I want to play a game about a female crimelord or career criminal.

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Are there any such games?

It would satisfy this desire of mine to play as a heroine (or rather anti-heroine) fighting against the existing system and carve out a piece of the city for herself.

Well there are the Saints Row games, but they're pretty ridiculously stupid. So probably not what you're after. Well at least the third and fourth games are. I've heard the first two Saints Row games are a lot more grounded in reality, but I wouldn't know for sure. Besides that, there doesn't seem to be too much going. It's a pretty barren niche you're looking for.

Saints row 2. That is about it I think and it's not exact.

Well in that case I see an opportunity to create such a game.

IMO, the heroine feels that she has cheated by the system and thus turns to a life of crime to succeed in life, no matter how many other people she has trample in order get there.

Pogilrup:
Well in that case I see an opportunity to create such a game.

IMO, the heroine feels that she has cheated by the system and thus turns to a life of crime to succeed in life, no matter how many other people she has trample in order get there.

You could also just have it set in Mexico. I'm pretty certain there has been a few significant women in the cartels. Hell, I once watched one of those cartel execution videos where the beheader was a woman... so there's certainly some real-life influence there.

Well there's Saints Row, which to its credit the main female voice option (Laura Bailey) for Saints Row 3 and 4 is actually damned good. My favourite of the Saints Row voice options even, which is really saying something when other options include Zombie and Nolan North as Nolan North.

But with that said Saints Row isn't exactly gritty crime realism, so if that's what you're after.... Um. Hmmm.... Nope, nothing comes to mind. I can think of a few open world games and rpg games which let you make your own character and which have an 'element' of crime to them, a few mods as well, but a proper game with an established canonical female crime boss protagonist? Nothing comes to mind.

Shadowrun: Dragonfall maybe? You can make a female protagonist and are in charge of a shadowrunner group, which are basically high tech mercenaries/thugs for hire in a cyberpunk world. But again that's an rpg where your character has the option of being female as opposed to an established character.

Huh, I really can't think of anything. I can think of a couple games that have female crime lords in them, but none where you play as said crime lord. Never thought of it before.

Saint's Row 2. You can make a female gang leader/main character. Your voice choices are (my names) "sista", "chica", and "whitebread."

You can do a lot of despicable, or weird, or badass things on the way to the top.

Well, technically GTA 3 is about a female crimelord who fights against the existing system and wants to carve out a piece of the city for herself....but you play as the man she manipulates and betrays in order to get ahead. So....

I think the closest you'll be able to get to your dream game would be the aforementioned Saints Row games and particularly selfish playthroughs of Fallout 3 and New Vegas: the latter would perfect actually, as you can play off the numerous factions against each other and end up crowning yourself Crime Queen of the Wastes!

depressingly no; crime drama is already depressingly hyper-masculine as is, and then when you mix it with the cooties-phobic games industry it only gets worse. Saints Row lets you play as a woman, but I would like to see a game where you play a female crime lord by default. Maybe make the plot a metaphor to show just how irritatingly sexist and exclusive the genre is.

Saints Row, you can play female in shadorun. There were not many female crime lords so dont expect games about them, but to be fair, there are not a lot of games where you play as a crimelord overall

I was really let down by GTA5 in this department. I feel like they missed a golden opportunity to throw something interesting into the mix. The GTA games have been pretty good with diversity in other games but still no women?

Hell yeah, Saints Row! I'd go for Saints Row 2-4 and play them in order.

And as far as the voice goes (at least in SR 2&3), there's only one choice for me:

Pogilrup:
Well in that case I see an opportunity to create such a game.

IMO, the heroine feels that she has cheated by the system and thus turns to a life of crime to succeed in life, no matter how many other people she has trample in order get there.

Are you thinking of a Breaking Bad-esque game centering on a female antihero? Because I would buy the shit out of that.
Someone get on this, I like it. I'd do it myself, but my talents need some developing. There's a reason my first game looks like it could run on the PS1.

Frezzato:
Hell yeah, Saints Row! I'd go for Saints Row 2-4 and play them in order.

And as far as the voice goes (at least in SR 2&3), there's only one choice for me:

That is like the best part of the game because you never expect it and then it just happens randomly well your driving around.

nomotog:

Frezzato:
Hell yeah, Saints Row! I'd go for Saints Row 2-4 and play them in order.

And as far as the voice goes (at least in SR 2&3), there's only one choice for me:

That is like the best part of the game because you never expect it and then it just happens randomly well your driving around.

I think someone at Volition agrees with us because of the unskippable singing moment in SR3 (which is totally worth paying to experience). It's almost as if they wanted to make sure players didn't miss out, which is possible in Saints 2. I think out of the 120+ hours spent playing Saints 2 I heard my character sing maybe 3-4 times.

I kinda wish the CAPTCHA said 'What I got'.

Frezzato:

nomotog:

Frezzato:
Hell yeah, Saints Row! I'd go for Saints Row 2-4 and play them in order.

And as far as the voice goes (at least in SR 2&3), there's only one choice for me:

That is like the best part of the game because you never expect it and then it just happens randomly well your driving around.

I think someone at Volition agrees with us because of the unskippable singing moment in SR3 (which is totally worth paying to experience). It's almost as if they wanted to make sure players didn't miss out, which is possible in Saints 2. I think out of the 120+ hours spent playing Saints 2 I heard my character sing maybe 3-4 times.

I kinda wish the CAPTCHA said 'What I got'.

It really falls flat in SR3 though. It's because they made it part of a mission. It's scripted now. It's no longer a nice surprise, it's a mandated story piece.

Two words

Fallout 2 (and to certain extent New Vegas, and a lesser then that extent would be Fallout 3)

Heck you can be a pornstar too if you want to

You could always join the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim.

Well, there's Pirates: The Legend of Black Kat.
It allows you to conquer towns by destroying their forts.

Other than that, the gameplay pretty much consists of running around islands, digging up burried treasure, defeating enemies (boss fights included) with your swords and bombs and sailing the seas as you battle Hook's fleet.

Shadowrun returns kind of has this. In that you play as a shadowruner, basically a person who does whatever illegal work mega corporations and gang leaders pay for and you usually end up shooting a lot of people in the face. Yeah you tend to be working for some kind of greater good, but it helps that it usually keeps your ass alive at the same time. I'd recomend the standalone version of Dragonfall to be specific.

Not sure where you can find the game anymore, but it's exactly what you're looking for ;)

Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines is pretty underground and crimey.
Be sure to grab the latest unofficial patch though.

People have already made mention of Saints Row 2, and a few other games that allow you to do something similar if you so choose. At the end of the day your not going to see much in the way of "realistic" games with a female criminal lead where you actually go out and do stuff because it's extremely rare. Most criminal organizations and syndicates are extremely sexist, The Mob, The Yakuza, etc... and sometimes a point is made out of this in games and movies involving them. While there have been women achieving high ranks in such organizations it's largely been more of a political and social thing, rather than something they seized for themselves through the kinds of violence and action we're talking about and which would make for a fun game. Your typical "Mafia Princess" generally gets things done by being more of a Mari Hati type who nobody sees coming or takes seriously. Female "bangers" have existed, but as a general rule they tend to be very subservient to men, not in anything like top tier positions. In some respects having a female executioner in a Mexican crime cartel (which someone references) can be seen as an insult to the victim in an environment where Machismo is very much alive.

See, a big part of it is that men and women are not created equal, when it comes to violence and physical abilities men are way ahead. Unlike fantasy skill can only get you so far, and again such advantages rely on the assumption that the guys being fought don't have skills themselves. In reality "hard boys" take their fighting very seriously, work out constantly, and practice fighting. Your not generally going to see real world scenarios where some dude who knows kung-fu whips up on a bunch of thugs because none of the thugs actually know how to fight, today anyone who intentionally sets out to make a lifestyle out of fighting learns how to do it. Gyms and such can be big time hang outs for this kind of dude for that reason.

That isn't to say that a game like this couldn't be made, but it should be noted your going to be going firmly into fantasy territory to begin with, much like Saint's Row, which gets away with it by simply being so ridiculous and over the top with what the character can do that gender just doesn't matter anymore. Saint's Row also uses the unlikely premise of having a central gang which is somehow devoid of all of the racial, cultural, and historical elements that tend to hold such organizations together. When you've got whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.. all working together on the street, even with the original premise of a "militant neighborhood watch organization" that started it all and the only ethnic gangs are bad guys who themselves downplay the race and cultural angles for the most part... your so far outside of real life crime drama and any pretensions of realism it doesn't matter anymore. Sort of like how you had Lucy Liu's character uniting the Tokyo underworld, which she did by being able to (easily) kill anyone who disputed her on ethnic or gender based grounds... it's a fun idea, but not even remotely realistic, as realism is not what the movie was going for, especially at that point... it was all about spectacle.

For the record "Breaking Bad" with a female protagonist already exists it's called "Weeds", and the central premise is very similar. A generally good person goes into the drug trade (in this case Weed instead of Meth) and it snowballs out of control leading to her becoming a "player" in the drug underworld and changing as a result. The style is very different however as fitting a female protagonist, half the point of the show being that this generally doesn't happen, and finding occasionally absurd ways to deal with the associated problems. Basically she doesn't go out and personally start brutalizing people or doing cool stuff that might make a good subject for a video game.

That said I'd be all for another game that went back to the old Saint's Row 2 status quo, being campy and ridiculous without reaching the later levels of absurdity, and still being focused on crime, as opposed to say fighting international syndicates made up of mad scientists and Luchadores, or fighting aliens in a VR sim. That came close and made the female protagonist work within context.

Perhaps more accurately a good idea might be to have the next sandbox "Super Hero" game involve a female lead, and more differences in terms of your morality choices. In something like "infamous" the inclusion of super powers explains why a woman could say subvert the underworld to her control if she went bad. The same could be said of "Prototype" if they used that basic power set and then didn't make the genetic terrors deriving from it being 100% the focus of the entire plot. I never much liked the idea of Prototype plot wise, but the powers in that game were a lot of fun to play with.

Now, some would find it sexist to say that you need to divorce from reality to have a strong, empowered, woman doing this stuff in this context, but that's largely because of how the world is. See, I'm sure out there have been some nasty female criminals, I mean heck Bonnie and Clyde are famous. The thing is though that they stick out as being exceptional because they were women, it's not normal. Tossing another one out there doesn't work because if this other character existed those other ones wouldn't have stood out, what's more if it was normal the current status quos within gangs and such wouldn't exist. Plus as I pointed out, there are usually exceptional circumstances. Sort of like using Annie Bonney as a justification for female pirates, when really she became famous because she was on the arm of a dude who was the actual captain doing the piracy stuff and holding everything together. No crew ever followed her. She's famous now for being a woman, but technically she's more an accessory to the legend of Calico Jack. When it comes to Bonnie and Clyde, Clyde was the guy who did most of the infamous stuff, like winning a shootout with the police when cornered in a motel because they all had pistols and he had a BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) which was an unprecedented amount of firepower for the day and caught them entirely by surprise.

zen5887:
I was really let down by GTA5 in this department. I feel like they missed a golden opportunity to throw something interesting into the mix. The GTA games have been pretty good with diversity in other games but still no women?

None of the female characters of GTA V had reasons or motives to get into organized crime. Molly is just helping Devin Weston screw over people legally and has no goals of her own, Tanisha broke up with Franklin because she wants to get out of the hood and doesn't want to be associated with a criminal. Amanda already has large amounts of money through Micheal's bank robberies and her daughter Tracy just wants to be a TV-star. Paige is only in it for the money, and Taliana is just a mix of money and she owes the MC for saving her life. Even if one of these characters were part of a gang like the Ballas, or Grove Street, it would be all for nothing. Most of the game is spent trying to convince the player that a private military contractor like Not-Blackwater is somehow way more evil than street gangs. The street gangs of Today aren't as powerful as they were back in San Andreas, most likely because there's no corrupt cop empowering them with weapons, money and drugs.

The reason I'm interest in a game with this kind of story is because of all the talk about patriarchy and such by certain people over the recent years.

Is there even a game with a shoddy plot about a woman who hits the glass ceiling multiple times in her career and after her latest missed opportunity she decides to go postal on her boss and management?

Pogilrup:
The reason I'm interest in a game with this kind of story is because of all the talk about patriarchy and such by certain people over the recent years.

Is there even a game with a shoddy plot about a woman who hits the glass ceiling multiple times in her career and after her latest missed opportunity she decides to go postal on her boss and management?

People don't go nuts from this. People go nuts from shitty jobs and getting the short end of the stick.
If people went nuts from not being in top management the society would already cease to exist.

Pogilrup:
Are there any such games?

It would satisfy this desire of mine to play as a heroine (or rather anti-heroine) fighting against the existing system and carve out a piece of the city for herself.

A thief class in Dragon Age Origins would let you do a little of it.

The suggestion above from another poster regarding the thief guild line in Skyrim is a good one too.
Actually, I think the thief guild quest line was one of the better guild quests in the game.

That's all that comes to mind at the moment.

slo:

Pogilrup:
The reason I'm interest in a game with this kind of story is because of all the talk about patriarchy and such by certain people over the recent years.

Is there even a game with a shoddy plot about a woman who hits the glass ceiling multiple times in her career and after her latest missed opportunity she decides to go postal on her boss and management?

People don't go nuts from this. People go nuts from shitty jobs and getting the short end of the stick.
If people went nuts from not being in top management the society would already cease to exist.

Shame then.

I really want to see more stories about a woman taking revenge on a world that has cheated her out of... everything. Even if it is borderline satire.

Pogilrup:
I really want to see more stories about a woman taking revenge on a world that has cheated her out of... everything. Even if it is borderline satire.

You could play Evil Genius. There are three supervillians to choose from, one of which is female. Unfortunately they only differ by a few stats rather than having unique stories. But you can kidnap and torture people, build a doomsday device, create hideous monsters and (gasp) play as a woman.

EDIT
I totally forgot about the Starcraft 2 expansion Heart of the Swarm. It actually has a real story with a female protagonist building up a massive army of monstrous creatures called Zerg and invading human worlds. It is also a revenge story, against Arcturus Mengsk, who you were fighting for in the original Starcraft until he abandoned you to the Zerg.

Pogilrup:

I really want to see more stories about a woman taking revenge on a world that has cheated her out of... everything. Even if it is borderline satire.

If that's the case, I'd have to add another point to that Saint's Row 2 recommendation.

In short, the impression I got of The Boss was pretty close to revenge personified, (Kratos of God of War fame still wears that crown, as far as I know) if with a few silly quirks to diminish the horror somewhat.

Can we have a game about Balalaika from Black Lagoon? Please?

I was thinking, if one of the GTAV protagonists had to be female, which one should it be? I don't think it would work for Michael because his entire character can be summed up with "mid-life crisis", and it could theoretically work for Franklin, but what about Trevor? If you didn't change anything about his personality, actions or mannerisms, just made him female, how good would that be?

As well know, not only are there not enough female protagonists out there, but there aren't enough that break the moulds of 'safe' characterisation. They're all conventionally attractive, very few of them have dark or grey morality, and the ones that are are mostly player-created avatars like the Saints Row boss. If Trevor had been female, and just as ugly, despicable and manic as he is now, it could probably have been one of the most unique female protagonists out there.

It would be a great accomplishment if I could create a "heroine" who praised by "certain" game critics, but horrifies almost everyone else.

We just discovered a gap in the market here, I'd play a game like that. :)

I think the Saints Row 2, 3 and 4 are the best you can do.. their great games and you can make a female criminal character in those games.

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