might actually be getting better

I don't find it better or worse, I think there's been no artistic evolution of any kind. 50% of all Pokemon are either some sort of fish or rat, to begin with.

(I think Jynx was supposed to be a blackface stereotype. Anyway it looks like one and 'murica certainly treated it like one by having it censored altogether)

I seriously don't get why people complain about this. So a pile of sludge is okay but a garbage bag? Awwwww hell no.

I think the ratio of bad designs to good designs increases with every generation. I prefer the more animal-based Pokemon like Beedrill (actually one of my faves) over naturally-occurring ice cream cones.

The problem is not so much bad designs as PokéInflation. There are just too many for me nowadays. I don't see many designs I like anymore, my most recent favorite being Grovyle, until it evolved. :(

EDIT: But seriously, Vanillish?

Berny Marcus:
Ever Black and White I feel Nintendo has been running out of ideas for the designs of pokemon. I'll point to two pokemon as examples.

Trubbish: Seriously? A pokemon based on garbage? That's really, really bad imo if Trubbish wasn't a sign of how many ideas they were running out, I don't know what is.

Klefki: A key chain like Pokemon, uhh what?

I know not all pokemon designs have to be based on sometype of animal..but a garbage bag and a key chain as pokemon? Seriously Nintendo you can do better.

This is just my 00.02

Edit: And this is not about every design just a few specific ones that look awkward.

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Remember Seel? Literally just a Seal.
Remember Geodude? A Rock with arms.
Remember Charmander? A Salamander with a fiery tail.
How About Ponyta? A Pony that is on fire.

As a fan of Pokemon since its inception, they have had really cheesy basic designs since the beginning.

So in other words, you find two of the last 200+ pokemon un-creative, therefore they are out of ideas.

There have always been "everyday object with face" pokemon. There will be more in future generations. Get over it.

Trubbish is fantastic, I don't know what you're talking about. Garbodor was sorta shitty, but it was cool that he had cigarette butts for fingers.

I haven't played the new one yet, but the few pokemon I've seen look fairly awesome. The master fighter panda dude looks badass as hell.

Honestly X/Y is a huge improvement over Black and White, lest you forget the Ice Cream cones with a face.

Trubbish/Garbodor are great designs...
Do you want your poison types to be beautiful pieces of gothic art, or what?
And stunfisk is great too. It makes sense contextually, however 'ugly' or weak it may be.
People have been saying GF has been running out of ideas since gen 1, and they're not, really.

I'll give you the ice cream pokemon, though...

They started recycling idea on generation 3 already, which is why I stopped after generation 2. 251 were enough.

Yeah you're right. I mean, look at all the creative Gen 1 pokemon!

Yeah no.
Each generation does have the shitty filler yeah, but there's usually a decent bunch that look cool and original. If anything the garbage bag pokemon and the keychains should be praised for making something that seems even feasibly alive from random inanimate objects rather than "let's get a real animal and add a colour/horn/set of wings!

Arboc is a Cobra

But there is now a T-Rex pokemon whom I love.

Yeah. I mean, don't even get me started with Pokemon like Mr. Mime. I mean COME ON! A blasted Mime? Really Gamefreak? Is that all you can do?

Don't even get me started on fucking Bedrill. A 2 year old can come up with that.

Seriously though. It wouldn't surprise me in the least in an alternate universe where generation 5 Pokemon were first gen and vice versa we would all be complaining about how the designs are still shit.

Well, I suppose if we ignore the older generations not-really-creative designs (like Muk, the pile of sludge. Or Squirtle, the blue turtle. Or Seel, the Seal) and we totally ignore all of the good designs of the new generations and act with complete bias against them, yeah, I might be able to see where you're coming from.

However, if we look at it while pretending to be giving it an even remotely fair chance, no.

Every generation has had good and bad designs.

Plus, current-gen has Espurr.

Hating on Klefki? Hating on the adorable little bastard who steals keys and has some of the best flavour of... well any pokémon?

Fun facts: Klefki fiercely jingles it's keys at attackers to scare them off. It has the prankster ability, which espouses the behavior of key theft and also gives the fairy/steel type a useful niche in the competitive game. Sometimes trainers give keys to Klefki for safe keeping. It is one of the most well designed Pokémon ever and shows how the new fairy typing can be useful defensively.

Ok, Klefki rant over. It's all subjective. The designs certainly aren't getting worse as has been pointed out by plenty of people.

Laser Priest:

Plus, current-gen has Espurr.

IT STARES INTO THE ABYSS AND THE ABYSS STARES BACK.

suntt123:

Berny Marcus:
Ever Black and White I feel Nintendo has been running out of ideas for the designs of pokemon. I'll point to two pokemon as examples.

Trubbish: Seriously? A pokemon based on garbage? That's really, really bad imo if Trubbish wasn't a sign of how many ideas they were running out, I don't know what is.

Grimer: Liquid waste
Koffing : Gaseous waste
Trubbish : Solid waste

Klefki: A key chain like Pokemon, uhh what?

As opposed to voltorb, the ball pokemon, right?
At least klefki is a fairy that steals people's keys and thus, gets prankster as an ability. Makes sense, quite imaginative. Voltorb is an exploding ball that is somehow soundproof... And they even made him look like a pokeball... Because designing is hard....

If I remember right it was to trick the player into collecting it, thinking it was a power up or pokeball someone left in a cave for reasons.

Then it explodes in your face, like a D&D Mimic but with explosives instead of teeth.

When people talk about Pokemon running out of ideas, all they can ever point to is the garbage bag Pokemon, the ice cream Pokemon and the keychain Pokemon. To which I would reply "...and?" That's 3 silly designs out of 700, I wouldn't call that running out of ideas. Plus, how is making Pokemon based off inanimate objects worse now than it was twenty years ago? Can you imagine if Voltorb or Eggxecute had been released this gen? A Poke-ball Pokemon and a cluster of eggs? Talk about shark-jumping.

Besides, the generation that gave us garbage bag and ice cream pokemon also gave us badass desert alligator Pokemon, clay golem Pokemon, samurai otter Pokemon and the awesomeness that is whatever Sigilyph is. The generation that bought us keychain Pokemon also bought us living sword Pokemon, luchador eagle Pokemon, ninja frog Pokemon and a friggin T-rex! Pokemon designs aren't getting worse, they're getting better.

TheEvilCheese:

Laser Priest:

Plus, current-gen has Espurr.

IT STARES INTO THE ABYSS AND THE ABYSS STARES BACK.

Espurr is what happens when the ABYSS turns away out of fear.

OT:But yeah bad/uninspired designs are almost as much as a staple of the Pokemon series as Pikachu is. There will always be a handful of boring/lame/stupid designs but we won't care. Because sometimes they can be really good game play wise, like for example Electrode. It was the fastest Pokemon hands down for a while, and it was just a flipped version of Voltorb.

And if they aren't good, well, ignore them for the better designed Pokemon.

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